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Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/19/2022 9:17:53 PM

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https://www.axios.com/2022/12/19/january-6-committee-trump-criminal-charges

This is where we are. Trump has been referred on criminal charges, as well as his attorney, John Eastman.

The DOJ is not obligated to do anything and likely have their own Jan 6th investigation(s) going.

Seems like a good time to have this forum back.

RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 6:30:44 AM

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Who really wants to live in a country where ruling class elitists can simply declare opposition politicians "criminals" through a banana republic kangaroo court. Where the big Internet search engine skews search results, where dictionaries change the definition of words to fit political narratives, where corporate media empires and social media behemoths are manipulated by their secretive government overlords to achieve single party rule through propaganda campaigns and other nefarious tactics.

Elon Musk is now under "investigation" by the same bad actors whose pretend "bipartisan committee" referred President Trump for criminal prosecution, and Musk couldn't be hated more right now - simply because he restored free speech to a single social media platform. The ruling class elites are literally out to destroy him, exactly like they are trying to destroy President Trump.

And they're doing all of it right out in the open.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 11:38:05 AM

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I posted about Trump. You can make other threads about other subjects, since you apparently don't want to discuss the topic at hand.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 1:30:43 PM

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They're all pieces of the same puzzle. Try this on the Google search engine - type the letters "jan" and note the autofill results. Erase that, and type "election frau" (leaving off the 'd' at the end), and note the total LACK of autofill.

Your mind is the product, and it has long ago been bought and paid for.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 2:51:13 PM

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You could make a thread discussing each of these things. Seriously, we need more new threads around here. But you should at least try to be intellectually honest, and stick to the subject at hand.

Do you think Trump is guilty? I don't see you saying otherwise.
Do you think it matters? Your siggy shows you still support his movement, if not him.

That article says Trump believes it's timed to derail his election bid in '24. Personally, I think the timing of this is inconsequential, as the committee is set to expire at the end of this Congressional term.

The January 6th attack shouldn't have happened. No American President should have encouraged such a thing. The modern concept of democracy depends on such a thing not happening again. And anyone that played a role in that day's attack needs to be brought to justice.

Do I think Trump will see the inside of a prison cell? Nah. But I think we should all point and giggle at him. Maybe talk about his mama.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 5:12:04 PM

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The January 6th attack shouldn't have happened. No American President should have encouraged such a thing.

The president called for peaceful protests, and his staff encouraged Nancy Pelosi (whose office was in charge of security) to employ the National Guard, which they had dutifully offered.

She refused.

You might have learned about such things if your mind were your own

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald

As to my sig line - Make America Great Again? Spit out the Koolaid lad, and have a good look at Joe and Hunter and their pet FBI, and how they reflect the current state of the nation.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1604871630613753856?s=20&t=kNsBABJUHzgB8h4JvE5I0Q

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 8:33:46 PM

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My mind is my own, and I don't even like Kool-Aid. I think it's hard to Make America Great Again, because that means we have been great at one time, and now we aren't. No dates have been given for when we were great. No specific events have been given as to a change in our greatness. Certain events can be highlighted on our path to greatness, but I don't think we're quite there yet. America has never been Utopia.

I believe you and I have lived very different lives, and have faced very different struggles. But I don't think our visions of American exceptionalism are really all that different. And we both know there are those in both parties, and in our culture, that prevent America from being what it should be.

The first link you gave has an editor"s note that makes the story harder to understand. I'll read it again later.
The Hunter Biden thing is not at all specifically or directly related to the subject at hand, therefore really has no place in this conversation. Uncle Joe may be evil to the core, but you can make a thread about that.

I disagree with your assessment of Trump's motives at that rally. But what is most important to me is preventing such an attack from happening ever again, no matter the source of the attack. So I do think it a shame that political hostilities are such that truth and justice can be dismissed as partisan degradation.

