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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/19/2006 6:42:58 PM   
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I AM angry about GROSS, NON-Thinking, generalizations people here have about crossdressers.


I'd like you to list what the generalizations are.  I need some more info here.  Can the anger bit, and just explain what you mean.  We know you are upset..we got that part.. now let's do something constructive. 
 
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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/19/2006 6:49:56 PM   
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I'd like you to list what the generalizations are. I need some more info here. Can the anger bit, and just explain what you mean. We know you are upset..we got that part.. now let's do something constructive.



You could simply READ the first few pages. I think you'll find what you are looking for.


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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/19/2006 6:53:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Im not angry at what others have done to me.....screw it...the main thing is they can't hurt me anymore.

I AM angry about GROSS, NON-Thinking, linear generalizations people here have about crossdressers.


Nuh uh.  Not buying that.  You're being openly hostile to women who have simply stated that they have other preferences than cross dressers or sissies.  There's enough baggage here for an intercontinental flight.

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Mabye some good will come out of this thread. Some young submissive crossdresser might save himself some pain and hurt knowing WHO to avoid in a D&S relationship.


That's always a good lesson for any young submissive to learn.  But one of the best lessons I could wish that a young submissive CD could learn would be that it's okay to be who you are and also okay to let other people be who they are, without needng to be angry at them for having preferences and desires that don't happen to include you.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/19/2006 6:53:31 PM   
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Tag team mud wrestling, next, on Springer.

The quote above was me, 15 years ago. I didn't have as much anger as I've witnessed here, and certainly nobody fighting me over my odd little quirks, but apparently there was something about me and my character that rubbed people wrong.

Then one day I woke up and decided I wasn't going to hide behind 'normalcy' any longer. I WOULD tell 100% of my partners about my sexuality. Not only that, I would CHOOSE 100% of my partners BASED upon my sexuality.

Weeks later, as I began my investigations into what all of this meant, my coworkers (superiors, actually) pointed out to me that something must have happened to me to somehow mature me, because those nasty little bits of my personality that was interpreted as 'asshole' had amazingly disappeared.

Ever since, I've had some wonderful relationships, and a few short periods of solitude. And I've never felt the impulse to fight someone wearing boxing gloves with a feather duster, no matter how interesting that sounded.

If you were really through with your insecurities you would take the passion that you rightly hold for yourself, and channel it into finding a partner who embraces you for what you wish to be.

Jeff



So......I am defective and need of redemption by your standards?

I don't buy it.

People shit on each other.....moreso if you are not part of the flock.

Fact.

Screw it. I think I want to remain single.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 12:20:55 AM   
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greetings to all
 
i am not into crossdresser i know you have something about clothes i respect you all who knows i may chnge my mind if i meet the right male
 
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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 12:47:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve


Screw it. I think I want to remain single.


If we end this thread on this note, we might all manage to agree on something.  ;)

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 12:52:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Screw it. I think I want to remain single.


I go for that.  Because you are unlikely to find anybody with the attitude you are displaying.  I would love to see you come out of this thread a little wiser. 
 
This is your profile:

quote:

NOT LOOKING ANYMORE....THERE IS NO ONE HERE FOR ME. CROSSDRESSERS ARE SHAT ON IN THE BDSM COMMUNITY QUITE FRANKLY. I'M JUST HERE TO LEARN MORE.

 
This is your entire profile.  Doesn' sound very inviting, and, on top of that, I note that you joined the site on August 30th.  Were you a previous member under a different user name?  Or have you decided to take out your years (months?  weeks?  days?) of pent up anger at the BDSM community at large by posting in this manner right here on collarme?  I admit I am confused.
I want to point out, however, the last line of your profile.  You say you are here to learn.  You are being given an opportunity to interact and discuss and learn, right here on this thread. 
Najak is responding to you very reasonably and trying to help. 
Lotus has said "The line is open...we are listening". 
Shouldn't you try to take advantage of that?




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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 1:06:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

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Well that is why you will never have a Domme for you to serve... your attitude sucks you are here for Our pleasure... Now there should be a common interests to make it work, but your submission is a must. you seem to be to be one of those...."look at Me I am coming out of the closet" and angry you was there subbies. you have been hurt in the past and now have taken it out on Us... Just because We believe We are supeior to you does not mean We are Female Supremists, because that is totaly wrong on My account. Now I believe I am Superior to Mine, but as a race no All Women are not Superior to All Men that is a Supremists...


Iam here to please a dominant who CARES about me. Period. Nothing more...nothing less. I wont be exploited by someone who is only out for themselves.

ESPECIALLY one who thinks they are "superior".

BTW..ive been alone for YEARS....I can go a little longer. No sweat off of my back.

How many days...hours weeks have you passed time by yourself?

I have the strength to be alone with myself. Ive had to. How about you?


