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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/8/2006 8:04:31 PM   
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It's the Gorean equivalent of "What up, dog?"

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/8/2006 8:34:29 PM   
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First I want to state I like Bull a lot. I had the pleasure to have exchange many pleasant messages with him and if I did not have a problem with Gorean and it was a hard limit I would have been all over him.

Of course that being said my thoughts echo Rover. I think the Gorean talk in this area is childish, illogical and full of insane fantasy. To quote Bull “That does not mean I believe a girl should through caution to the wind and not work to find that man of suitable compatability and strong character. It is my opinion that until a slutling has a collar around her throat she is free to make solid and wise decision on her own behalf.”

Lets be very honest here, that could very well be a definition for worthiness in a dictionary! Normally I compare things of this nature to lame High School cliquish behavior, but this is more like an elementary school thought. This is well once she has made up her mind I will then determine if she is worthy of me, but my ego and beliefs have a problem with this thought so lets all pretend that everything before she wanting to be owned to me does not exist once the declaration! It has no foundation in logic. The truth hurts, she judged you worthy! Period! End of story! Memory and history can not be wiped out. Born again to a new person is only symbolic not documented behavior.



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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/8/2006 8:38:16 PM   
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I show I  am worthy, whenever a slave sings to me---

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/8/2006 11:17:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx
First, the disclaimer I was mocked for; the disclaimer was mostly stated for humor, those that have posted around me lately should understand. It was simply to generate a smile. I actually don't give a damn if someone has a seperate view to mine, they are welcome to their opinion, as I am mine. You all have your own view of Goreans, if you just read and an attempt to understand me as I do you, then good questions arise. if you have a Gorean predjudice you tend to respond with a negative note or some comment or site in which I can better myself. The assault against my disclaimer is ok though, I expected chuckles and the other.



Mocked? Hardly, I was sympathizing with you. Go back and reread.

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EO

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/8/2006 11:38:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx
First, the disclaimer I was mocked for; the disclaimer was mostly stated for humor, those that have posted around me lately should understand. It was simply to generate a smile.


I do not believe you were mocked, Bull.  I think the statement was made in sympathy and also in good humor.


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As for the good questions. First understand that I believe that all females though submissive in varying degrees, are free until claimed and made property.


All living organisms with a social structure are submissive in varying degrees.  It's built into the social and survival mechanisms.  The alternative would be deadly in-group warfare, all the time, and mass decimation in the breeding population.  No species can survive that, which is why animals that can use deadly force can be socially inhibited in interspecies combat by submission signals from the loser.

You can find individuals that lack the inclination and perhaps even the effective ability to submit, and you are indeed more likely to find them along with the Y chromosone.  The inclination towards "suicide strategies" does show up far more often in the biologically expendable male of the species, especially post-breeding.

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 1:31:28 AM   
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quote:

It's the Gorean equivalent of "What up, dog?"


Okay, thanks for the answer.  I wondered if it was an abbrieviation for "to all".


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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 2:57:47 AM   
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Greetings,

Read your own signature block. I speak and leave messages the way I do for a reason and if you think your extended vocabulary is suppose to impress, well, just remember the old saying about opinions.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 3:13:19 AM   
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Tal and or greetings John,

Like I said, a free woman may do as she chooses as she is free. I will note that if she were to walk up to me and tell me "you seem a worthy fellow, I think I'd like to make you my master." This woman would be met with an empty smile and a nod of goodday. If you are bent on being found worthy, then so be it. You are welcome to live as you choose. If your intent is to trip me up on a word spin, don't bother. I get that all to often. The word worthiness, in this case it may simply be a case of semantics, but you have your beliefs and I have mine. I ws simply offering my thoughts on a subject. You and many others may in fact not like my views. There are in turn many that do. As you are asking questions, I'm attempting to answer.

Live well,

Bull 

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 3:22:52 AM   
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Hello Katylied,

I have to assume simply do to the location in a letter format that your skills of deduction would have assisted you in the meaning of "Tal". But to spell it out. It is a Gorean word for hello or greetings. When used other Goreans are aware that you at least claim yourself a Gorean. It doesn't mean we speak a secret language or have a secret hand shake. I don't speak often to dogs, so I wouldn't ask one what was up. There are many lahguages on this vast, but shrinking planet. I would bet you might have heard many different forms of greetings. I also asume that your intentions weren't simply to understand a three lettered word. But, there you have it, in case that was your intention.

