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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 11:56:22 AM

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I'd actually be the one refusing to marry. I refuse to marry someone simply because we had an accidental pregnancy. I don't believe in marrying someone simply cause ya made a child on accident. Now if you love them and were going to marry anyway yeah, ok.

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if i were you i would not have childern by someone who does not love you and the baby enough to marry you. mons

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 12:04:26 PM

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*chuckles* Thanks for the back-up. I've issued an apology and admitted numerous times I used the wrong wording. I didn't intend to offend and I'm sorry I did. Perhaps in our modern society a sincere apology is so rare that no one believes I actually mean it. It's a shame really.

I think some are having difficulty with the sinceretiy of the apology because you state once that prop is thoughtless or without thought in her submission and someone points out that is insulting and is probably not accurate. You come back and say that you didn't intend to be insulting. However, I saw at least four additional posts where you continued to use the same wording and phrasing despite now knowing that it is insulting to some.

I personally find it difficult to believe someone is sincere in their apology if they keep repeating the same behavior that warranted the apology in the first place.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 1:30:40 PM

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The whole mess got me thinking though: What if I had been? Who decides what to do? My dominant was willing to do what felt right for me, though he wouldn't marry me. He would help support the child and be a father if I chose to keep it, but he was suggesting putting it up for adoption as well. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do but still I can't help wondering. As a submissive/slave would you do whatever your dominant/master told you to do in this situation, or would you have to make the choice yourself and try to do what you thought was right for the child? As a dominant/master would you give an order or would you let her decide? Would you be supportive of the choice, even if it wasn't one you agreed with?

To me, it seems as though there's a contract between slave and Master. It would be a section of this.

In my relationships, I own my slave. Her body and all. It would be my decision. However, I'm sure there are many relationships which are not this complete in control. I would hazard to guess most aren't of this nature.

Of course, there is the whole debate about abortion and such. Personally, as a scientist, I'm on the "pro-life" side, citing the young creature as a parasitic lifeform interalized in the mother. Trust me- I can make quite the arguement of this- but this isn't the time nor place.

Oh, as for care? Yes, yes I would care for my slave and our child as well. She's my property. I'm not giving her up over something so silly. We're both young- even younger than you and your mate (though we're both 18+, so no flames.. tired of those). I can easily see the issue with a child so early on. Still, the whole abandon-her-with-a-baby thing has always seemed so incredibly irresponsible to me I wouldn't be able to look an individual in the eye if he were to contemplate such a thing. Abortion also makes me sick to my stomach. Putting the child up for adoption, while having many cons, would be something that could be considered- if need be. Caring for a child would be the ideal route, even if it would be a strain.

It is my view point that bringing a new life into this world is a major responsiblity that one should not undertake early on.. however, if one should come across it, making a quick clean kill of the offspring or abandoning it to a single mother would be irreprehensible. Should an alternative loving home be found for the child, that would be acceptable.

I've said too much, and far more than I've meant to. Just.. shirking childcare through just killing the child.. always puts such a bad taste in my mouth.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 1:55:45 PM

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At least you are aware of that, I know I wasn't and had a bit of a shock of my life. I really should play the lottery.

Wishing you the best of times :)

Pix

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 2:06:59 PM

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as you should know, it's an Owner's perogative to do whatever the heck they want to do with their slave. if they want to line strange men up by the hundreds and have them each screw their slave unprotected, then abort when the slave becomes pregnant and then proceed to do it all over again the following week, that's their right. it may not be what you personally consider to be ethical or moral, but a Master does not have to be these things.
as for my own situation, my Master did take sole responsibility for my being pregnant, as he takes sole responsibility for anything that happens to me under his will.

I have to completely disagree with this statement. This is why you have to be very careful in choosing your Dominant, unless, of course, you have already decided that you do not care what happens to yourself. In my opinion, a "Dominant" who does not care about the health of his/her subs/slaves is not someone that needs to be in control of another person. Lining a slave up, so hundreds of strange (unprotected) men can screw her brains out would not only be unethical, but it's irresponsible and dangerous. Especially when the risk of AIDS or Hep or the plathora of other diseases running rampant these days. Remember, folks, there's no cure for most of those things. Pregnancy would be the least of your problems.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 2:35:01 PM

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*chuckles* Thanks for the back-up. I've issued an apology and admitted numerous times I used the wrong wording. I didn't intend to offend and I'm sorry I did. Perhaps in our modern society a sincere apology is so rare that no one believes I actually mean it. It's a shame really.