How much time for Me you ask let's see it has been since June first since I have not has a submissive.... and the reason he is not her now before you open your mouth is because he died... W/we were together almost 29 years.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 1:08:56 AM   
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good because sissifytoserve you will stay that way... with your attitude there is no one that would want you...

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 1:27:52 AM   
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what a great post - so good I'm copying it so it gets repeated!

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I like intelligent and ethical play partners who share some of my non kinky interests and whose primary interest is in the other human being they are scening with, not the specific fetish clothes or toys that are used in the scene.

Some cross dressers fall into this category and some don't.  I would have to say that the majority of people with very strong and very specific fetish interests tend not to be much fun for me to play with, specifically because their interest in the fetish seems to outweigh their interest in relating to me as a person.  That really isn't fun for me, so I'd rather not play with fetishists who don't seem to care who I am as long as I do the right things, wear the right clothes, make them wear the right clothes, etc.  Not all fetishists are like this, but I've run into quite a few who are.

Someone who was intelligent, fun, genuinely interested in me as human being and willing to do many of the things that *I* like without insisting on doing it exactly his way with his fetish all of the time would be a good play partner whether he was into cross dressing or not.  Someone who insisted on doing it his way all of the time and was never willing to explore any other kinds of scening, not so much.

Transgender people are a whole different ballpark; it's not a fetish for them  but simply the truth of their gender.  I can totally respect that and would always treat a transgendered sub according to the gender they really feel they are.  What I cannot respect is someone who calls himself a sub but is only interested in doing things HIS way 100% of the time, never being willing to explore any other kinds of scening except what HE wants.  Doesn't matter what the fetish is, only the fact that the so-called sub puts the fetish above his partner's needs and desires and will not compromise.  Someone who is a fetishist but not a submissive would do better finding other fetishists to partner with and being honest about what they are seeking.

Cross dressing a subbie (or even just a non subly fetishist CD/TV friend) can be a whole lot of fun.  Cross dressing someone who won't play any other way and who doesn't seem to care whether or not I have any fun as long as he gets his scene exactly his way is absolutely NO fun.  Are all fetishists like this?  No, but in my experience a very high percentage of them are.  It's not specifically about cross dressers, though clothes are one of the more common things for a fetishist to fixate on.  Some people fetishize foot worship or bondage to the point that they really have no other scene related interests.  Sometimes even to the point that they can't even seem to relate to another human being in a scene, or in a relationship for that matter.  That's a problem for me.

My primary interest in a play partner is the human being I am exchanging energy with and spending time with.  If he is a good person, an intelligent and ethical person whose company I enjoy, and if he likes and respects me in turn and really cares about my having a good time when we scene, I will have fun playing with him.  Unfortunately if he only likes to do one kind of scene, no matter what that one kind of scene is, I'd get pretty bored with a steady diet of it.  I would be friends and casual play partners with someone in that situation, but I would not want to have a primary partner whose kink interests were very narrowly focused or dependent on a single activity. 

Not all fetishists are selfish, uncaring assholes, just like not all femdoms are selfish, money grubbing man haters.  But some are.  All you can do is to get to know people on an individual basis and decide for yourself whether they are worth spending your time with. 

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 2:12:38 AM   
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the love for crossdressers here is overwhelming

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 2:34:53 AM   
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OK, I'm trying to get this straight in my head. sissify (et al) - I can sympathise and empathise with your frustration, but please try to read this and see the situation clearly? I will likely be alone the rest of my life too after all, for very like reasons.

Many CDs are upset, because most genetic women dont find the idea of their man wanting to adopt a female appearance a sexually motivating one. Many CDs complain that genetic women tend to lump all CDs as one, and tend to reject them as a group without getting to know them individually. From the experience and views of most CDs posting here, this seems to be the case. From the experience and views of some women here, this also seems to be the case; the former based on whats been posted and the latter based on their actual experience of finding all they have encountered as being similarly oriented, primarily on crossdressing.

The problem though, is that heterosexual women in the main seek out men who look like and act like men. A man who wishes to look like and act like a woman, is not going to be very interesting to them. This is not bigotry, this is simply a matter of sexual orientation. Lesbian women too, are not likely to find a CD man that attractive. They seek women, not men who look like or act like women. This is not bigotry either, its simply a matter of sexual orientation. Even bisexual women are not likely to find a CD that attractive, since in my experience they tend to want one or the other (male or female), not a mixture - again, not bigotry, but simply sexual orientation. I think this is what is being overlooked in this case - that interest in any partner, is based on sexual orientation, and even Sean Connery in stockings and heels would be a turn off for most heterosexual women, just as he wouldnt get very far with lesbian women dressed like that.