Have a fine day,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 3:35:04 AM   
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Tal Extreme Owner,

If I misunderstood your intent. That was unintentional. I will say, I have no use for sympathy or pity. Thanks for your comments.The disclaimer was originally a bit of humor so that those reading would know, I understand that most will not one, understand my comments, and two even if they douse my posting here as a way to attack a prejudice of theirs. I don't hide under rocks though. It was said in a post within the Gorean threads that perhaps we should all work a bit harder at understanding one another. I am surely not the most competent or capable of the Gorean men in the threads, but I did agree and thought posting in relevent areas wouldn't hurt. Thanks again for your concern.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 3:52:56 AM   
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Tal Najakcharmer,

I didn't realize the thread was suppose to define submission. But thanks for the comments, as always your knowledge is outstanding on this issue. I agree on all points, even men submit in some reguard, even warriors have leaders. My point on submission was until a female (or to humor the gender neutral point, any individual) submitted, In my mind, THEY ARE FREE. They may do anything they wish, find whoever they wish however they want to find them. Just as so many like to point out to Goreans that we should respect their ways of living, it is my way that one that a female finding me attractive not tell me that I'm worthy. I know what I'm worthy of. Am I arrogant? Perhaps in the eys of some. Am I elementary? Well, I suppose after reading one persons post it is something to consider. I do however consider all things and all people WORTHY of consideration.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 4:10:44 AM   
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To the OP:
Since i live not terribly far away, Your profile used to pop up on the home page often.  Your previous profile was seeking very young slaves....which would explain why You were getting immature slaves to respond.  You went on to explain cultures where females are totally controlled and describes Yourself as a Daddy who will control everything and that may explain attracting females who are needy.  Okay...no flames please!  i'm not saying ALL "little girls" or young slaves are immature or needy, just that those slaves who ARE immature or needy would be attracted to You based on Your previous profile.  i see You have changed Your profile radically so You may have already learned the lesson of being careful what You ask for. 

Worthiness?  That there was ever a market for singing rubber fish on a plaque indicates that there is a huge variety of what people see as worth and value. 

Emdoub's advise was wise.  Place Yourself in real life activities where the slave You seek would more likely be found.  In other words, while it's possible to find an opera lover in a mosh pit it's much more likely to find one at the opera.


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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 4:22:51 AM   
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Greetings Toserve,

-winks at her- All over me aye? You steamy little slut!

The Gorean lifestyle itself has contradictions. I am not so full of myself to think I'm perfect or the way I live is. If I didn't have these troublesome laws of our western culture to deal with I could simply buy a girl at an auction and her having to find me worhty would be a muet point. But, alas I must infact adhere to the laws of the land or risk submitting to a bigger Buba than I. So in the place of legal rights perhaps it is a case of simple semantics where a free woman that has found me "desireable" and wishes to submit to my will kneels and humbly begs to become mine. In this TPE as it is referred to, she looses the right to judge, oh hell you all know what a TPE is. Is it simply courtesy that she does claim to have judge he who would be her master. Perhaps. You see in my lifestyle the legal world has not only restricted my rights, it's restricted my thoughts. The way I may believe. Am I superficially attempting to hold on to something impossible to have. Not if the Extremists we battle on the world stage have their way. That doesn't mean I wish them success. They also want many freedoms western man holds dear. (another thread topic) Hell, the only reason I am posting outside of the Gorean threads was to understand others, and hopefully to share my views, not spread them mind you. You either think as I do or not. Some are simply in denial, others are afraid, others to prejudice. Some just hold to much appathy to put in the effort. And that was the correct definition, but for a free submissive woman in her actions. I have a question though. Since you deemed me "worthy" enough to be all over me. Was it Gorean prejudice that stopped you? What should that tell me? Do Goreans struggle with some of their own preposed beliefs? I suppose as much as anyone does. Is it always easy to explain what is in your heart? No, so to tell me I full of insane fantasy seems easy enough. Wouls fantasy be what dreams are built on. And is it not true  that dreamers build Nations. I wonder what Franklins answer would be to this. Goofy bastard out flying a kite in a storm. I wonder if he or the likes of some many dreamers were ever chastized over their beliefs? I hope your master to be and you are doing well pretty little wench.

Serve well, as I know YOU will,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 4:30:37 AM   
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quote:

Read your own signature block. I speak and leave messages the way I do for a reason and if you think your extended vocabulary is suppose to impress, well, just remember the old saying about opinions.


Likewise, I'm sure. 


