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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/17/2017 3:38:55 PM   
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I suppose so, that's the spirit, ever positive. So, change your picture, sunglasses, black, scowl and when you write them don't pretend they owe you something, just be confident and anything you are not confident in doing or saying avoid at all costs. Have something credible to offer on your side of this equation even if it is only a confident male who is somebody she wants in her hair. and elsewhere, and scowls a little.

Next lesson down the line should you ever be ready. Capturing her mind - the power of your words.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/17/2017 4:04:23 PM   
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I suppose so, that's the spirit, ever positive. So, change your picture, sunglasses, black, scowl and when you write them don't pretend they owe you something, just be confident and anything you are not confident in doing or saying avoid at all costs. Have something credible to offer on your side of this equation even if it is only a confident male who is somebody she wants in her hair. and elsewhere, and scowls a little.

Next lesson down the line should you ever be ready. Capturing her mind - the power of your words.

Hopefully soon. I'm a fast learner. Girls are already responding. Your advice was right on the money.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/17/2017 5:25:35 PM   
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I just realized that most girls get so much mail they don't remember you unless they actually reply to you. Gives me more than one chance.


But they'll see that you've made several attempts as soon as they open your latest message, so give it time to make it seem like you forgot you'd messaged her.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 5:33:23 AM   
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Thank you, cause everyone was making it sound like POF. This approach seems more balanced and correct. And I enjoy pulling hair and am fairly confident once I get in the groove. I just suck at the beginning. Always have for some reason. Even with vanilla girls.

I feel like LTE is parroting what I said, the only thing he is adding is telling you to change your appearances to LOOK LIKE HIM! Gawd sunglasses bullshit. Please be YOU. And You are NOT LTE. And except you are not getting the "correct" message.

It has nothing to do with "how good you are at pulling hair." If you start your message by telling a girl how good you are at pulling hair, EVEN if she states she likes her hair pulled, chances are, You won't get a respond. It shows a lack of social skills.

Notice that LTE still talks about talking about what he has to offer her. And also talks about complimenting her. I think those two factors were totally missing in your initial draft in your OP.


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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 9:06:16 AM   
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Thank you, cause everyone was making it sound like POF.



Yup....and most of us are in long term, successful relationships.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:00:37 AM   
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Thank you, cause everyone was making it sound like POF.



Yup....and most of us are in long term, successful relationships.


Women say they want A but they really want B. When one is learning how to control women one must realize this and never forget the lesson. Even on POF. But remember, she is not on POF. There you go.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:15:56 AM   
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I feel like LTE is parroting what I said, the only thing he is adding is telling you to change your appearances to LOOK LIKE HIM!

I realized that. I was being polite.
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Gawd sunglasses bullshit. Please be YOU. And You are NOT LTE.

I know. I doubt I will wear sunglasses. I might scowl. I'll take some pics, see how it turns out.
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And except you are not getting the "correct" message.

It has nothing to do with "how good you are at pulling hair." If you start your message by telling a girl how good you are at pulling hair, EVEN if she states she likes her hair pulled, chances are, You won't get a respond. It shows a lack of social skills.

That doesn't help me talk to women. Just an in-person bonus.
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Notice that LTE still talks about talking about what he has to offer her. And also talks about complimenting her. I think those two factors were totally missing in your initial draft in your OP.

I did notice.I believe your style works better with subs, which I used to pursue. Slaves (what I am looking for, and especially the more intense ones) are more responsive to LTE's style.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:21:40 AM   
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Thank you, cause everyone was making it sound like POF.



Yup....and most of us are in long term, successful relationships.

I realize that, but I've been active on POF for quite a while, and so far, this is different.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:22:07 AM   
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I feel like LTE is parroting what I said, the only thing he is adding is telling you to change your appearances to LOOK LIKE HIM!

I realized that. I was being polite.
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Gawd sunglasses bullshit. Please be YOU. And You are NOT LTE.