On the other side, it would seem that CDs are doing in regard to women, what they feel women are doing in regard to them; that is lumping them all together as one, in this case, antagonistic group hellbent on rejecting and ridiculing them. However, although many women here have expressed a non preference for CD males and some have used the word dislike, not one woman here has said or even inferred that CD males should be dragged out and shot. Its just that women of all persuasions tend to prefer a man to look like a man.

sissify - I know that there are support groups in the UK for CDs which also include branches for natural women who are partners of, or attracted to CD males. There must also be similar groups in the US and everywhere else. Have you sought out anything like this please? Mail me off thread if you want information OK?

As I said at the top, I can sympathise and empathise with sissify's frustration (though the anger is not healthy or helpful) - I'm in a similar situation after all, but perhaps more resigned to it. Women of all orientations dont seem to want a TS, men of all orientations dont seem to want a TS. The situation seems to be, that if I dont want to live and die alone, my only choice is to become part of the TS ghetto and find someone there - but no; I dont belong there, and I have to say from my encounters with it, its not a healthy place to be compared to where I am which is fully integrated in normal, everyday society (well, apart from you lot of course LOL!).

Now, I look like, speak like, move like and act like a woman so well that even living in the worst area of town I get no hassle and I can run a business with multiple offices all over Europe that I have to travel to and from regularly without so much as a second glance at passport checks and my mainly male employees know nothing about my past. According to my "groping neighbour" (see bad advice thread), I even smell and taste like and feel like a woman, (though he still doesnt fancy me of course, 'cause I'm "a bloke"; strange situation or what?). To misquote the advert "nine out of ten penis owners couldnt tell the difference" - that kind of thing, but more like 99.9% couldnt tell.

So, a question to the disgruntled CD males; if I were to seek you out, and say yes, I love you crossdressing, and yes I will take you as a sub/slave etc - what would you do?

I strongly suspect like every other heterosexual man I've encountered, you'd run a mile.
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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 3:28:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

Nah...Here...its "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" for crossdressers.


No, here you're encountering a number of women who don't have a taste for it.  For as many of us that are here who don't have a taste for CDs, I'm certain there are other women out there who don't like the masculine men and prefer keeping their mate sissified.  That's all it is.  This is not an episode of the "attack sissy" show.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 5:13:43 AM   
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The one transvestite I LOVE is Eddie Izzard.  He's one dapper dresser, but just acts like a regular guy.  THAT'S what is appealing to me.  He's not TRYING to feign a woman's persona.  
 


Hilarious and freakin' gorgeous. Very snazzy clothing and wherever does he get those heels? Oh um.... Ahem... Pardon the hi-jack.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 6:58:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MadameDahlia

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

The one transvestite I LOVE is Eddie Izzard.  He's one dapper dresser, but just acts like a regular guy.  THAT'S what is appealing to me.  He's not TRYING to feign a woman's persona.  
 


Hilarious and freakin' gorgeous. Very snazzy clothing and wherever does he get those heels? Oh um.... Ahem... Pardon the hi-jack.


That he is :)  Now him.. I'd go shopping with.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 7:54:00 AM   
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sissytoserve, you just keep missing the point so you can turn it around to play the victim...

I don't dislike CDs and I don't think that anyone here has said that - but I (like many other doms) do find that a CDs' fetish would interfere with what interests me, so I'm not very willing to work with a CD for that reason (and I have the same feeling for other monothematic fetishists i.e. foot, shoe, etc).

As for lumping CDs together indiscriminately instead of considering each as "a person": individual character matters, of course! I wouldn't want to have anything to do with angry, resentful or antagonistic people of any kind, pervy OR vanilla; and although the cross-dressing fetish could be an obstacle to taking on a particular CD as a slave, a giving, charming CD with a sterling character could make me want to spend some kind of time together, at least as friends and who knows what else?

Mstrjx, your point about changing yourself and thereby effecting change in the way others relate to you was dead on, thanks for adding that.

One more thing: LadyEllen, you're great, I love reading your posts. You've described the difficulty of being an outsider very well, but from what you've written (and the way you've written it) I'd say that whoever has the chance to get close to you would be fortunate.

Lunamor

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 8:09:16 AM   
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It cracks me up how you have been misunderstood here, IMO. You came in and took issue with posts in the thread, and the points you made were valid. This then caused a defensive reaction which had little to do with what you had actually written.

The question for me is, why such resistence to the clear words you banged out? Why such a defensive reaction?

The arc of this thread has been similar to past threads. Posters respond with a viceral reaction, usually dressed up as a kind of "knowing" generalization --- and then someone like you takes issue with this --- and its off to the races. Sissymaidlola, now dearly departed, used to drop the bigotry word about to describe it.

Similar, now kind of funny arcs, follow the same-ish predictable pattern when a married person invariably comes out wondering what to do about their sudden need for or experience in a BDSM afffair. The viceral reaction is to beat that person to death with the cheating card.

Whether its "I don't like CDs" or "I hate cheaters," the posting reaction has a kind of obnoxious, rightousness about it which is hard, if not impossible to curb.

