Rover
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ORIGINAL: xBullx Tal and or greetings John, Like I said, a free woman may do as she chooses as she is free. I will note that if she were to walk up to me and tell me "you seem a worthy fellow, I think I'd like to make you my master." This woman would be met with an empty smile and a nod of goodday. If you are bent on being found worthy, then so be it. You are welcome to live as you choose. If your intent is to trip me up on a word spin, don't bother. I get that all to often. The word worthiness, in this case it may simply be a case of semantics, but you have your beliefs and I have mine. I ws simply offering my thoughts on a subject. You and many others may in fact not like my views. There are in turn many that do. As you are asking questions, I'm attempting to answer. Live well, Bull Thanks for your reply, Bull. In return I note the following: 1. The scenario you mentioned isn't very realistic. Though to play along, I suspect that any stranger (male or female, slave or Master, Gorean, BDSM, vanilla, gay, etc.) blurting out to another stranger "you seem a worthy fellow, I think I'd like to make you my master" [or slave, or husband, or wife, or partner, etc.] would get about the same response. We'd all think they were nuts. So lets stick with a more realistic scenario, since you and I live in the real world. Let's say that two people (in this case, a Gorean slave and Master since that's what I'm trying to understand) know each other reasonably well. I understand that Gorean slaves beg a Master's collar, but it works the other way around as well. In the course of the decision making process of determining whether to beg a Gorean Master's collar (or accept the collar of a BDSM Dominant), how can it be that a slave does not consider the "worthiness" of their potential new Master? It would seem to me an impossibility, though I'm open to your interpretation as to how they would do so. 2. What I am "bent" upon doing isn't in evidence (since I haven't said anything about what I am bent upon doing). I have given you the opportunity to explain yourself, rather than make prejorative and presumptive statements about things I cannot possibly know without asking. I would expect that an honorable man would offer me the same courtesy in return. 3. My intent isn't to "trip you up" on anything. I fail to see how asking you to explain your meaning in your own words is some kind of "trap". Admittedly, you've made a theoretical statement that I do not presently comprehend. And based upon your reply, in your own words, I'll ascertain for myself whether that theory is plausible, compatible with reality, or just a bit of role play that you find personally pleasing (there's nothing wrong with role play). 4. Thus far, I'm in agreement with you that this may be a case of semantics, though I'm open to logical information you may supply. In my experience, reality dictates that short of arranged marriages or literal trade in human beings, everyone judges their potential partner's "worthiness". Even after making a commitment, I see more than a few that judge their partner "unworthy" for reasons meaningful to themselves. And I see that in all lifestyles. So I tend to trust what I see and know as realistic. If, as you and I agree may be the case, this is simply a matter of semantics, then what is the statement (paraphrasing) "Gorean slaves don't judge their Masters worthy"? It cannot be factually accurate. John P.S. - Apologies for my tardy reply. Seems my account encountered a rare anomoly in which I was denied access to the reply, quote and forward tabs.
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