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Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 12:30:45 AM   
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It's a shame I had to post this here since, in my mind, it clearly would fall into a different category.

I lost four friends on 11 SEP 2001; two were lost at the Pentagon and two (they were brothers and PAPD officers) were lost in the towers, attempting to save lives.

I saw the devastation, first hand on 12 SEP as part of the search and rescue effort. I smelled the burnt flesh. I saw the city (and eventually the country) come together in tragedy.

In a way, the aftermath was a testament to all the things that make this country great; empathy, togetherness, grit, and determination.

The day is not an easy one for me for obvious reasons. I was unable to watch the History Channel because of all the retrospectives that contained video that was far too painful. The History Channel is one of my go-to choices (Discovery, Science, Animal Planet, etc.).

Well, this year 11 SEP fell on a Sunday so, normally, I'd either fire up the Sunday Ticket or I'd head to a local watering hole to watch my team, which isn't available as a home team, here. Normally I'd do that. Not this year.

As a result of the behavior of Colin Kaepernik and the NFL, what I would normally do is not a viable option.

Kaepernik, that entitled, little pussy has decided that since his career is circling the bowl, he needs to make a name in some other way.

Please notice that I linked two things. I absolutely believe that Colin Kaepernik has a constitutional right to protest and speak his mind. Part of my issue is the lack of response from the NFL.

While the first amendment ensures that the arrogant cry-baby can express himself in almost any way he likes and be protected from government action, nothing says that his employer cannot take some kind of action. I'm reminded of all the sponsors that left the Rush Limbaugh Show, when he used a slur to describe that liar from Georgetown University. Also, Whoopie Goldberg lost her gig with Weight Watchers when video of her being vulgar involving the last name of a sitting president surfaced.

I supported both of those incidents citing that nothing in the constitution guarantees anyone a job. In fact, the only guarantee of continued employment is making and keeping one's boss happy.

So, I was a little pissed off at Kaepernik, but I am really enraged by the feckless response of the NFL. Remember, this is a company that was charging the U.S. Military (that's pronounced: "we taxpayers" for those of you in Poughkeepsie) to "honor" veterans on Sundays. That was bad enough, but when they allowed this coward to disrespect the very symbol of what allows him to be an arrogant asshole, they lost my support and I cancelled my subscription to their Sunday Ticket.

Why do I call Kaepernik a coward? Well, if he was really interested in "demonstrating", he should have done something really over the top. How about flipping the bird at the camera? How about dropping his pants and showing his ass, literally (since that's what he's doing, figuratively)? Nope this pussy sat and took a knee. Wow! He's a fuckin' hero.

Just for some balance, I was completely on board with what the Seachickens did ... sort of. Their show of unity and protest while not disrespecting the flag or the anthem (especially on the anniversary of the worst attack on our soil by a foreign entity since Pearl Harbor) was - I thought - well played.

The NFL needs to realize that a portion of their core fans are deeply patriotic and this might wind up costing them some cash. It's certainly cost them my $320 (and a few of my friends have told me they're doing the same).



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 1:07:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, I forget what channel but on it was an interview of Jim Brown. A man who has never shied from speaking his mind.

When asked if he would ever have taken that approach, he said no and followed up with a few lines about how America was his country and he chooses it over all others to live in and that the work to be done is on the number one issue in this country, young black men (18-23) killing young black men. (18-23) and he's right. (ages I added from an FBI report on Chicago)

So the question becomes, where are the athletes addressing that problem ? And on the whole...they are not. Supposedly some are now finally investing in the local city communities to give that culture a different direction.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 3:39:34 AM   
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Sorry about your loss Michael. This should impel you to get the government to stop making enemies. If not for us, those people would not even know what a fucking airplane is. \

So you had your day of drinking at home or not drinking and did not support the local bar, which allows them to pay the cable bill which supports the NFL which supports Kaepernik. Good.

While that fucker was completely in his rights, first of all he is fucking stupid because he probably just flushed his career down the toilet. Second of all, US intellectual property rights are a big part of what makes it possible for an asshole like that to make so much money. I won't stand for the anthem, nor will I recite the pledge of allegience, but I also do not take from them. At least not much. Not millions. If the enforcement of law made me millions of dollars I would shout the pledge and stand every time the President came on fucking TV. But they won't give it to me because I can't play a stupid game. I owe them nothing. I am loyal to the country, but not the government.

And I am sick of people bitching about the salaries of CEOs who risked their entire future to start a business, worked 14 hours a day and lived on Ramen noodles for ten years to build it to the point where they are getting their payback finally, while not saying a word about the money they gave that ungrateful piece of shit, or any other sports players whose only hope in life when they can't play anymore is to open up a car dealership. And they say nothing about politicians either. Well they do around election time like now but when the dust settles, if Clinton loses she will still collect millions every time she steps up to a podium and coughs.. This is how they bribe Presidents because it would just be too blatant to pay them off while in office. Nobody said a goddamn word about those speaking fees until around election time.

