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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 4:25:26 PM   
Aquanerd1983


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That's all well and good Des, but her jealousy is getting the better of her.
And that's the crux of her problem - jealousy of the other woman in her daddy's life.
And what's worse, she has kept that fact from him so he has no clue that she feels this way.

Even if he is meeting her needs, she can't seem to accept the other sub her daddy has chosen for himself.
That problem won't reslove itself.
It needs to be openly discussed and sorted out by the dominant and I have a feeling she isn't going to like the outcome.
As I pointed out earlier, if she can't keep the green-eyed monster at bay, she may well have to consider leaving him or putting up with something she doesn't like.



Refer to post #87. She has talked with him about this since she first posted.


Surprise development, she's going to his place and he wants me to come over after the club if I can, since his place isn't far from the club. I'm actually excited by the idea. She's isn't sexually attracted to women but I admit I get off on watching him with other girls, so maybe we can finally all play together and rip that bandaid off. Lol

I'm am more of a Masochist than I thought.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 4:28:25 PM   
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what I mean by doomed if she wants only sex and he actually wants a BDSM relationship it's going to be doomed. You're in some sort of subfrenzy and you're not thinking with your head, you are so eager to submit to anyone even if you are married or if the other person is married, doesn't matter you just want to submit and that's deadly in the long run, that's why so many submissive females get hurt or even worse.

Can a sub frenzy last 5 months?

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 4:36:55 PM   
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so agree with you again freedomdwarf.

In all honestly I have no clue if the "daddy" is a real Dominant or just a guy wanting more than one women to feed his sexual appetite but if I was the D I would dump them both. They are both too new, one wants to sleep with married men, the other is married with her own family and wanting a poly BDSM relationship on the side, I couldn't trust either of them but that's just me.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 4:39:51 PM   
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sum frenzy means you are eager to submit to anyone just like that without even discussing, negotiating, talking, getting to know the Dominant to find out if he is even Dominant and from your last post to me it sounds like you all want poly just to fuck people, why you are using BDSM to have multiple sex partners is beyond me, all three of you.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 5:05:30 PM   
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sum frenzy means you are eager to submit to anyone just like that without even discussing, negotiating, talking, getting to know the Dominant to find out if he is even Dominant and from your last post to me it sounds like you all want poly just to fuck people, why you are using BDSM to have multiple sex partners is beyond me, all three of you.

You are so wrong. But that's ok, you don't know me. I've never called myself a sub until I met my Daddy, only played. I don't know her intentions but I do know Daddy is serious and genuine.

Looks like they aren't seeing each other tonight anyway. He had to work overtime. I won't get to see him either.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 5:08:09 PM   
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I really hope you all are wrong. I'm not an impulsive or naive person. I don't jump into commitments lightly. I am being as genuine and heartfelt as I can be towards him. I trust he's not lying to me, he means what he says. He wants me. So I'm going to step back and take a deep breath and enjoy myself tonight

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 7:20:03 PM   
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I trust he's not lying to me, he means what he says.

I'm going to caution you about this. Never trust words, trust actions. He just told you what he needs to keep you from leaving. While he might be telling the truth - you need to watch was he does to see if what he does matches what he says.

You have value, don't let someone use you because you think you love them.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 9:09:37 PM   
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why you are using BDSM to have multiple sex partners is beyond me

Oh that's easy; because it's fun.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/27/2016 9:12:27 PM   
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why you are using BDSM to have multiple sex partners is beyond me

Oh that's easy; because it's fun.

As long as everyone is on board, it's all good.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 5:19:07 AM   
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no one is saying you are, being in sub frenzy (I put an m not a b last night by accident) clouds a person's judgement, sometimes that can lead to trouble, scammers and players use that as an opportunity for the picking.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 5:20:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aquanerd1983

I trust he's not lying to me, he means what he says.

I'm going to caution you about this. Never trust words, trust actions. He just told you what he needs to keep you from leaving. While he might be telling the truth - you need to watch was he does to see if what he does matches what he says.

You have value, don't let someone use you because you think you love them.



again this I love actions speak louder than words

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 5:23:14 AM   
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oh well than that explains a lot. Why not tear a page from the big love characters, guy gets married to 2 or in that case three women, they all have their own house, heck she can bring her husband and kids a long as well. the guys having fun, multiple sex partners every night of the week. they didn't add BDSM into the equation. I'm sure there are a lot of poly people that don't add BDSM to it, wasn't there a reality tv show with a poly family?

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 5:26:22 AM   
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she's jealous of the other one, wonder what the other one thinks about her? Right now because of the jealousy not everyone is on board. If she can't get passed the jealousy it will get worse. What is she exactly jealous about with the other girl?

