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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:09:00 PM   
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This thread made me laugh more than once.  Is that wrong?


No, it isn't.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:09:09 PM   
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Ron,

The election results WAS the Republicans own fault.  No argument there.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:19:05 PM   
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No, Lam, it was an insulting and condescending comment

So why should that be a problem? You do that all the time and then justify it as being accurate because it is what you "see". Pot, meet kettle.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:19:07 PM   
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LOL,

And how does that make you feel Kain-tuck?

Happy or sad?


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:21:36 PM   
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Yeah, it was a lot harder to get them all bent out of shape when they still felt they were in the majority.  Now they're ready for combat at the drop of a hat.

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conservatives in the last week seem to be much angrier than liberals ......

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:22:36 PM   
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But I also see many conservatives as being more positive, having a can do spirit.



Hello A/all,

While I suppose I agree that conservatives tend to talk endlessly about their can-do spirit, the empirical evidence supporting them actually doing much that is positive with it is alarmingly slim.

They oppose safe water, it gets in the way of corporate profits.

They oppose safe food, see above.

They oppose protecting US jobs, see above.

They oppose making the minimum wage a living wage, see above.

They promote destroying the environment, protecting it gets in the way of corporate profits.

They endlessly promote little government.  But then you look at what Monkeyboy and Reagan did which is to essentially out-source big government to corporations like Halliburton.  This is not eliminating big government, it is simply adding extra layers of cost to it.

They oppose government programs like Welfare, Medicare, etc., that were initially designed to prevent people from starving to death.  The reasons given are that these programs are too wieldy to function effectively.  I would suspect this is a euphemism for corporate america wanting the Government to outsource it to them.

They see Social Security as something which is a huge pit of money to be re-invested and stolen by incompetent or downright evil corporate America.  Failure to do this gets in the way of corporate profits.

They support Big Pharma's and Big Medical's general attitude that health care should only be provided to those who can pay the big bucks for it.  The flip side of that coin is that Big Pharma and Big Medical do not want to have to negotiate with the Government on the cost of providing universal health care.  This gets in the way of corporate profits.

Most conservatives I speak are generally uneducated about these sorts of issues, and frequently fall back on corporate sound bites which they cannot explain in depth or place in any sort of contextual framework that correlates with objective reality.

So I suppose I agree with the idea that "Ignorance is bliss."

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:25:18 PM   
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No, Lam, it was an insulting and condescending comment

So why should that be a problem? You do that all the time and then justify it as being accurate because it is what you "see". Pot, meet kettle.



I guess you weren't trying to meet me half way, after all, huh?

I don't think I've ever claimed to never make a negative comment. 

But ... you still haven't quoted a single thing that I've written to match your accusations.

Like LaM ... your comments are based on your prejudices, primarily.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:28:23 PM   
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LOL,

And how does that make you feel Kain-tuck?

Happy or sad?


Ron


Neither, really, Ron.

I can separate my emotions, most of the time, from what goes on here on the forums, from the rest of my life pretty well.

I've been in plenty of forum "disagreements" in my life.  They have an ebb and flow about them.

When I have the time, and inclination, I enjoy the hell out of a little intellectual "give and take".  When I don't have the inclination, or the topic doesn't interest me, I'm generally just silent.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:28:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

This thread made me laugh more than once. 


Really? Im still waiting for the punch line.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:30:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Yeah, it was a lot harder to get them all bent out of shape when they still felt they were in the majority.  Now they're ready for combat at the drop of a hat.

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ORIGINAL: ChiBones

conservatives in the last week seem to be much angrier than liberals ......



geez ... you guys should get your act together.  Didn't you get the memo?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:30:39 PM   
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But I also see many conservatives as being more positive, having a can do spirit.



Hello A/all,

While I suppose I agree that conservatives tend to talk endlessly about their can-do spirit, the empirical evidence supporting them actually doing much that is positive with it is alarmingly slim.

They oppose safe water, it gets in the way of corporate profits. Some do.

They oppose safe food, see above. Some do.

They oppose protecting US jobs, see above. Some do, along with some Democrats.

They oppose making the minimum wage a living wage, see above. Some do.

They promote destroying the environment, protecting it gets in the way of corporate profits. Some do.

They endlessly promote little government.  But then you look at what Monkeyboy and Reagan did which is to essentially out-source big government to corporations like Halliburton.  This is not eliminating big government, it is simply adding extra layers of cost to it. Some do.

They oppose government programs like Welfare, Medicare, etc., that were initially designed to prevent people from starving to death.  The reasons given are that these programs are too wieldy to function effectively.  I would suspect this is a euphemism for corporate america wanting the Government to outsource it to them. Some do. And Clinton did a good job with Welfare reform.

They see Social Security as something which is a huge pit of money to be re-invested and stolen by incompetent or downright evil corporate America.  Failure to do this gets in the way of corporate profits. There is virtually no difference between the two parties on this, and one of the leaders against such actions is a Republican, Pete Peterson.

They support Big Pharma's and Big Medical's general attitude that health care should only be provided to those who can pay the big bucks for it.  The flip side of that coin is that Big Pharma and Big Medical do not want to have to negotiate with the Government on the cost of providing universal health care.  This gets in the way of corporate profits. Some do. And some, like Senator Grassley, have fought hard to get cheaper medicine for Americans, and to force the FDA to be more transparent in their actions.

Most conservatives I speak are generally uneducated about these sorts of issues, and frequently fall back on corporate sound bites which they cannot explain in depth or place in any sort of contextual framework that correlates with objective reality. Corporate sound bytes are as useless as non-corporate ones, ahem.

