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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 7:04:07 AM   
Noah


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Personaly i dont think an 18yo should be collard!!
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Too green, then?

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 7:16:32 AM   
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Too green, then?


It is a funny visual.  A collard submissive.


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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 7:41:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not surprising that this became an age issue.  I can definitely say my feelings have nothing to do with age whatsoever and I tend to find ageist comments as disgusting as racial slurs when it comes to discourse.

My problems are simply with the fact that I've never seen a serious successful long term dominant take as serious a matter as punishment and make it a point for public display, and go shilling for ideas.  This seems to be the province of someone who finds it very funny and kinky to play punishment games.

And IMO it is rude to push your punishment onto others.  Of course we can choose not to participate, but it's like asking total strangers if they want to be pissed on- there's a social level of comfort you need to be with someone before you go up and ask that sort of a question.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 8:27:02 AM   
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This question is a joke. Lying and relationships, especially M/s relationships, are mutually exclusive. Whatever you two thought you had together, you were both wrong. Now, either you start over or you go have a nice day with someone else.

You might begin by talking to each other instead of us.

K.


This over-simplistic view of relationships and human complexity is staggering.

agirl



I don't see how it's possible to have a relationship with someone you can't trust. You'll allow that I said they need to talk. Why did she lie? Was she afraid? What was she afraid of? Whatever, lying raises issues of basic trust. I think what is "over-simplistic" is the notion that punishment constitutes dealing with the problem.

K.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 9:01:00 AM   
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that goes a long ways to explaining things


experience not required...but it helps!

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 9:44:23 AM   
emdoub


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
This question is a joke. Lying and relationships, especially M/s relationships, are mutually exclusive. Whatever you two thought you had together, you were both wrong. Now, either you start over or you go have a nice day with someone else.

You might begin by talking to each other instead of us.

This over-simplistic view of relationships and human complexity is staggering.

agirl

Why is it oversimplistic?  I, too, consider it far too dangerous emotionally to be involved in a d/s relationship with someone whom I cannot trust to tell me the truth.

Your mileage, of course, may vary.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 10:08:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Both LA and justheather said it correctly:  1.  It isn't about the age of the people involved (what I said earlier was about the age of the relationship..now about 30 days old, I believe ...which I think is very relevant).  2.  I see nothing in the OP or her "master's" postings that indicate a sincere desire to learn -- I see a smarmy attempt to publicly play in front of all of us.

And yes, by reading the thread and by posting, we "consent" to their dragging their sordid little game in front of us.  But by making a public spectacle out of this, they consent to being verbally abused for their foolishness, too.  And all evidence indicates that they are fools, no matter what their ages are.

And finally, whenever I see anyone being collard, I think Andrew Marvell:

My vegetable love should grow
Vaster than empires, and more slow.
 
(May Ms. Watkins, who first had me read Marvell, forgive me.)

E.



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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 10:52:05 AM   
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I don't mean to pick on any one person here, 'cause lots are doing it - it's just that this was the best example of what I'm being unhappy with.

[You consented when you read the thread, and consented even further when you posted to it. 

If someone posts something that you don't think they should have posted, then go on to another topic - if it's truly off-topic, the mods will take care of it pretty effectively.  Peer moderation is mostly catty, futile, and decidedly not something I'm ever going to respect.





Sorry, I disagree. I go to the mall and see someone leading their slave in a see through shirt with a leash in front of my minor I have not consented to this simply because I'm there and I didn't within a second cover his eyes and mine. Even if I do, I already have seen it and have to deal with the fallout. Hell even seeing this alone I would find it offensive and would not have agreed to look at it. Consent is given before the action, not after.

Or do you normally severely cane a newbie and ask her afterwards for her consent? I didn't think so, you discuss things ahead of time.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 11:24:56 AM   
emdoub


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You consented when you read the thread, and consented even further when you posted to it. 

If someone posts something that you don't think they should have posted, then go on to another topic - if it's truly off-topic, the mods will take care of it pretty effectively.  Peer moderation is mostly catty, futile, and decidedly not something I'm ever going to respect.


Sorry, I disagree. I go to the mall and see someone leading their slave in a see through shirt with a leash in front of my minor I have not consented to this simply because I'm there and I didn't within a second cover his eyes and mine. Even if I do, I already have seen it and have to deal with the fallout. Hell even seeing this alone I would find it offensive and would not have agreed to look at it. Consent is given before the action, not after.

Um... this is a forum for discussion of BDSM, among other things - not a mall for shopping with your family.  If you peruse the topics posted here, you are consenting to see discussions that are within the guidelines of the forum - and if you don't like it, your only option is to quit reading. 

Basically, lass - my apple is far more red than your orange.

If you really want a forum where every topic must meet your approval, you can either start your own, or get raised to op status here.    Or continue to whine at posters that they shouldn't have posted that - and get people complaining to you about that.  None of this is, to my knowledge, off-topic for these forums, no matter how much we may wish it otherwise.