I think some are having difficulty with the sinceretiy of the apology because you state once that prop is thoughtless or without thought in her submission and someone points out that is insulting and is probably not accurate. You come back and say that you didn't intend to be insulting. However, I saw at least four additional posts where you continued to use the same wording and phrasing despite now knowing that it is insulting to some.

I personally find it difficult to believe someone is sincere in their apology if they keep repeating the same behavior that warranted the apology in the first place.

Knight's kyra

If you will go back and read the posts I was using the same word over and over to try and explain my choice of the word and my feelings, while continuing to say that thoughtless was a poor choice of words.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 2:37:49 PM

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At least you are aware of that, I know I wasn't and had a bit of a shock of my life. I really should play the lottery.

Wishing you the best of times :)

Pix

Yeah... the human body does some crazy things. I finally got the missing period today. I guess stress from finals was making it late, which, ironically, made it just about impossible to study because I was too worried I might be pregnant!

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 3:03:44 PM

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To no one in particular but it shocks me in the worst way that aparently many couples don't discuss these scenarios.

Unless all partners have had their reproductive organs removed, it seems quite naive not to talk about these 'what if' situations. Most couples will at some point have to deal with this, it's beyond me that people aren't discussing this (and other life altering scenarios) before they are in a position where it may happen.

I have this talk with every potential partner, his views have everything to do with whether or not I will sleep with him.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 3:07:20 PM

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Just as a side note, if you have consenting adults engaging in any activity with other consenting adults, for me personally, what's 'ethical' or 'moral' is up for interpretation.

Every time you judge another's choices remember that millions would feel disgusted by the life you've chosen...it's all relative in the end.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 3:28:35 PM

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Does anyone else have thoughts of throwing them all into a pit of oil, naked, and letting them "work" out their differences? Hmm... maybe it's just me. *evil grins*

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 3:46:05 PM

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As another side note: There has to be a line somewhere in what we'll accept and what we won't. While I realize that not everyone follows the mantra "Safe, Sane, and Consentual," I really have to question the integrity of someone who gives no thought at all for the welfare of their charge just for the sake of having "their will be done." I know that doesn't change things; people will do what they want without regard for others opinions, and in most cases, that's well and good. I do what I want, but I draw the line when my slaves health comes into question. I have a hard time accepting that there are those that do not reconsider when the health of their slave is in danger.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 3:49:39 PM

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You're making a really huge leap to suggesting that the doms in question here do not take those things into consideration.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 4:48:03 PM

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reofbl
thats a good question who decides the activity ;the top or bottom; geez; i never even thot of it like that;i'm sorry to say: i gave the impression of don't waste my time, if you are not all ridgid top dominate;oh cripes;i'm ,not suposed, to be the one ,that decides!
thanks, for the consciousness raizing....

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 6:04:17 PM

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To no one in particular but it shocks me in the worst way that aparently many couples don't discuss these scenarios.

Unless all partners have had their reproductive organs removed, it seems quite naive not to talk about these 'what if' situations. Most couples will at some point have to deal with this, it's beyond me that people aren't discussing this (and other life altering scenarios) before they are in a position where it may happen.

I have this talk with every potential partner, his views have everything to do with whether or not I will sleep with him.

You are assuming that simply talking about the situation before will resolve all the problems. While this isn't addressed to me, I feel that I should point out (as it has been stated here before) things changes when actually confronted with the actuality of a child. Emotions change and outside factors (loss of a job, loss of a home, etc.) can also change things as well.

It's good that you are talking to your partners and it is silly, perhaps even irresponsible, to not discuss these things beforehand, but that discussion should be set in stone. Things change and often people (particularly women are filled with baby hormones) don't react as expected.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 6:05:33 PM

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Does anyone else have thoughts of throwing them all into a pit of oil, naked, and letting them "work" out their differences? Hmm... maybe it's just me. *evil grins*

Could be fun. *chuckles* Though I don't really think anyone wants to see my butt naked.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 6:10:10 PM

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I'm speaking mainly from personal experience on this one, where I was just floored that people are willing to sleep together without ever even posing the question, "What would you want to do if we got pregnant?"