I don't see the referral of charges as much of a surprise. Rightly or wrongly so, I was sure this would be the end result. I think had it been politically timed, we would have seen it before the midterms, when it would have possibly benefitted Dems the most. I am a bit surprised that Giuliani wasn't referred as well, with as much testimony as we saw throwing him under the bus.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 9:25:25 PM

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If you think it is bad now, wait till they start on any Republican that decides to run for President.
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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/20/2022 10:12:02 PM

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I'm really not sure there's anything to find that isn't already known. We can pretty much rule out anyone that ran against Trump in '16, and so far the only new name I've heard is Ron Desantis, who seems to be making his own headlines already. I'm sure we can expect more candidates, but they'll all be positioning themselves as some version of "Not Trump", rather than bringing new ideas to the platform.

People that ran in '16 may try it again, but they aren't any more viable than they were then. But the primary season should be interesting. Desantis has been vetted by Florida voters twice now though, so I don't expect many surprises there.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/21/2022 7:11:35 AM

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If you think it is bad now, wait till they start on any Republican that decides to run for President.
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Absolutely.

Their playbook worked against President Trump, who all of the Democrats loved prior to making the announcement that he was running for president in 2016. At that point, the FBI arm of the Democrat Party manufactured the lie that President Trump was a "Russian agent" blah blah blah, and useful mindless idiots believed every lie.

They don't need proof, their candidates can have jello for brains, be openly scandalous beyond anything ever seen, and have horrific foreign policy, wide open borders, crushing inflation and everything else... They just relentlessly make false accusations and voila - they have all of the power.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/21/2022 7:53:48 AM

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My mind is my own, and I don't even like Kool-Aid. I think it's hard to Make America Great Again, because that means we have been great at one time, and now we aren't. No dates have been given for when we were great. No specific events have been given as to a change in our greatness. Certain events can be highlighted on our path to greatness, but I don't think we're quite there yet. America has never been Utopia.

Your mind belongs to the communist narrative that has been the norm in American media and academia and everything else for years - "America was never great." Have you ever seen photos from space, of North and South Korea? South Korea is based on the American way, North Korea is based on your Masters' alternative.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/12/44/d012446ed9e8e04a88ed704f9558f8fc.jpg

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I believe you and I have lived very different lives, and have faced very different struggles. But I don't think our visions of American exceptionalism are really all that different. And we both know there are those in both parties, and in our culture, that prevent America from being what it should be.

The first link you gave has an editor"s note that makes the story harder to understand. I'll read it again later.
The Hunter Biden thing is not at all specifically or directly related to the subject at hand, therefore really has no place in this conversation. Uncle Joe may be evil to the core, but you can make a thread about that.

You made the Communist Chinese bribe money to the Biden crime family relevant when you attacked me over my sig line. The FBI hides real collusion between them and THE major militaristic adversary, while manufacturing false narratives against true patriotic Americans and then useful idiots like you wonder why people like me miss the good old days.

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I disagree with your assessment of Trump's motives at that rally. But what is most important to me is preventing such an attack from happening ever again, no matter the source of the attack. So I do think it a shame that political hostilities are such that truth and justice can be dismissed as partisan degradation.

It's not an assessment, they are the facts that your handlers keep hidden from you so well that you refuse to see them even when they breach the clever circus tents they have erected around your mind

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I don't see the referral of charges as much of a surprise. Rightly or wrongly so, I was sure this would be the end result.

There was never any doubt that the one-sided show trial would have any other outcome. The defendant was allowed no representation, no cross examination of witnesses was allowed, opposition witnesses were forbidden etc etc etc. It was literally scripted theater produced by a major network executive. Criminalizing political opposition has always been a huge part of any communist game plan.

https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/ex-abc-news-exec-james-goldston-producing-jan-6-committees-primetime-hearing/

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I think had it been politically timed, we would have seen it before the midterms, when it would have possibly benefitted Dems the most. I am a bit surprised that Giuliani wasn't referred as well, with as much testimony as we saw throwing him under the bus.

You don't understand that their little theater production grossly affected the midterms?

Really?