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Or do you normally severely cane a newbie and ask her afterwards for her consent? I didn't think so, you discuss things ahead of time.

Another apple/orange comparison.  Just how would you suggest that people discuss a topic and get approval for it ahead of time?

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 12:48:18 PM   
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Personaly i dont think an 18yo should be collard!! No more then I think an 18yo should be married or be a parent!!! She has so much left to learn befor settleing down and comiting to someone and honestly I do blaim age for some of their confution


Magik your profile states you are only 22 so four years gives you a wealth of knowlege?


((grins)) Nope never said it did!!! But Ill be the first to admit when Im not ready for something or dont have enough experiance for something.. heck i have much to learn never said I didnt. I wasnt collard at 18 I knew better then that, at 22 I am haveing my first REAL collar and Im glad I waited and learned what I needed and wanted from this life befor I did... Im still learning what I want and dont want!!

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 12:52:25 PM   
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My problems are simply with the fact that I've never seen a serious successful long term dominant take as serious a matter as punishment and make it a point for public display, and go shilling for ideas.  This seems to be the province of someone who finds it very funny and kinky to play punishment games.

And IMO it is rude to push your punishment onto others.  Of course we can choose not to participate, but it's like asking total strangers if they want to be pissed on- there's a social level of comfort you need to be with someone before you go up and ask that sort of a question.


This is what I was trying to say but as usualy you say it much better then I do!!!

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 1:26:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Magik the point is maybe she is ready at 18.   I never collared until I was 23 and even now 16+ years later, I still do not have the right to judge what age is appropriate for a collar.   Would it be right for me to say, 22 is way too young to collar simply because I was older than that when I collared---or course not and that is the point I am trying to make to you.   D/s is very diverse and very unique to each person and relationship and what may not be agreeable to you may totally work for someone else.   I can tell you are relatively new to D/s because arrogance was one of my downfalls as a beginner.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 1:32:49 PM   
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Magik the point is maybe she is ready at 18.   I never collared until I was 23 and even now 16+ years later, I still do not have the right to judge what age is appropriate for a collar.   Would it be right for me to say, 22 is way too young to collar simply because I was older than that when I collared---or course not and that is the point I am trying to make to you.   D/s is very diverse and very unique to each person and relationship and what may not be agreeable to you may totally work for someone else.   I can tell you are relatively new to D/s because arrogance was one of my downfalls as a beginner.


I said it was in my opinion.. I personaly do not think anyone can have enough experiance at 18. Real life doesnt even open up to you in this life till then... She has less then half a year under her blet and is collard in MY mind that isnt the wisest move... just my opinion!!

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 1:38:25 PM   
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Magik the point is maybe she is ready at 18.   I never collared until I was 23 and even now 16+ years later, I still do not have the right to judge what age is appropriate for a collar.   Would it be right for me to say, 22 is way too young to collar simply because I was older than that when I collared---or course not and that is the point I am trying to make to you.   D/s is very diverse and very unique to each person and relationship and what may not be agreeable to you may totally work for someone else.   I can tell you are relatively new to D/s because arrogance was one of my downfalls as a beginner.

I said it was in my opinion.. I personaly do not think anyone can have enough experiance at 18. Real life doesnt even open up to you in this life till then... She has less then half a year under her blet and is collard in MY mind that isnt the wisest move... just my opinion!!

I've known folks who were collared at under 18 - to age-peers.  As far as I could tell, they had a wonderful time.

Just what experience is necessary before one is collared to/by their chosen dominant? 

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 2:31:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I have to say it Magik first of all it's collared not collard---collard is a leafy vegetable.   And really it's not what you think or feel it's the way you come across.   I'm sorry but this is how I feel---'your no it all attitude' rubs me the wrong way because you project it in nearly every post I have read.   If you collared at 22 and are still 22 according to your profile---how much experience do you have under your belt? (that's the correct spelling btw).    
    Some people are ready for a collar at 18.   I knew what I wanted and that I was submissive at a much younger age; I just didn't know that such a lifestyle exsisted.   There wasn't any internet back then had I had known, I definately would have been ready at 18 because I experienced mild BD/SM at 17, I just didn't have a name for what  I wanted  and craved.   Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.   One isn't born with experience, we learn and grow.   When I met my first Dom I didn't have much experience, what I did have was knowledge of what I desired and needed to exsist.  
     Give others a break.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 2:47:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bet a lot more people "use" the readers of this forum in the practice of their kink than we would ever imagine.
Try to process it masochistically.
And, really, anyone who's ever been pissed on would probably agree that to compare being sucked into another punishment thread to being pissed on is a bit much.
It's way more satisfying... getting pissed on.


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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 2:48:42 PM   
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'your no it all attitude'


'your know it all attitude' 

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 2:49:44 PM   
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'your no it all attitude'


'your know it all attitude' 


You're no it all at a tude.

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 2:52:12 PM   
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What's a tude?

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RE: Lying. - 11/13/2006 2:53:49 PM   
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You know: Don't get a tude!
Where were you in the 80's?


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