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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:37:47 AM   
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Just trying to explain my thoughts and demostrate my line of reasoning and that I really wasn't trying to be offensive.


Nope.... you definitely where with out thought of trying to not be offensive......  But still you suceeded rather nicely at being offensive and arrogant......... mmmmmmmmmm maybe that would be "Thoughtless"

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:42:40 AM   
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OK people enough!!!!

Leave AquaticSub alone!!!

I had left this thread for a bit but this is rediculouse and there for I must say something.. first off I agree a lot with what AquaticSub is trying to say and i share a lot of her same confutions about this kind of thing. You all know she ment NO harm so why bash her you guys are makeing yourself look bad and melishouse and thats about it.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:52:32 AM   
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i share a lot of her same confutions about this kind of thing.


What confuses you?  That people have a relationship that doesn't fall neatly within your parameters?  I don't understand many things about others' relationships and I know with certainty that they are not the sort of relationships I would ever participate in.  People would probably say similar things about my relationship.  But if these people are entering into them, understanding the expectations, who are we to criticize their choices or assume that they are thoughtless in their submission?


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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:52:49 AM   
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So much for that theory.

Coming in a woman's ear is out by the same logic, I suppose.


While it is unlikely it would cause a pregnancy...I'm pretty sure that at least they will hear ya comin'!

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:54:22 AM   
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i share a lot of her same confutions about this kind of thing.


What confuses you?  That people have a relationship that doesn't fall neatly within your parameters?  I don't understand many things about others' relationships and I know with certainty that they are not the sort of relationships I would ever participate in.  People would probably say similar things about my relationship.  But if these people are entering into them, understanding the expectations, who are we to criticize their choices or assume that they are thoughtless in their submission?



I love it!!!

do people always have to look at things like they are negative!!

Yes it confuses me have a problem with that... well then that just sucks for you.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:56:21 AM   
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Yes it confuses me have a problem with that... well then that just sucks for you.


Your confusion or inability to open your mind does not create a problem for me.


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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 9:56:32 AM   
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So much for that theory.

Coming in a woman's ear is out by the same logic, I suppose.


While it is unlikely it would cause a pregnancy...I'm pretty sure that at least they will hear ya comin'!

OMG - - LMAO!! 

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:00:53 AM   
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Yes it confuses me have a problem with that... well then that just sucks for you.


Your confusion or inability to open your mind does not create a problem for me.



oh no my mind is open and I have condemed no one for what it is they do this isnt a case of beeing closed minded and not wanting to exept what others do. Its a matter of hearing what others do and worrying about their safety physical and mental health and that of those their actions effect!!!

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:06:15 AM   
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Yes it confuses me have a problem with that... well then that just sucks for you.


Your confusion or inability to open your mind does not create a problem for me.



oh no my mind is open and I have condemed no one for what it is they do this isnt a case of beeing closed minded and not wanting to exept what others do. Its a matter of hearing what others do and worrying about their safety physical and mental health and that of those their actions effect!!!

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There's little point worrying about what strangers get up to, MajiksSlave. They have chosen to engage in whatever they do.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:09:33 AM   
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I know agirl... but I genuanly do care about others and i worry about them even if I dont know them personaly... Master says I worry to much... and I do

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:14:06 AM   
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Anyone can be obedient whether it be for an hour, an day or a lifetime -- that's a matter of how you were raised and what you think you should do. Tell someone what to do and they do it, that happens all the time in the big old vanilla world.

Exactly..Being obedient All the time is what makes a slave. Being obedient for an hour or a day or when ever you feel like it..does not. Being obedient and the person actually liking what it is or not liking what it is is merely a offshoot, and doesn't matter. What matters is that they are obedient All the time to whatever the owner has setup as rules..guidelines..and you agreed to those when became owned. One of those rules might very well of been that you will be obedient regardless. If she/he agreed to that..then if you abide to that..then all is well. If you need alittle prompting or push to abide to that, and do..then all is well. If despite what the owner says or has layed out and you agreed upon (which generally for most is as a slave you are putting your trust in that person to guide your life, and obey their will above yours) you still make your own decision or out right defy..then your not a slave.

