Focus50
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Joined: 12/28/2004 From: Newcastle, Australia Status: offline
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ORIGINAL: Rover People without references dismiss their value for personal, not logical reasons (ie: they don't have them, so they denigrate them). But the BDSM community has a long tradition and history of using references, because they do provide meaningful information. Nice job of putting the cart before the horse! I'd argue the opposite, that people (such as yourself) who advocate the value of references see themselves as superior and sanctimonious, like you're on a higher level that all should strive to attain. Thus you dismiss us non believers as denigrating you. But ok, maybe this is more a chicken and egg argument.... quote:
1. References from recognized groups, organizations, communities, etc. can be authenticated. As opposed to references from unknown individuals whose authenticity cannot be ascertained (in fact, the stranger writing you may even be the individual you're checking on writing to you from a different email address). A references "sub-group" now, for known and unknown individuals...? quote:
2. These references can authenticate an individual's personal history. It separates fact from fiction, and most people find it helpful to know (early on) whether someone is lying to them or not. Did you really say that - "authenticate an individual's personal history"??? Sorry mate, but some of us happen to think "personal" means NOT for publication! Or anybody else's business - need to know basis only! quote:
3. References can authenticate whether an individual's skill set is derived from community demos, workshops, dungeons, and interaction with real people, versus the internet (often from anonymous sources), magazines, books and interaction with inanimate objects. Some people will find this information valuable in discerning whether they will be someone's partner, or guinea pig. Ahh yes, a personal favourite.... You're only genuine if you've played publically. It's all about the play, not the personal intimacy. And contrary to popular belief, many of us use the Internet as a means of communication rather than the environment we live our relationships in. quote:
4. References can authenticate an individual's reputation within the community. Most reputations are well earned, and some people will find it helpful to know how an individual has come to be thought of in that way (good or bad). The most spectacular flaw of ALL references! Just exactly how many people offer references from anyone likely to say something negative? quote:
5. References can authenticate that an individual socializes real time with other lifestylers. Some people may want/need that socialization, others may not. Denying the value of socialization denies the very existence and popularity of boards like this. And what if they're not interested in socialising with other lifestylers beyond their personal relationships? That's a red flag now? quote:
6. Since the past is a predictor (though not a guarantor) of the future, these references can indicate that an individual will continue to benefit from the resources provided by their local community. And don't forget to compile a lifestyle/personal relationship CV while you're at it. Should make for great entertainment.... quote:
Like you, I (and the vast majority of folks I know) are more than happy to provide references where there is a mutual interest in getting to know one another. They provide a level of credibility at that crucial stage in which someone could be creating a fictitious persona and personal resume. I know, that would be a rareity online, wouldn't it? Yikes, there it is - "personal resume"!!!! Is it really so difficult to grasp that D/s or M/s is the dynamic by which many of us prefer to live our personal and *private* lives and relationships? That even if there were a local community or dungeon where I lived, I still wouldn't be interested strutting about with slave(s) in tow for others to judge and validate my bona fides? By all means feel sanitised and superior for living a mutually referenced lifestyle but doing anything publically leaves anyone open to "denigration", so learn to accept the consequences, too! But pardon me if I don't feel the least bit soiled, inadequate or inferior as a consequence of my personal choices. Focus.
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