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/21/2022 4:38:54 PM

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To say that I attacked you is a lie, Bosco. A lot of what you've posted is lies. Fake news. Alternative facts. Lies

I choose to deal in reality.

Before any Republican candidate for President has to worry about "the Democratic Playbook", they have to get through the Republican primary. There, any candidate has the chance to make the case as to why they would be a better President, and a better choice against the Democratic candidate, than any other GOP candidate. Each of the GOP candidates will do opposition research. That effort has likely already begun, though only Trump has announced his candidacy thus far. But we still have 22 months or so before the national election. I expect a lot to happen in that time.

Trump lost his bid for re-election because of his time as President, and how he chose to run the country. Biden will be judged on Biden 's choices in office, just the same. Unless the GOP nominee can make a more convincing argument for why they should get the job, Biden will win. Again.

Inflation is high. Is Joe Biden to blame? Do the majority of American people believe that Biden is to blame? The answer to both totally different questions is no. This Christmas, Americans seem to be more concerned with finding a PS5 than protesting for civil rights. That's not to say there hasn't been any police brutality in the country, it just hasn't caught nationwide attention. Maybe our media is more focused on a different narrative. Maybe people think things are better, and will be, for now.

Russia and China are both their own countries, and have their own agendas and goals. The US is a background character to their stories, sometimes the enemy, sometimes an ally. It all depends on the goal at hand, and which party is in charge. The Democrats seem to believe China is the lesser of the two evils, while the GOP believes Russia is. But neither of them have our best interests at heart. How could they? Why should they?

Does the media help shape our views? Absolutely. It should. But too many people have fallen into echo chambers, so that they only get the views they already have reinforced, while they're led to believe a connection to something deeper, or from the past. Sometimes there is a valid connection. Sometimes there isn't. Each of us chooses what to believe, and what to even search for.

What does "Academia" even mean? Smart people? People with Master's Degrees? Colleges? Professors? I think it's meant as an attack of some sort, but I really don't get how. I can't refute it until you can define it. I'll wait until then to decide whether or not I'm offended. I may be influenced by those that have more to say on a matter than me. Generally, those people have done more research on the topic, so I can learn something new from them.

Your opinion is not a fact. You believing something does not make it fact. Me not believing that same thing does not prevent it from being a fact. Trump's motives during the rally are not and cannot be truly known, except by him, and those he has chosen to confide in. His words, broadcasted on tv, are fact. His actions that day are fact.

If Pelosi has any blame for the events of Jan6, then she should be held accountable. And laws should be changed to make sure that a peaceful transition of power does occur, no matter who wins. The attack on our Capitol cannot be allowed to happen again. So laws should be made or changed so that anyone in power has no choices to make. A bipartisan, or better yet, a NONpartisan investigation must be fully conducted. And nobody should get in the way. Least of all any former Commander-In-Chief.

Trump was never a defendant in the Jan6 Committee's investigation. It wasn't a court proceeding of any kind, so the term "kangaroo court" doesn't apply. The Republican leadership in the House chose not to participate. Trump chose not to appear, though he was subpoenaed. No defense is legitimate until criminal charges are pressed. Procedure was followed by the Committee. So these partisan talking points you choose to repeat are baseless, and have no merit. I think I've managed to poke holes in enough of them.

And no, I don't think the Committee itself had an effect on the midterms. The reasons for the Committee probably did. Trump probably did.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/22/2022 5:28:21 AM

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What does "Academia" even mean?

You could have just pulled on your mommy's skirt and asked her instead of splaying more of your astounding ignorance all over the Internet

ac·a·de·mi·a
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noun: academia

the environment or community concerned with the pursuit of research, education, and scholarship.
"he spent his working life in academia"

What part of my post do you think is a lie. That was a Soviet-style show trial, literally. Opposition Congressmen were barred from making their case, and you're far too dense to get that even after it's spelled out for you

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/22/2022 6:33:07 AM

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Trump was never a defendant

You're insane

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/22/2022 3:29:56 PM

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You're insane

Is that your medical opinion, Dr Bosco? Do I get really good meds with that? Is there a co-pay or does my insurance cover your fee? This must be that telehealth stuff I keep hearing about.