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think being a slave is being focused on another person first and foremost at all times and to making their life easier even if it makes your life harder or it means doing things that are unpleasant for you. It also means having foresight and a drive to actively make the owner's life easier without orders thus without the need to obey.
This is generally not possible in completeness unless that slave is obedient. They are obedient because in being so it causes those other things to happen..ie the Owner first and foremost above themeselves and their own happiness..which often only seems to apply to maybe not happy briefly in a acute situation but over all happiness remains because they are doing exactly what they must to be a slave..which is what they felt they required in life to feel alive and live.

Doing things in foresight as a slave because you think the Owner will like or enjoy it? Okay but as a slave you should be ready to accept that this very well might not fly, and doing such does not have diddly to do with being a slave. I would never go out and spend money without Masters approval to do so just because I saw this really cool neato thing that I perceived would make his life more comfortable or easier. Oh yeah you can do it..but don't expect as a slave to get that ..ohhh how thoughtful of you..hugs..etc. because it isn't always going to be the case. Having foresight within sight of what you already know the Owners wants, likes, desires, needs, and doing them..i.e. knowing to keep toilet paper on the roll, knowing what his favorite foods are and making them..knowing he prefers his coffee taste a certain way or likes to have it or soda or milk with certain meals. Thats one thing but it's within the scope of what the owner wants. You just going out on a limb on your own because you think it will make the owner happy or whatever..again, as a slave will not most likely be met with such fan faire as you think.

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Also stopping and thinking is NOT the same as not complying or balking at an order. I'd prefer that any slave of mine ask a question before they ran off to do something than have them return with something that is incorrect
This is what you prefer. Not all agree with you, and might prefer that the slave do what they were told, and if it's wrong..the owner will figure it out then. This is very individual, and part of those ground rules..guidelines..preferences that are setup. If the Owner wants the slave to ask if unsure, and the slave just goes and does, and it was wrong..the owner most probably will rectify the situation and state..from now on..if my words are unclear in meaning..come ask. Or the owner might very well say..despite the fact that this wasn't what I really wanted..the fact that you did as you were told is what I wanted, and expected from a slave, and then the slave can be shown..the situation corrected, and the slave knows from that point on when the owners says that..this is what they mean.

If it is something that has already been discussed and established as to what will be the process if xy or z happens..then there is no need to balk, stop, think, whatever you want to call it because It is already known. If a person agreed to abide to the owners will regardless of whatever may arise..then thats that. If it was more detailed i.e...should you become pregnant..you will be required to get abortions, and she agreed to that? Then is no need to balk, stop, think, whatever you want to call it because she knows.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:30:30 AM   
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I consider myself a slave, because I am owned. I do not always obey but the fact that I'm owned doesn't alter when I disobey.

You present one way of viewing slavery, yes.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:31:35 AM   
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I know agirl... but I genuanly do care about others and i worry about them even if I dont know them personaly... Master says I worry to much... and I do

Magik's slave


Yes, I think your master is right.......lol

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:36:24 AM   
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My first thought reading this post was: No matter how dedicated to the lifestyle you are, you are still a person above and beyond all else.  Some issues, like this one, obviously would cut across the dom/sub line.
I would have serious concerns about the person who did not view this situation as being one of those sort of issues. I have a hard time even wrapping my head around the practicalites of such an extreme sub raising a child on a daily basis.

I also wanted to say that those tests are not 100%, and there are a number of things that can cause false negatives.  I myself took 9 different take home tests, all coming up with false negatives, thanks to a  condition called Preclampysia .  I hate to be a doomsayer, but you should at least be aware of these things.  Just like having your period does not guarantee that you are in the clear, some lucky girls have their period all the way up to the delivery day. 



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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:38:22 AM   
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This is a case where reality interfers with fantasy. Assuming you were pregnant you would have been in a position where you would have to think and make decisions independent of your so called dom because you would have to make choices for a potential new life. Simply letting your dom make the decisions is a decision in itself and a denial of your responsibility as a potential mother. If I was able to get pregnant, I can't for the life of me imagine my letting a partner make all the decisions for the new life that was growing inside me. I would discuss it and take note of my partner's wishes, maybe even think his ideas were more appropriate but it would be me that made the ultimate decision. It really can't be any other way, no matter what the pretence of the relationship is.