Anyway, as I kind of said earlier, I got what you said, and it resonates with me.

Stay cool.

Can't say I'm with you on the WTC thing, but some difference of opinion usually makes things more interesting.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 8:24:26 AM   
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Awww! Lunamor - what a nice thing to say! Thanks. Only problem now is, I've had so many compliments about posts lately, my head is getting too big for my wig....................! No - actually its all my own hair, people!

There's only one guy who gets close to me, like I mentioned. He's my neighbour, and he knows my situation - I shall have to show him what you said! It really is a strange relationship though; he has said often enough that I am the best person he has ever known, he begged me not to move away because he loves me, he finds me attractive enough to get close, to date he's still the only man who has been in my bed (though it was more an accident than design, but still), and I am the only person to whom he has ever willingly submitted in any way (I didnt ask him or tell him to - in fact he asked to and then just did it!). But still, I'm "a bloke" and though he does all these things he's mortified at the idea someone else might find out. Meanwhile his mother also seems to have designs on me marrying him at some stage - and yes, she knows about me too! Its just a shame his first love is for booze, which means although I love him too, it would never, ever work as I couldnt put up with all the nonsense and shit that comes with that on a full time basis, though I do put up with it occasionally.

Maybe I AM great, after all! A sexy Mother Teresa with a high IQ and modest with it - who could resist LOL!?

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 8:32:19 AM   
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I happen to like them. I also like a real manly man as well. If someone doesn't care for something you are.... it is best to find this out early on, accept it & move on. Why waste a lot of time & energy with someone when your likes & dislikes don't match up.

I read a little bit on this thread & I assume that this is the thread that was brought to my attention the other day & I had a nice long talk with someone about.

All I have to say is that everyone has a different energy about them. If your energy & their energy isn't compatible then you are friction & static when you attempt to blend. This doesn't mean that this person is defective or unacceptable by general standards... it just means they are good for you & you shouldn't attempt to chip away at them to see if you can form a fit.

I have had more genetic men who weren't the least bit femme come across as vain & self absorbed. This isn't a behavior that only a CD would express. Most of the CD's I have met truly act demure & go out of their way to be as polite & lady like as they can be while they are in role. Sure there are some who are flamboyant & completely over the top but if this ain't the energy you want or better yet, if this ain't the energy you know how to deal with... don't attempt to do so. You're only going to frustrate yourself as well as this very high energy person.

I truly wish to express to the trans crowd here that there are MANY places for you to talk with others that are like-minded & respect your expressions of self. I would be happy to pass along info to you about this if you contact me on the other side. It is still good to involve yourself in conversations with others who don't know anything about this segment of society as well as your existence in this "lifestyle". It is much like the gay community sharing with the het... exposure & exchanging ideas helps each understand the other... same thing has to happen when the trans-persons mix with the gay & het crowds... over time stereotypes are proved to be inaccurate & with a little understanding.. acceptance will happen easier.

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RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? - 9/20/2006 8:46:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Whether its "I don't like CDs" or "I hate cheaters," the posting reaction has a kind of obnoxious, rightousness about it which is hard, if not impossible to curb.


I neither like nor dislike crossdressers, just as I neither like nor dislike African-American people.  Everybody gets judged on their own merits, and there are people in both categories I do like and people in both categories that I think are a waste of oxygen.  But my opinion of them has nothing to do with their being a crossdresser or an African American.  It's about who they are as a person and how they behave.  

How you behave and how you treat other people is always a matter of your choice, even if your fundamental sexual/fetish orientation and your ethnicity is not.  I don't judge people for how they were born or for things that have happened to them.  I do judge people for the choices they make and how they act towards others.  You don't have a choice about being gay or straight.  You do have a choice about who you have sex with and how you treat your partners.

A fetish can be a pretty big obstacle in a relationship unless it's handled with maturity, tact and consideration by BOTH partners.  If the partner with the fetish doesn't have the skills to negoiate for play without making his partner feel like the fetish is more important than the relationship, there's going to be issues.  If the partner without the fetish doesn't recognize and respect that enacting this fetish is a core part of what this person needs to feel truly loved and wanted and accepted in the relationship, there's going to be problems. 

The nature of a fetish is usually that it's about things or objects; the nature of a relationship is that it's about human beings.  Fetishes aren't wrong or bad, in fact they can add a lot of depth and creativity to a relationship.  But when the fetish object seems to replace the person in importance, whether in truth or just in a partner's sensitive emotional perception, the non fetishizing partner is not going to be having fun any more.  And in very short order nobody will be having any fun any more because that relationship (or that scene) cannot be sustained.

These are just observations of fact and suggestions for maintaining a healthy two way relationship with lots of fun fetish play that makes both partners happy.  It is not meant to be a condemnation of cross dressers or any other fetishists.

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