Meantime, the people who actually do useful work are getting fucked in the ass like never before. Paid less and less and less while the entitled are paid more and more and more. And I don't begrudge the ones who earned it, but so many simply inherited the money and maybe the company as well.

I got sick of professional sports many years ago and can't even tell you which teams are which, nor did I ever hear of this ungrateful duck until this incident. Same way with movie stars and musicians. Actually they are starting to make less money because of the digital age and internet downloading.

You know where those movies on piratebay come from ? There is only one way those people can get a movie when it is still in theaters and maybe even before. Someone who works there. From what I have gathered from a few people I have known, only a few people, and the big stars of course, make any big money. The people who maintain those $10 million pieces of equipment they need get paid shit wages. And actually most business in this country is getting that way.

The reason is supply and demand. Too many people for the jobs available, of course that depresses labor prices. I got a skill, so I can make demands, if not for that who knows.

But these athletes who know nothing, fukum. I wouldn't take tickets to a game for free. In fact even if they paid me. What's more, the price gouging. When I was young you could go to a baseball game on less than ten bucks. Now parking costs that. One beer costs that. Tickets ? they had to make special laws against "scalping" because the prices got so high. And the people eat it up. Thousands of dollars for certain ticket, and more for playoff games. And the superbowl ?

Same with concerts. For twenty bucks you could get a ticket and enough beer and drugs of your choice. Now, how much does it cost to go to a Barbara Streisand concert ?

We live in a society where you get paid more to play than to work. While I don't deny alot of those people are quite talented, it is getting out of hand. But when normal people go to work, their pay is based on the value they can create or add to a product. I work for alot cheaper now because the product will not support as much as it did ten years ago.

Well, eventually the same will happen to the NFL and the baseball leagues and whatever because people who DO work are simply going to be fucked up the ass so bad they will not have the money. You think they'll lower the price of the tickets ? Or will they pay those outrageous salaries to players to play in front of like 100 people in a stadium that could hold 30,000 ?

But, remember the crash of 2008 ? Even the carmakers had their hand out for a bailout. Look at the notable exceptions. Toyota and Honda come to mind, but also the entertainment industry. You think people who would sue Grandparents and scare the shit out of them with threats of jail time because their grandkids downloaded some music would be too proud to ask for a handout ? Bullshit, their business practices indicate that they are in it for every last dime they can get no matter what the source.

That football player nobody likes anymore works for people with no scruples anyway but people overlook that and support them in the style to which they have become accustomed.

All the money that gets wasted on this shit would go a long way in doing some good. Improving the infrastructure, better education (though money doesn't always work on that I guess open up some private schools). Open a business making products, that is after you teach the kids how to read a ruler. I knew how to read a micrometer at about ten.

But they won't. I will not support them at all. I do not even have a TV, well technically I do but no cable or convertor box so it doesn't work because the government, under a REPUBLICAN President decided we all need high definition. Do you call that conservative ?

The government supports these punks, so they owe taxes. I don't owe them shit, I earn every dollar I get d they do nothing to help me collect it either.

Enough rant, I am probably well into TLDR territory.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 6:44:43 AM   
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We stand for those who have fallen, who stand on that proverbial wall.

The Star Spangled Banner was written as a tribute to the men of Fort McHenry who kept the flag flying while the Royal Navy pounded that fort with cannon and rocket fire.

Yeah, there are problems in this country, but to disrespect the men and women who have died for it is just fucking wrong.

Yes, they have the right to protest, but, there are proper times and places for those protests.

Take their pansy asses out of football gear and put them in a uniform that matters and then, put their asses in the hottest, dirtiest, most dangerous duty assignment presently available for as long as it takes for them to learn what sacrifices were made for their fucking rights.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 6:51:34 AM   
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Since I did not watch the games (or any of the coverage, really), I missed something else upon which to comment.

There were two (I think) players who raised their fists in that famous Black Panthers salute after the anthem was over (kind of like the umpire yelling: "Play Ball!" at a baseball game). Other than the fact that the Black Panthers is an organization of scumbags, I was okay with the players "protesting" in this way ... after the anthem was over.



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 6:52:22 AM   
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It's a shame I had to post this here since, in my mind, it clearly would fall into a different category.


What, there's not a category called "Lunatics Asylum" on this site? I'll have to speak to the moderators about that.


quote:

Please notice that I linked two things.

Michael



Yes, you managed to link Colin Kaepernick, who was 13 yrs. old at the time, to the events of 9/11.

I'm not sure that the friends you lost from that episode would be too happy about your invoking their memory in pulling that one out of your ass.


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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 7:25:10 AM   
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From now on, I am going to remain seated when they sing "Happy Birthday" at birthday parties, in protest of birthday cake.

I always requested Cherry Pie (nota bene the reverential caps) for my birthday as a kid, and much to her credit, my mom actually baked it herself and never called me a commie or terrorist for requesting it.