If he was suggesting adoption, he wasn't really interested in the child but more interested in remaining child free. His willingness to look after the child in that light is a fall back position he would rather be without. I don't see it any other way. I would suggest, just make sure you don't get pregnant in the first place. You can carry on with your fantasy then.


  I agree with meatcleavers post, and wanted to emphasize the part that i highlighted in bold.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:51:34 AM   
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OK people enough!!!!

Leave AquaticSub alone!!!

I had left this thread for a bit but this is rediculouse and there for I must say something.. first off I agree a lot with what AquaticSub is trying to say and i share a lot of her same confutions about this kind of thing. You all know she ment NO harm so why bash her you guys are makeing yourself look bad and melishouse and thats about it.

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*chuckles* Thanks for the back-up. I've issued an apology and admitted numerous times I used the wrong wording. I didn't intend to offend and I'm sorry I did. Perhaps in our modern society a sincere apology is so rare that no one believes I actually mean it. It's a shame really.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:53:58 AM   
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Just like having your period does not guarantee that you are in the clear, some lucky girls have their period all the way up to the delivery day. 



I know, I know one of those girls personally. However, that is generally runs in families and the only thing that runs in my family as far as conception is having a lot of trouble getting pregnant!

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 10:57:20 AM   
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Simply letting your dom make the decisions is a decision in itself and a denial of your responsibility as a potential mother.



That is an excellent point. Being someone's slave does not remove the responsibility you have to a child. I have always known that when I became a mother my first loyalty would have to fall to my child, for they did not consent to be born or to enter this world. Any dominant who didn't agree with me on this would simply have to find another submissive. I would be quite upset if I got punished because I couldn't do the groceries or some other task if a little one needed to be tended to!

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 11:21:20 AM   
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Parents can and some do pressure adult children too. Some parents will never butt out unless you cut them out of your life, and some adult children just are that manipulateable.

Just because you're 18 and you're an adult doesn't mean mom and dad won't try to pressure you into what they feel is right. adult does not mean parents simply butt out now. It should, but it don't always.
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would parent pressure or such even be a factor? I thought we were discussing the actions of adults [/quote

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 11:23:49 AM   
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and when you disobey..are you then prompted/disciplined/punished what have you in order to correct that which you disobeyed? Does this then correct it so that you don't go and do it again or even want to? If it does..then all is well. If you defiantly go and do it again knowing it is against the wishes/will of your owner..well then think it's obvious what I think.

Slaves will be disobedient to things they do not know until they are taught. Once they are taught however, if they continue to be disobedient in that same area..well then think it is obvious what I think.

So if the part about :" If you need alittle prompting or push to abide to that, and do..then all is well" was not missed in the previous post..What you are then telling me is that you can be a slave and do whatever it is you want..when you want..regardless of what the Owners will would be. Does that about sum it up? If that is the case..whats your purpose of saying you are owned or a slave? Really because the only thing I understand that if I willfully go against the Owner..then it's not going to be a pretty sight, and there is no doubt that if I went and did it again after correction that I'd no longer be his slave..period. That no longer being his slave=living death in my eyes because I didn't come to be a slave because I thought it was a fun, nifty, coolies thing to just run out and do. It is most definetely only my idea of what the word "slave" means and it is most definetely Not based off of bdsm, or the Gor fiction books.

I honestly do respect other persons rights to disagree and voice their views. I don't however, have to respect what their views or opinions are, and would not expect it from them. I do respect daddysprops view on this because it aligns with my own, and as is generally the case in most things ..it's that identification of things that tends to make us agree or disagree with any given subject matter.

Back to the womb. If it was agreed to be discussed if such should happen..then so be it. If  it was agreed such and such would happen if "said" thing happened, and you follow that..then so be it. If your Owner says he/she doesn't own your womb, and it's up to you to make that final decision..then so be it..you are being in accordance to what they wished/want regardless. If they said no children, and you come up pregnant, and they stick with what they said, and you don't agree? Then guess your going one way and they are going another, and child support matters ensue. If you are going another way..then guess your no longer their slave are you?

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