I know. I doubt I will wear sunglasses. I might scowl. I'll take some pics, see how it turns out.
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And except you are not getting the "correct" message.

It has nothing to do with "how good you are at pulling hair." If you start your message by telling a girl how good you are at pulling hair, EVEN if she states she likes her hair pulled, chances are, You won't get a respond. It shows a lack of social skills.

That doesn't help me talk to women. Just an in-person bonus.
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Notice that LTE still talks about talking about what he has to offer her. And also talks about complimenting her. I think those two factors were totally missing in your initial draft in your OP.

I did notice.I believe your style works better with subs, which I used to pursue. Slaves (what I am looking for, and especially the more intense ones) are more responsive to LTE's style.



No, please don't change your appearance to look like me! Sunglasses or not you need to make your presentation edgier in both appearance and content.
Don't underestimate the confidence needed to pull hair and the effect of doing so.

Also, these are women offering advice. They are not in the business of attracting the women you are looking for and their experience is 180 degrees from what is needed.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:27:16 AM   
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Which is why you are in "ask a Master". If you go to "Ask a Submissive", you will get honesty but not the true answers.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:33:01 AM   
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Slaves (what I am looking for, and especially the more intense ones) are more responsive to LTE's style.


Maybe true. But they are not out there cleanly segregated on CM. Just because they say they are submissive rather than slave and vice versa means nothing at all.

At the end of the day most are looking for you to lead them to another place, one they are looking for but cannot find on their own.


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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:34:49 AM   
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Perhaps the Arturas "Magic Carpet Ride".

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:47:05 AM   
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Just got a positive reply from this message I sent. She looked over my profile, I noticed.

In her profile picture she is fully clothed with a bit of an unmistakably uncertain look on her face, but her eyes are to die for. I sent her my cmail with face only picture natch...

"I am also looking for something different, but not too different, eh?" "You're eyes are beautiful in that picture and the color of your hair brightened my evening".

I normally don't send short messages but there was not much in her profile to grab onto. Except her eyes and hair. It is enough.


One cannot argue with success. Good luck.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 10:58:29 AM   
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No, please don't change your appearance to look like me! Sunglasses or not you need to make your presentation edgier in both appearance and content.

I can see how I need edge. My photo is very clean-cut.
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Don't underestimate the confidence needed to pull hair and the effect of doing so.

Oh, I know. I have experience there from my FWB. She loved when I pulled it and when i played with it afterward too.
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Also, these are women offering advice. They are not in the business of attracting the women you are looking for and their experience is 180 degrees from what is needed.

I was waiting for a master to chime in; it's why I posted where I did. But I certainly do not discount their advice altogether; they helped remind me an actual person resides on the other end. And subs are wonderful creatures.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 11:09:37 AM   
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Maybe true. But they are not out there cleanly segregated on CM. Just because they say they are submissive rather than slave and vice versa means nothing at all.

At the end of the day most are looking for you to lead them to another place, one they are looking for but cannot find on their own.

So far, I've found if they like cages or "hard use" they respond better to harsher language, and dislike niceness.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 11:13:21 AM   
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Just got a positive reply from this message I sent. She looked over my profile, I noticed.

In her profile picture she is fully clothed with a bit of an unmistakably uncertain look on her face, but her eyes are to die for. I sent her my cmail with face only picture natch...

"I am also looking for something different, but not too different, eh?" "You're eyes are beautiful in that picture and the color of your hair brightened my evening".

I normally don't send short messages but there was not much in her profile to grab onto. Except her eyes and hair. It is enough.


One cannot argue with success. Good luck.