But I feel strongly that I should 'raise awareness' that Pie is much better than cake, especially for birthday events.

"Make Dessert Great Again!"



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 7:40:04 AM   
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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 7:45:40 AM   
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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 7:57:12 AM   
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Kaepernick can in fact be punished by the NFL for his actions. Consequently he is NOT protected by the Constitution.

The NFL could suspend him, i think. Give a thought to the overwhelming number of black players in the league. Can you imagine their reaction to such a penalty? The NFL would be rubbing salt into the grievances felt by many in the black communities over the shootings that have taken place.

The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus. I see no circumstance in the last 70 years where this country was in existential jeopardy. According to reports in the media all of that patriotism before NFL games was purchased by the DOD. It is all about propaganda and manufacturing our consent to enable the ever growing DOD budget. It is a manufactured patriotism.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:06:40 AM   
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Veterans are killing themselves at a rate of 22+ a day. Your standing up for a flag ain't helping.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:28:58 AM   
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I disagree with Michael and everyone else who has agreed with his comments.

Kaepernick can in fact be punished by the NFL for his actions. Consequently he is NOT protected by the Constitution.

The NFL could suspend him, i think. Give a thought to the overwhelming number of black players in the league. Can you imagine their reaction to such a penalty? The NFL would be rubbing salt into the grievances felt by many in the black communities over the shootings that have taken place.

The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus. I see no circumstance in the last 70 years where this country was in existential jeopardy. According to reports in the media all of that patriotism before NFL games was purchased by the DOD. It is all about propaganda and manufacturing our consent to enable the ever growing DOD budget. It is a manufactured patriotism.

Kaepernick had lost his starting position. He is getting paid too much to keep as a backup. This is a ploy, cynical ploy to take advantage of the knee-jerk reaction you are talking about to allow him to continue to be a 1%er,

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:36:03 AM   
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I disagree with Michael and everyone else who has agreed with his comments.

Kaepernick can in fact be punished by the NFL for his actions. Consequently he is NOT protected by the Constitution.

The NFL could suspend him, i think. Give a thought to the overwhelming number of black players in the league. Can you imagine their reaction to such a penalty? The NFL would be rubbing salt into the grievances felt by many in the black communities over the shootings that have taken place.

The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus. I see no circumstance in the last 70 years where this country was in existential jeopardy. According to reports in the media all of that patriotism before NFL games was purchased by the DOD. It is all about propaganda and manufacturing our consent to enable the ever growing DOD budget. It is a manufactured patriotism.

The NFL threatened to punish the Cowboys because they were going to wear a sticker to honor the police killed in the black racist attack in Dallas. And this was going to be in a preseason game. Why ? Because they were making a "political" statement. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:36:45 AM   
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The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus.

Not to mention that his right to protest in his chosen manner is one of those rights that the soldiers were supposed to have fought and died to protect.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:41:17 AM   
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How many veterans actually are on the side of these protests?? Many

On the side of them? Or supporting their right to protest because wasn't that part of the reason we served? To protect rights that are often expressed in ways I...and other vets...disagree with? Kaeperdick has every right to protest and I have every right not to watch. I hate it because I love college FB, I love my Broncos and Vikings.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:42:45 AM   
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The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus.

Not to mention that his right to protest in his chosen manner is one of those rights that the soldiers were supposed to have fought and died to protect.

He has the right to o it, that doesn't mean he is right to do it.
I still think it is a ploy to protect his 16 million a year, not out of his concern for the alleged "bodies stacking up in the streets".

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:44:27 AM   
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Take their pansy asses out of football gear and put them in a uniform that matters and then, put their asses in the hottest, dirtiest, most dangerous duty assignment presently available for as long as it takes for them to learn what sacrifices were made for their fucking rights.

And that attitude is one of the things wrong with the US. They honoured the vets by exercising their rights.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:45:47 AM   
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I still think it is a ploy to protect his 16 million a year, not out of his concern for the alleged "bodies stacking up in the streets".

Could be, but I don't see how.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:47:54 AM   
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I am going to tell all you cowards on this thread, simply to stand up for a flag to 'show support for our troops' ain't much support.

Veterans are killing themselves at a rate of 22+ a day. Your standing up for a flag ain't helping.

Good point. It does seem hypocritical we bitch about standing or not for the Anthem but allow veterans to live homeless in the streets and evidently we do not provide the psychiatric care they need.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:48:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why are they playing the Natl Anthem at a sporting event in the first place? Sports are merely a form of entertainment, and enforced patriotism belongs in an entertainment venue even less than it does in the classroom. What next, standing for the Anthem at a Taylor Swift concert? This is just what you'd expect from a rightie, to complain when Bruce Springsteen tries to bring up politics at a rock concert, but gets all enflamed when his brand of politics gets challenged at a sporting event. Do your flag worship in private where it belongs, and let me enjoy the game without having to feel like I'm a commie if I don't want to be required to stand for the flag when I'm just trying to have a good time.

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