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 8:08:15 AM   
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I'm a bit late to the game. The OP might not come back. If she does, I have a differing point of view.

Sorry, y'all, but I think the only one who got this one on the money was Des. Not that other people didn't make good points about the OP expressing her feelings, etc. I'm just not getting the same vibe as many of the others.

The OP has a V-type poly relationship, with her being the base, the DADT hubby on one spoke and "Daddy" on the other.

The OP's Daddy has a V-type poly relationship starting, with the OP on one spoke and the "new" sub on the other.

Basically, they have an "N". It's clear in the thread that dadt hubby isn't dating anyone else. It's unclear if the "new" sub is currently dating anybody else at this time besides the OP's Daddy. The "new" sub has dated other married men in the past. I'm not sure if the new sub also dates others in addition to the Dominant, but it's made clear that is at least part of the basis for the OP not liking the new gal. (That smacks of hypocrisy, but I'll get to that in a moment.) Even without that, it's not necessarily a closed N because the OP is playing with others, either in a sexual or non sexual way. Until page five, there was no mention that the OP, Daddy, and the new sub would be playing together, and even then, it sounded more like a watching, rather than all three participating in the scenario.

This is not "O" type poly where the OP, the Daddy, and the new sub are all involved together. The OP is very clear that Daddy is a secondary partner. She admits that her dedication is to her husband and family. Kudos for that. She also says that she encouraged her Daddy to have someone else in her life.

Right up until it actually happened.

Now that it has happened, the OP is seething with jealousy, insecurity, thinks it's "all too fast," and has a dash of hypocrisy thrown in there. The telltale signs? The post about how she says "you can only be MY Daddy," (and I could almost hear the foot stomp that went with it) and deciding she didn't like the other woman for, not much more than what the OP and the Daddy are engaging in themselves. You can't *BE* the married person playing with other people (on the up and up, not cheating) and then turn around and decide a person who is willing to play with married people (on the up and up, not cheating) is the bad guy.

To the OP: These folks on the board were very nice to you. They were compassionate because it was obvious that you were distressed. (OK, except for one poster, but he's a few cards short of a full deck. Just ignore that stuff.) My response to you will be a little different.

While I agree that your feelings are valid, I think some of that has to do with you. What you have decided in your own head isn't well translated to the reality. I'm glad you discussed this with your Daddy, even though he wasn't really responsible for what this became.

You do have a right to know that your Daddy is dating others. While you don't necessarily have the rights to details that do not have anything to do with you, (like what movie they went to see or what restaurant they went to) you shouldn't be kept in the dark that another relationship is forming.

Some of this was petty. I'm sorry. Just was. It also demonstrated some things on your part that weren't wonderful. There are some things I'll give you.

You absolutely do have a right to have knowledge about the sexual health practices of your partners. I applaud you for not wanting to bring home the 'gift that keeps on giving'. That's a reasonable concern. It's important in poly to take that seriously.

You did come forward in your concern and you addressed this thread HONESTLY. That is always commendable.

Some things you don't get:

This thread has been very uneven. There have been a few things in it that have been covered that people think your Daddy should do, but you aren't willing to give. If your Daddy's relationship with this new person is independent from you, it is only fair that you treat it in the same way that your Daddy treats your relationship with your husband. Unless you, your Daddy, and your husband are all sitting down together to discuss relationship details, you're not really in the position to ask for that with yourself, your Daddy, and the new sub.

Unless your Daddy and yourself have discussed you having veto power about your Daddy's relationships that are independent from you, please don't assume that you have it. Bottom line, you are not dating her, and from what I can tell, you are not dating them together. You liking her is not a requirement and is not consequential. From what I've seen, you are not a triad, and basically, you want the rights of a primary partner, even though you already have a primary partner of your own.

There's some introspection lacking in this thread on your part. This silly stuff about a paddle (not an insert able) toy (the paddle) being used, etc. When you went out and played last night, did you ask the top if all of the toys were being solely used on you? Are you sure that none of them were a gift from someone else? If you didn't, you are placing unrealistic expectations on other people. Ones that you aren't willing to abide by, yourself.

In my opinion, I think you should do some introspection. Do the things in your V poly (you, your husband, and your Daddy) match up with what you think you are entitled to from your Daddy's V (your Daddy, you, and the new girl)? Are they equal? If not, why not? If your own insecurity has an influence in your answers, that might be a place to start.





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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 8:47:16 AM   
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good observations LP, I observed some of the things you observed as well. The Jealousy and the hypocrisy are the main ones that stand out. When she posted at one point about him being her daddy and nobody else, but the other one can be the submissive.

