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* As Scotland voted heavily to remain, could the Scots choose to leave the UK and remain in the EU? Will a UK exit from the EU inflame nationalist sentiment in Scotland? (The Scots decided by a very small majority to remain in the UK not too long ago)

To be added: The Scots decided to stay also because Scottish independence at that time would have had the result of leaving the EU and having to negotiate becoming a member again.

I think the SNP will wait a while (but not very long) to put the next independence referendum on the agenda. A new independence referendum has to be negotiated with Westminster - there is a delaying force after Cameron quit.
Northern Ireland had a passage in the Good friday agreement (if I remember correctly) for a referendum about the status of the province within the UK including a "leave" option. I think this could happen soon.

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Islamophobic is a word used by rational people who point out that nearly 1/4 of the world are not terrorists.

Reality backs them up.

There's nothing rational about a 1/4 of the world's population following a creed which promotes murder.

Islam is like a gun. In the same way in which a gun enables you to commit a crime of passion in an unreasoning rage, Islam provides a handy justification for people to commit a crime of passion in the name of a religion which enables and encourages them to do so.

You'd have to be fucking irrational to deny this as problematic.

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Islamophobic is a word used by rational people who point out that nearly 1/4 of the world are not terrorists.

Reality backs them up.

There's nothing rational about a 1/4 of the world's population following a creed which promotes murder.

Islam is like a gun. In the same way in which a gun enables you to commit a crime of passion in an unreasoning rage, Islam provides a handy justification for people to commit a crime of passion in the name of a religion which enables and encourages them to do so.

You'd have to be fucking irrational to deny this as problematic.

You'd have to be delusional to believe that's what 1/4 of the world thinks.

You certainly wouldn't care about overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

But who needs evidence? You just know.

I think that's called -- delusional.

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Isn't it convenient that the dictator of that third world shithole is the one who decides what is and is not slander?

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You seem to be claiming that a nazi style dictatorship is a democracy.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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It has been pointed out how that surplus is being given to ameirka with their purchase of amerikan military hardware. How many f35's at 300+ million a copy?

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* Is the trend towards resurgent nationalism and anti-immigrant feelings across Europe irreversible? Is the complete fragmentation of the EU into its member States a real possibility now?

Short term outlook: in my opinion no to both. The result of the referendum will boost nationalists all over for sure for a while. The anti-immigrant debate in the UK (contrary to the belief of some) was largely not an anti-muslim debate but an anti-polish/latvian etc blaming legal european immigrant workers coming into the UK (and encouraged to do so about a decade ago ...) for low wages, waiting at NHS and whatever else. What happens to those within the next few years ... we 'll see, as well as what arrangement will be found for the British expats in the EU. It is possible that nothing will change for those both positively as well as negatively depending on what status Britain will achieve (Norway as well as Switzerland could serve as possible examples).

A complete fragmentation: What happens in Britain over the next few years will be watched closely all over Europe. Leaving the EU is unprecedented. Who wins what, who loses what, is still to be seen. In my opinion there is far more loss than gain in all this.
I fear a fragmentation of the UK is far more likely within the near future.

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* Is the trend towards resurgent nationalism and anti-immigrant feelings across Europe irreversible? Is the complete fragmentation of the EU into its member States a real possibility now?

Short term outlook: in my opinion no to both. The result of the referendum will boost nationalists all over for sure for a while. The anti-immigrant debate in the UK (contrary to the belief of some) was largely not an anti-muslim debate but an anti-polish/latvian etc blaming legal european immigrant workers coming into the UK (and encouraged to do so about a decade ago ...) for low wages, waiting at NHS and whatever else. What happens to those within the next few years ... we 'll see, as well as what arrangement will be found for the British expats in the EU. It is possible that nothing will change for those both positively as well as negatively depending on what status Britain will achieve (Norway as well as Switzerland could serve as possible examples).

A complete fragmentation: What happens in Britain over the next few years will be watched closely all over Europe. Leaving the EU is unprecedented. Who wins what, who loses what, is still to be seen. In my opinion there is far more loss than gain in all this.
I fear a fragmentation of the UK is far more likely within the near future.

I hope you are correct in your predictions.

I fear that the Brexit vote will empower the right across Europe, and more dangerously, the forces of hate who seem to be gathering strength across the continent. Nationalism is not a positive or productive energy in Europe, as even a cursory glance at history tells us. My hope is the the level of integration already achieved between the various European States is so deep and fundamental that it will prove impossible to tear apart. The entire world has a huge stake in a peaceful and united Europe, a Europe free from the politics of hate and fear.

Your prediction that the "fragmentation of the UK is far more likely within the near future" is a reasonable one. It is also likely that a Brexit will be result in a sharp drop in living standards as the UK leaves the EU. It is unlikely that this will present an attractive example, an example worth emulating to Europeans who might otherwise be tempted to 'go it alone'.

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* Is the trend towards resurgent nationalism and anti-immigrant feelings across Europe irreversible? Is the complete fragmentation of the EU into its member States a real possibility now?

Short term outlook: in my opinion no to both. The result of the referendum will boost nationalists all over for sure for a while. The anti-immigrant debate in the UK (contrary to the belief of some) was largely not an anti-muslim debate but an anti-polish/latvian etc blaming legal european immigrant workers coming into the UK (and encouraged to do so about a decade ago ...) for low wages, waiting at NHS and whatever else. What happens to those within the next few years ... we 'll see, as well as what arrangement will be found for the British expats in the EU. It is possible that nothing will change for those both positively as well as negatively depending on what status Britain will achieve (Norway as well as Switzerland could serve as possible examples).

A complete fragmentation: What happens in Britain over the next few years will be watched closely all over Europe. Leaving the EU is unprecedented. Who wins what, who loses what, is still to be seen. In my opinion there is far more loss than gain in all this.
I fear a fragmentation of the UK is far more likely within the near future.

I hope you are correct in your predictions.

I fear that the Brexit vote will empower the right across Europe, and more dangerously, the forces of hate who seem to be gathering strength across the continent. Nationalism is not a positive or productive energy in Europe, as even a cursory glance at history tells us. My hope is the the level of integration already achieved between the various European States is so deep and fundamental that it will prove impossible to tear apart. The entire world has a huge stake in a peaceful and united Europe, a Europe free from the politics of hate and fear.

Your prediction that the "fragmentation of the UK is far more likely within the near future" is a reasonable one. It is also likely that a Brexit will be result in a sharp drop in living standards as the UK leaves the EU. It is unlikely that this will present an attractive example, an example worth emulating to Europeans who might otherwise be tempted to 'go it alone'.

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It's likely to hurt economically though. A lot.

But opinion trumps strategy.

I do get the revolt against the establishment. But these need to be carefully chosen.

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It's a great day for FREEDOM for the people of the U.K. Congratulations on a job well done. Independence is the natural order of things, not centralized government.