My sanity is not in question here, and I'm pretty sure you have no authority to make such a diagnosis.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/22/2022 4:42:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

What does "Academia" even mean?

You could have just pulled on your mommy's skirt and asked her instead of splaying more of your astounding ignorance all over the Internet

ac·a·de·mi·a
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noun: academia

the environment or community concerned with the pursuit of research, education, and scholarship.
"he spent his working life in academia"

What part of my post do you think is a lie. That was a Soviet-style show trial, literally. Opposition Congressmen were barred from making their case, and you're far too dense to get that even after it's spelled out for you

Sadly, my mother passed away in 2018, so I can't do that. And your personal attacks are rather pointless in making me change my mind on this matter. Or any matter.

I know what the word academia actually means. But I don't have any way to know how you are choosing to twist it, or why I should think it bad.
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So which part of your post is a lie? Mostly the words you typed out all in a row. The punctuation is good though. So bravo on that.

Facts are facts. We can feel differently about those facts, as they impact us differently. I may think we need the rain, while you can be upset that the rain hinders your plans. The rain doesn't care either way. It just is. Your reluctance to admit basic facts make it difficult to follow your thoughts and reach the same conclusions logically.

A Congressional Committee is not a trial. At the end of the Committee's investigation, nobody was sentenced to a prison term. Trump was subpoenaed by the Committee, and failed to comply. That would have given him the opportunity to address questions posed by the Committee. The Republican House leadership chose to withdraw the original 5 Republicans set to be on the Select Committee. Those original 5 likely would have had different questions than were asked. That could have shaped the investigation differently, and the outcome may have been different.

But the outcome is criminal referrals for Trump and Eastman. This doesn't surprise me. It doesn't seem to surprise you either. If any of the Select Committee members had a bias, then it would seem likely that their investigation would support that bias. That bias doesn't make the investigation's outcomes wrong, necessarily. A trial is biased as well. The prosecutor is armed with a case against the defendant, while the defense attorney is only responsible for getting their client a Not Guilty verdict. Or a plea deal. "Not guilty" is not "innocent". Juries and judges let innocent people go to prison and guilty people go free on a daily basis. But the conviction or acquittal becomes a fact. Whether you agree or not has no bearing on that fact.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/22/2022 5:32:20 PM

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It can't be a real congressional committee when only Pelosi's hand-picked representatives are allowed in, when only "Democrat" (communist) - approved witnesses are allowed to be called, no cross examinations are allowed, etc.

It's a Soviet show trial

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/22/2022 6:49:04 PM

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I'm not sure who you're trying to convince. Rail against it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the truth. Or the Committee's official report, which will be recorded in the Congressional Record, regardless of you howling against it all.

This Congressional investigation is over. The final report is now available. This is reality.

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/23/2022 6:24:54 AM

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Typical of far left lemmings and loons you can't argue against what I post

Where was the opposition party from your pretend "hearings"

They were banned, because the entire thing was a scripted show trial

Couldn't let the facts get in the way of a perfectly good witch hunt

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RE: Jan. 6 panel refers Trump on criminal charges - 12/23/2022 11:06:00 AM

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You continue to post the same thing, long after reasonable (and true) arguments have been made that totally destroy your words.

You continue to post unfounded, unsubstantiated, and undeserved personal attacks without answering to them when called out on these obvious attacks. You're kinda still a meaniehead, but I have nothing better to do at the moment.

It wasn't a trial. Congress doesn't have the authority to put any US citizens on trial, aside from the current President at any given time. You can't just keep repeating it to make it true. But you continue with the nonsense and lies, and showing who you are. I'm ok with that, you showing who you are.

I don't consider myself "far left". I do believe this country's political alignment has moved more to the right than is comfortable. But I am moving to the left, as my personal needs have changed considerably. My beliefs haven't changed, though I guess a few have been tested. My moral compass hasn't been changed.

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