I wonder if you can be nicer because of your more edgier appeareance.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 12:42:46 PM   
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Women go for the bad boy, the alpha. They also enjoy being told how much their hard work at being beautiful has paid off. It's a one two combination that is effective if she cares about how she looks and those are the only ones I spend my time on. They say they want nice and steady but they really want to be swept off their feet by an alpha bad boy who appreciates beauty when he sees it. Most. There are exceptions but I would not spend my time on them, there are guys who enjoy that.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 1:16:38 PM   
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Maybe true. But they are not out there cleanly segregated on CM. Just because they say they are submissive rather than slave and vice versa means nothing at all.

At the end of the day most are looking for you to lead them to another place, one they are looking for but cannot find on their own.

So far, I've found if they like cages or "hard use" they respond better to harsher language, and dislike niceness.


Not most. You want something to work with "most" while at the same time knowing each female is a little different. Most do not on the first message. Unless they are faking or very rough themselves. They also might be a guy faking it. Or you hit the jackpot early on.

Get the pretty ones who enjoy these things but don't say so in words on the first or second cmail. They will signal those desires and limits without words and don't trust what they put in their profiles. Face to face is where the communication really takes place and there are a lot of ways to handle that. Let me share this unique experience, about the third girl I met her on CM, she was an ex-Dungeon Monitor for a Private Club on the east coast. She went by the book, we had dinner and then she actually wrote a list of her desires and limits, both soft and hard. Most were hard limits. That was an experience not repeated again but I was glad to have it.

In a typical face to face, after lunch, after you picked her up from work, she works at the local McClures, for a first face to face luncheon and you notice she is wearing a short dress, black with a full length silver zipper and she clearly spent a lot of time on making herself look great. You suggest that maybe she and you could go to the local city park and stroll and talk. She says yes and you know that she knows damn well what might happen, and after you walk to a secluded spot you stop and kiss her after putting you hand in her hair and, well, I discussed this earlier, and then you loop your finger round the silver ring attached to her zipper at the top of her dress and slide it down gently but without hesitation to right above her navel exposing her left breast in a think semi see-through bra.

Her response is "stop, please don't", not "no" and she looks around to see if anyone is watching, and then asks you to be careful of her new "tats" and sure enough when you pull her bra strap down there is a new piercing and one must be careful with those. I am careful with them, for the most part, and she is clearly enjoying this. I then zip her up and unzip myself and grab the handle again and she begs me to stop. I tell her I'm in charge now and continue and she does willingly sink down to her knees. After this I decided to fuck her and she signaled a firm no. We continued in a BDSM relationship for months and months and this was before I even had my flogger, stuck with cane and candle and leather strap and condoms. Until I found out she was married.

Sigh. Apparently I have some signals to learn myself.

So, "stop, I cannot do that" means exactly that if given in a level voice. "No! Not here, please", in a begging tone means this is something you should continue with unless she stops begging and says "No". This is something you must be careful with since you and she have not gotten to the stage where "safe words" are used although I have at times let the female know what the safe word is very early in the contact. On first face to face it may spook her or even scare her into breaking her ever warming mood toward you so that is a gamble but one that paid off for me all the time.

I think you are started down the right path. Don't worry about rejection. Cherish your conquests and be worthy of them. They are indeed beautiful and treat them "nice" but not in a POF way.


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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 1:29:15 PM   
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I'm sure some female will complain I am suggesting forced sex is okay, it is not. We are discussing scenes. Your first one with that female and just like in all scenes, you must watch her for signals and recognize what they mean or forgo the scene or give her a safe word and risk changing her mood.

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RE: Improving Reply Rates - 10/18/2017 3:52:28 PM   
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So far, I've found if they like cages or "hard use" they respond better to harsher language, and dislike niceness.


Frankly, I doubt the ones responding to that are actually women, but rather men posing as women to get their rocks off. Odds are they'll ask for money or never meet you IRL no matter how much they claim to want to.
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Also, it's silly to take the advice of the one dominant man replying in this thread because it's what you want to hear. The women responding to the thread are the s-types you want to attract. You should be listening to them. But what do I know? I'm just submissive lady who would question a guy who says isn't experienced yet decides to call himself a master.

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