Nowhere in there am I saying it has to be set in stone or a contract signed before you have sex, but it's pretty ridiculous that many don't ever speak of these thinsg until someone's peed on a stick, know what I mean?

I didn't even read the majority of the thread, which is why I said it's directed toward nobody in particular, and my view's largely based on people I actually know/have known.

Not sure if you took offense, just wanted to be clear or what, but hope that explained my post either way.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 6:17:47 PM

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I'm speaking mainly from personal experience on this one, where I was just floored that people are willing to sleep together without ever even posing the question, "What would you want to do if we got pregnant?"

Nowhere in there am I saying it has to be set in stone or a contract signed before you have sex, but it's pretty ridiculous that many don't ever speak of these thinsg until someone's peed on a stick, know what I mean?

I didn't even read the majority of the thread, which is why I said it's directed toward nobody in particular, and my view's largely based on people I actually know/have known.

Not sure if you took offense, just wanted to be clear or what, but hope that explained my post either way.

Nah, I'm not offended. I've commented on here half a dozen times that "No really, we did talk about it. A year ago when we were vanilla and we weren't really serious." Then it was my choice and now it's our choice, if that makes sense.

I understand not talking about it first in some circumstances. I've had some one-night stands in my hayday of sex and if I had gotten pregnant by them, all I would want from them was money to help with the abortion, adoption fees, or child support. I would have made the choice by myself.

Now, speaking as the woman who gets to legally make the choice, that strategy works. But from a man's point of view, you are so right it's not funny. Men really should make a point of discussing it because, legally, they can't decide or protest or anything and they are stuck with whatever she decides.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 6:40:54 PM

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General Reply, read some of the thread not all.

I view it this way, rights should be given away before one says they are a slave. I get the feeling people just say poof I'm a slave, and don't even define it. Like giving away free time rights, giving away sexual rights, giving away reproductive rights, giving away employment rights, giving away dress rights etc... and specific limits on those rights.
I find it hard to believe people would enter into "slavery" and just profess themselves a slave without talking about what that means or limits on those. That's thoughtless in my opinion. My personal view is if it wasn't discussed before entering slavery then it's not a right that was given away. So, a talk would be in order to clarify who has the decision making ability in that area.

But if a person said they are a slave with no limits, well I guess the master would have the right to decide.

I'm loathe to see how this wouldn't be discussed beforehand though. Limits aren't a new concept nor contracts.

So, those rights given to the Master should be reflexive when the slave is asked to do something he has the rights to, what the slave thinks shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not they do it, they can think all they want how to do it, but thought isn't required to set the goal. I think that is what AquaticSub is getting at. One doesn't need to think about accepting the command just how to do it. (Thoughtless in evaluating whether to obey, thoughtful in how to carry it out).

IMHO

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 7:03:07 PM

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Glad you didn't take it personally, wasn't meant to be. I don't know how men are so typically nonchalant about it all in the first place either. In general, it seems men only care about the topic if they're in a committed relationship, it's like they don't at all even contemplate the possibility of pregnancy unless they're "together" with a woman...it's just ridiculous, both the men and the women involved. Makes me want to just smack some people in a line up one by one.

I've lectured my friends to death and beyond on this one, happy to say a few have taken it up as a "must" discussion. A bit too late for some, but as they say, better late than never...better sooner than later, it oughta be, but hey, willing to settle

The rest though...just keep doing what they're doing. Maybe now I see where people get angry about others' choices, here are two consenting adults agreeing to fuck without braincells, and it makes me upset...

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/10/2006 7:11:15 PM

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The rest though...just keep doing what they're doing. Maybe now I see where people get angry about others' choices, here are two consenting adults agreeing to fuck without braincells, and it makes me upset... lol

I understand getting mad about it. In high school I used to carry condoms around. Not for me - I stayed a virgin till college. I bought and handed them out like candy to anyone would take them.

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