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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 5:04:02 AM   
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Tal Katylied,

Sorry about that opinion post, that actually wasn't directed at you. MY mistake. I must have just clicked on the fast reply section.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 5:05:29 AM   
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Whew.

While I realize this is not a Gorean room, I would like to point out that Bull is a visitor in this home and is due some courtesy. He speaks the way He speaks because He is who He is. He makes no apology for it and I admire that. He is Gorean, and just as non-Goreans are allowed to post on the Gorean threads, Goreans are welcome to post here.

Everyone has an opinion - it's a big world. What we could use is a little dose of tolerance and a bigger dose of understanding. I am not Gorean but I respect their choices. When Master Bull offers His opinion, it is an opportunity to ~learn~ about another lifestyle viewpoint. You can disagree (with any post including this one) of course, but there is something to be said for courtesy.

NajakCharmer often disagrees with Bull, and vice versa, but they debate in an intelligent and polite way. I like both of them very much and appreciate their views and handling of each other. We all like a good flame once in awhile but I think sometimes it can get in the way of a terrific opportunity.

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 5:19:00 AM   
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Greeting Fellow of Discipline,

Read your own signature block. I speak and leave messages the way I do for a reason and if you think your extended vocabulary is suppose to impress, well, just remember the old saying about opinions. If your intention is to help improve someones communication skills perhaps start by getting their postitive attention, to start with a subtle redicule is no way to create an attentive ear. My messages always seem to make people think, So the intent is accomplished. I do very little simply because everyone else does. I do however love to inspire thought in those who seldom think. Thanks for your opinion.

Live well,

Bull

this post was meant to redirect to the reader of intent and to clarify a bit better.

< Message edited by xBullx -- 12/9/2006 5:26:48 AM >

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 5:27:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Greetings,

Read your own signature block.


Thank you I believe I have -
 
In fact, I believe I put that writing in a space so it will appear there...
 
But, I will double check the facts and get back to you when I am sure that I am responsible for it.
 
There is always that off chance that someone snuck on line and did this to me...
 
I have a rather poor memory and will assuredly ferret out responsibility.
 
But, thank you for pointing it out to me!

quote:

 I speak and leave messages the way I do for a reason


I know -
 
And, that is truly what fascinates me... you demonstrated very emphatically that you were frustrated at people's misunderstanding of your writings
 
I thought that if you alleviated this condition of 'Schwatrzeneger Spiel' you might be capable of allowing them to understand you (at least) better - and, want to know why anyone would speak this way intentionally when there was so obvious a miscommunication going on and on.

quote:

... and if you think your extended vocabulary is suppose to impress, well, just remember the old saying about opinions.


Well -
My vocabulary is neither an 'opinion' nor meant to 'impress' anyone or anything (*although I do find innanimate objects more difficult to impress as they seem to have their minds made up about the world in general and are loathe to express themself in any way differing from what they are apparently comfortable with) 

As someone stated in a thread last week - some of us type as we think and simply use stream of consciousness writing as we go - so this disorderly mess you see is simply the way I think.

Is that why you write as you do - this is actually the way you think and communicate with others at all times? (I have an image of you speaking this way in an office situation telling the secretary to order flowers or in the field telling the men where to place the equipment which is amusing... but, then I digress)

Anyhow -
 
Because you were unable to help me with this, I posted a more complete set of questions on the "General Board" -
 
I find this means of writing to be amusing and am teasing to a certain extent (certainly), but I am seriously looking for answers 
 
I am sorry if this has put you out as you seem a generally nice guy.. and, I was hoping to get more from you than a stereotypically expected response of 'nothing'.

~J

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 5:34:16 AM   
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Ah -
 
There you go -
 
I was hoping you would catch the gaff.
 
See just above this for a response I just 'penned'.
 
And, "Joseph" is more than sufficient... no point is resting on titles where none exist.
 
~J



quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Greeting Fellow of Discipline,

Read your own signature block. I speak and leave messages the way I do for a reason and if you think your extended vocabulary is suppose to impress, well, just remember the old saying about opinions. If your intention is to help improve someones communication skills perhaps start by getting their postitive attention, to start with a subtle redicule is no way to create an attentive ear. My messages always seem to make people think, So the intent is accomplished. I do very little simply because everyone else does. I do however love to inspire thought in those who seldom think. Thanks for your opinion.

Live well,

Bull

this post was meant to redirect to the reader of intent and to clarify a bit better.


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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/9/2006 5:59:58 AM   
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quote:

Okay, I have to ask, who or what is a Tal?


Tal is a standard greeting; it means nothing more than hello

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