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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 4:26:06 AM

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seems like tear gas would have done the job in a situation like las vegas, and maybe blinding lights as well.

speaking of lights then---I wonder about lasers being able to be used to target the shooter's weapons.

thinking more---if something like las vegas happens again, there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 6:53:34 AM

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greta, no, logic isnt your strong suit...
you are getting desperate. and its showing.

If lowlife little alt left howler trolls didn't have their mindless personal attacks, they wouldn't have any form of "debate" at all

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 8:00:18 AM

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says the mad troller.
Hey how come the only post you've made in this thread has been to troll me?
Nothing to debate???
oh right...you dont you just make dumb posts about a muslim attack in london..
cant face talking about your own terrorists?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 8:09:24 AM

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seems like tear gas would have done the job in a situation like las vegas, and maybe blinding lights as well.

speaking of lights then---I wonder about lasers being able to be used to target the shooter's weapons.

thinking more---if something like las vegas happens again, there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Instead of guns to protect against guns... why not just get ride of the guns that can do this type of mass killing. What are we coming to when people want lasers and counter snipers to protect us at recreational events.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 8:34:12 AM

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Really, is this the answer, and Americans are OK with it - armed security guards surrounding gigs, schools, kindergartens ... anywhere where people gather?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 8:40:41 AM

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Really, is this the answer, and Americans are OK with it - armed security guards surrounding gigs, schools, kindergartens ... anywhere where people gather?

No it is not an answer, and I am not ok with it.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 8:45:04 AM

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Really, is this the answer, and Americans are OK with it - armed security guards surrounding gigs, schools, kindergartens ... anywhere where people gather?

They aren't doing the same thing in Britain after the concert bombings there?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 8:56:00 AM

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there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Now that's a brilliant idea, let's turn every gathering into a fire fight!

smh

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 10:35:40 AM

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Really, is this the answer, and Americans are OK with it - armed security guards surrounding gigs, schools, kindergartens ... anywhere where people gather?

They aren't doing the same thing in Britain after the concert bombings there?

No - some increased security, but it's mostly about intelligence-gathering.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 11:37:01 AM

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seems like tear gas would have done the job in a situation like las vegas, and maybe blinding lights as well.

speaking of lights then---I wonder about lasers being able to be used to target the shooter's weapons.

thinking more---if something like las vegas happens again, there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Instead of guns to protect against guns... why not just get ride of the guns that can do this type of mass killing. What are we coming to when people want lasers and counter snipers to protect us at recreational events.

Butch

Opioids are killing a lot more people then guns.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 11:46:39 AM

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Really, is this the answer, and Americans are OK with it - armed security guards surrounding gigs, schools, kindergartens ... anywhere where people gather?

I went to this place, I think it was called CineWorld..a multi-screen movie house in Glascow near Citizen M .. and was very surprised when I entered the lobby to see two guys in uniforms with gear and holding weapons standing next to the wall facing the entrance doors. I am not well-versed on the weapons topic and don’t know the differences but these were not long rifles or hand guns..something in between..maybe M-16s? I don’t know if those guys in uniform were military or regular police force, there as usual or there because of an unusual circumstance or special need at that time. They really did stand out against the brightness of the Despicable Me 3 poster just behind them.

I did not feel safer because they were there but neither did I feel less safe. In fact, I don’t recall thinking about safety at all. I was just surprised but as I write this I suppose my ultimate feeling on it is, no, I don’t want that to be the normal in the US.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 12:18:35 PM

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I wonder if we are ever going to get a toxocology report.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 12:35:05 PM

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seems like tear gas would have done the job in a situation like las vegas, and maybe blinding lights as well.

speaking of lights then---I wonder about lasers being able to be used to target the shooter's weapons.

thinking more---if something like las vegas happens again, there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Instead of guns to protect against guns... why not just get ride of the guns that can do this type of mass killing. What are we coming to when people want lasers and counter snipers to protect us at recreational events.

Butch

yeah, good luck with that.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 12:43:04 PM

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there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Now that's a brilliant idea, let's turn every gathering into a fire fight!

smh

um, over-watch snipers are already parts of organized athletics, civic events (like concerts) and governmental activities.

sooooooo...

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 12:52:10 PM

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yeah, good luck with that.

Well, slavery was once legal and widespread in the USA - you folks have done radical change before ....

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 1:21:02 PM

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seems like tear gas would have done the job in a situation like las vegas, and maybe blinding lights as well.

speaking of lights then---I wonder about lasers being able to be used to target the shooter's weapons.

thinking more---if something like las vegas happens again, there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Tear gas could work if SWAT was close enough. I have less faith in blinding lights, since a sniper has one eye in the scope, and the other usually closed, right?

The problem with counter snipers is positioning. I don't believe a sniper could have been placed anywhere to counter Paddock. But here's the scene, if you see somewhere.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 1:25:57 PM

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Really, is this the answer, and Americans are OK with it - armed security guards surrounding gigs, schools, kindergartens ... anywhere where people gather?

I went to this place, I think it was called CineWorld..a multi-screen movie house in Glascow near Citizen M .. and was very surprised when I entered the lobby to see two guys in uniforms with gear and holding weapons standing next to the wall facing the entrance doors. I am not well-versed on the weapons topic and don’t know the differences but these were not long rifles or hand guns..something in between..maybe M-16s? I don’t know if those guys in uniform were military or regular police force, there as usual or there because of an unusual circumstance or special need at that time. They really did stand out against the brightness of the Despicable Me 3 poster just behind them.

I did not feel safer because they were there but neither did I feel less safe. In fact, I don’t recall thinking about safety at all. I was just surprised but as I write this I suppose my ultimate feeling on it is, no, I don’t want that to be the normal in the US.

Most likely sub machine guns. High rate of fire , easily deployable, and in pistol
calibers so it reduces the penetration. Important in a crowded area.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 1:26:55 PM

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there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Now that's a brilliant idea, let's turn every gathering into a fire fight!

smh

um, over-watch snipers are already parts of organized athletics, civic events (like concerts) and governmental activities.

sooooooo...

Really? Where?

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 1:30:38 PM

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there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Now that's a brilliant idea, let's turn every gathering into a fire fight!

smh

um, over-watch snipers are already parts of organized athletics, civic events (like concerts) and governmental activities.

sooooooo...

Really? Where?

If you coud see then they wouldn't be effective.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/9/2017 1:38:37 PM

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there might be movement towards having counter snipers present at large open air events.

Now that's a brilliant idea, let's turn every gathering into a fire fight!

smh

um, over-watch snipers are already parts of organized athletics, civic events (like concerts) and governmental activities.

sooooooo...

Really? Where?

If you coud see then they wouldn't be effective.

So you're saying that there's absolutely no actual facts to back the statement up, we're just supposed to take people's word on that? Sorry, that's not how it's done.
The claim was made there should be some citation for it. I doubt that your average event requires Special Operations Security or anything else that might need to remain classified. I would like to have the information.

I've never seen anything like that at a concert or any other venue that wasn't political, and in terms of it being more effective I would think that it would be a deterrent having people know.

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