So I suppose I agree with the idea that "Ignorance is bliss."

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:31:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

This thread made me laugh more than once.  Is that wrong?


No, these threads always make me laugh. Same people, same shit, different day.


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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:32:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

This thread made me laugh more than once.  Is that wrong?


No, these threads always make me laugh. Same people, same shit, different day.



Some truth there, and I will be the first to plead guilty. Hey, got any chocolate left??  

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:32:57 PM   
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See, Firmhand, one big difference between you and me is that I don't see myself as a representative of a group.  I'm me.  You ALWAYS respond to people who disagree with you by trying to figure out what group they belong to, and then you proceed to attack the group--instead of listening to what people say and explaining why you disagree with it.

The only thing that's changed is that since last week you've gone into siege mode.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:35:40 PM   
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But I also see many conservatives as being more positive, having a can do spirit.



Hello A/all,

While I suppose I agree that conservatives tend to talk endlessly about their can-do spirit, the empirical evidence supporting them actually doing much that is positive with it is alarmingly slim.
...

So I suppose I agree with the idea that "Ignorance is bliss."



I see little empirical evidence in your post to support your views, either.

And, perhaps, you are painting with a might broad brush as well (in some circles, this is known as "prejudice").

Neither side is perfect, or faultless.  Each has their own problems and sins.

Blindness isn't restricted to just one side in the debate.

So I suppose I agree with the idea that "Ignorance is bliss."

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:36:01 PM   
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This is an easy one.
It's because conservatives don't "feel" they "think."
If you go around "feeling" all the time of course you're going to be depressed!
"Ohhhh, ........what about Darfur,.............OHHHHH, what about "Global Warming!" "Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, Ohhhhhhhhhh!!!!"
"Woe is us! Ohhhhh!"
Those people remind me of that character on "Sat. Night Live", "Debby Downer!" lol
Why go out of your way to "worry" about something you have no effect on?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:37:27 PM   
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Conservatives like to talk about how they "stand for" this or that value; all they "stand for" is to keep on fucking the environment and letting corporations get their way at taxpayers' expense. 


Implying that conservatives are corporate lackeys and are neither taxpayers or users of the air/water?

"Happiness" comes from being aware of who you are and what you can and can not do. Not having all the money you earned to spend doesn't make you happy, but being aware there is nothing you can do about it keeps you from being unhappy. Using what is left from your earnings to take care of yourself and your family in the best manner possible, brings a sense of satisfaction and happiness.

Ignorance may be blissful, but it is still ignorance. In the face of every national liberal attempt to tax and distribute the proceeds to fight poverty, fight poor education opportunity, fight homelessness, fight hunger; failing, ignorance to recognize results obviously may be un-blissful. What is liberal happiness? Is liberal bliss truly only achieved by dictating to others how to spend their money?

Comparing seems to be the motive for liberal dogma. Sometimes the comparisons span centuries to find a rationalization for making current policy. Assuming liberals are at least as honest as conservatives; liberals must have a lot more guilt to deal with effecting their happiness. They bear the sins of their fathers for 19th century slavery, 20th century prejudice, and 21st century happenstance of birth. It goes hand in hand with the liberal belief that no one is responsible for themselves. Current actions are a reaction and that can be a reaction to some real or perceived injustice that happened last week, or when applied to the liberal viewpoint of the Arab-Muslim/Israeli conflict, last millennium.

Conservatives ignorant of facts? Most of the support of increasing the minimum wage come from liberal camps. Many facts are ignored with that position. Corporate budgets for employees salaries/benefits won't change. The same money will be spread only now considering a new base. Consequences will be fewer full time benefit paying positions available, lower salary increases for existing workers, fewer positions, fewer opportunities for young unskilled uneducated workers, more opportunity for the "underground economy" including illegal immigrants whose employers do not pay into government programs such as Social Security or employer taxes. A higher minimum wage will have no negative impact on corporations. In some corporations it will have a positive effect. It will have negative effect on the very people who are blissfully ignorant to think this is a good thing for the low income worker. In the worst case the cost of the end product will increase to maintain the same level of profitability. The increase won't come from the company's side of the ledger, it will come from the consumer of those goods or services. I think in the face of these considerations it would make me very unhappy to have the liberal viewpoint that corporations are heartless, "money is god" entities. It doesn't take much of a conspiracy theorist to conclude that corporations will use this as an excuse to fire workers, or not give benefits, or to change any policy to the detriment of their workers. I can see how that thought process and frustration doesn't and can't make anyone happy.

Juggling all these facts among the rationalizations can't make you happy. Is not considering them and instead just living and working in today's world ignorant bliss or resigned contentment? At the minimum it's not blaming someone else for your situation. Maybe ultimately that makes you happy.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:38:31 PM   
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Level, I always have chocolate to share. 

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:39:42 PM   
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They just have the unfortunate insight to see the truth.  It gets frustrating.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/13/2006 12:42:46 PM   
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See, Firmhand, one big difference between you and me is that I don't see myself as a representative of a group.  I'm me.  You ALWAYS respond to people who disagree with you by trying to figure out what group they belong to, and then you proceed to attack the group--instead of listening to what people say and explaining why you disagree with it.

The only thing that's changed is that since last week you've gone into siege mode.


LOL, are you for real. You said all conservatives are ignorant, and now chastise someone for blanket statements. Double think is alive and well.

Anyway, I'm outta here. This is to stupid.

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