I encouraged her to talk to him because she had it in her head that she wasn't allowed to express her feelings about the whole situation because she's supposed to be the primary submissive and that's it and does not have the right to speak her mind about the situation.

One question I have since the beginning of this post, did she and her husband even talk about ground rules while she was seeking out other partners that pertain to BDSM? maybe he doesn't want her to have sex with another man, only scene with him.

also who said he's telling her the truth, the three of them haven't met up for coffee to talk about the relationship and if I was the husband I would want to meet up for coffee with his wife and the man she wants a D/s relationship from.

and to try to clarify so the OP knows what I mean I'll give an example of one that I know personally.

when we had a club here, there was a couple that came in, Male Dominant, female submissive. He was married to a vanilla female and had no interest in BDSM but said if he wanted to explore it then he could. However before he found a submissive, he and his wife, laid down the ground rules, no sex involved and whatever else they agreed upon. She even came down to the club one night and watched their session together. Than my owner, myself, the wife, the Dominant and submissive went to the lounge to contact and even though I was in subspace that night I still remember the BDSM conversation we had. In that circumstance everyone was above board and played by the rules that the wife and Dominant husband agreed upon.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 9:17:29 AM   
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she's jealous of the other one, wonder what the other one thinks about her?
From my experience - she's thinking that she'll be rid of that pesky little first submissive in just a little bit.

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Right now because of the jealousy not everyone is on board.
The OP was never really on board. She did this because her marriage prevents her from being available to the Dominant whenever he wants. So, he used that as a guilt trip, she compromised and now she's unhappy.

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What is she exactly jealous about with the other girl?
It's difficult to not be jealous when everything isn't transparent and the initial relationship is insecure. The initial relationship is insecure because she compromised and agreed to something she didn't want to keep her relationship.


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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 9:28:14 AM   
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The post about how she says "you can only be MY Daddy," (and I could almost hear the foot stomp that went with it)



To be honest: M and I had that rule in place. We each had our own term for him and it was done that way so that each felt like we had something special to ourselves. The difference being that I'm married to M, was on board from the beginning, involved with the second and had veto power (learned that one the hard way).

I'll agree with a lot of what you're saying and I'll also agree that we were being nice.

We've all seen this situation a million times and we know how it typically plays out. Dom guilt trips the sub into Poly, sub is afraid to speak their mind and defends the Dom, Dom strings the sub along, second sub is spending more time with Dom and talking about first sub, then one day jealousy/frustration/resentment explodes and sub has a screaming/crying fit, Dom drops first sub and second sub gloats - not realizing that it's all going to happen to her too.


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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 9:31:42 AM   
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oh my I wasn't even thinking about she's thinking about that she'll be rid of the pesky little submissive, that's a good eye OsideGirl.

Now the question in my head is if she's not really on board with the arrangement then why do it to begin with? She's married, why not be happy with that? If she's not happy with that then maybe she should end the marriage? Or maybe does she want the best of both worlds? to be married and have a family with the freedom of exploring kinky sex with other men so she can spanked by a paddle.

I mentioned to her in one post maybe the "Dominant" would like to be involved with an actual submissive that isn't already attached especially if they are carrying baggage.

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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 10:02:02 AM   
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To be honest: M and I had that rule in place. We each had our own term for him and it was done that way so that each felt like we had something special to ourselves. The difference being that I'm married to M, was on board from the beginning, involved with the second and had veto power (learned that one the hard way).

To be frank, I'm the same way. I don't ever call anybody my 'second husband'. Anybody 'additional' in my life isn't that.

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I'll agree with a lot of what you're saying and I'll also agree that we were being nice.

I'll have to come up with a term for this. "Empathy for the first person posting"? Automatic allegiance? "She feels bad."

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We've all seen this situation a million times and we know how it typically plays out. Dom guilt trips the sub into Poly, sub is afraid to speak their mind and defends the Dom, Dom strings the sub along, second sub is spending more time with Dom and talking about first sub, then one day jealousy/frustration/resentment explodes and sub has a screaming/crying fit, Dom drops first sub and second sub gloats - not realizing that it's all going to happen to her too.


That's the problem. I don't see the guilt trip here, anywhere.

She KNOWS this isn't the primary relationship!


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RE: He took on a second sub and I'm miserable - 8/28/2016 10:13:56 AM   
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she's jealous of the other one, wonder what the other one thinks about her? Right now because of the jealousy not everyone is on board. If she can't get passed the jealousy it will get worse. What is she exactly jealous about with the other girl?


They moved faster than Daddy and I did, they can spend the night with each other, she's single and can offer him more of her attention.

Other than those things, I think I'm better to be honest. But I hate thinking that way. I'm not a vain person

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