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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Consistent with your posting history, you offer the narrowest of narrow views on this subject.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha



Putting yourself into the mind of a femdom for a moment, what do you think would be some of the enjoyable aspects/erotic aspects/pleasurable aspects of engaging with feminization with a man who already dresses and identifies as a sissy? What are the fun or erotically-charged exchanges like? What would she get out of it? This is not a facetious question. I really want to know what you believe a femdom gets out of this.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The fact is a femdom could be with a "cd" and never do any dressing if they had a strong enough connection, and as was noted earlier, a femdom turned off by CDing might reconsider her proclivities with the right person.

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ORIGINAL: FemmeOwner

This is my stand on the subject as well. Now I have met sissies/CDs who were *very* submissive... but they identify as sissy/CD and expect to be treated (read: catered to) as such. No matter HOW submissive they may be, they're gone if you don't let them cross dress. I hardly call that "depths of submission" would you??? Being dressed as fem is their *primary* motivation, and their first priority. Frankly, I want and expect my slave's first priority to be ME!

Secondly, not to put too fine a point on it, I am looking for a slave whom I am attracted to. You know... physically :) And I like men. Men who look like men. I just don't find CD's attractive, no matter how cutesy their clothes.

Third, for me, half the fun of D/s is in the mind fuck, and the sissies/CDs I've met are far too wrapped up in thinking about being submissive through their dress, to even notice the little nuances that give me such pleasure.

Now, I don't mean this as any kind of indictment. I have nothing against sissies or CD's, etc. I just don't want to *own* one, as my personal choice.

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

The fact is a femdom could be with a "cd" and never do any dressing if they had a strong enough connection, and as was noted earlier, a femdom turned off by CDing might reconsider her proclivities with the right person.

Prime example of this - our boy crossdresses from time to time. However, as I pointed out in the other thread, I feel there is a serious difference between a crossdresser and a self-identified sissy. This thread is about sissies (recheck the title if you're confused) and I have absolutely no desire to have a relationship with a sissy. The behavior of sissies is, IMO, entirely too annoying and self-centered to be that of a submissive. I haven't noticed such a problem in crossdressers, or in transgendered people - yes, they want to be allowed to be themselves, but they aren't trying to push who/what they are in others' faces. I sometimes feel as though sissies are all trying to shout "look at me, look at me, I'm so cute in my frilly dresses, I must be submissive because I'm wearing a frilly dress, you must like me because I'm in a frilly dress" - whereas my transgendered and crossdressing friends are much more matter of fact and ... I don't know, unobtrusive about it ... more of a "this is who I am, I hope you like it" feeling instead of them trying to shout it out to everyone in earshot.

I understand the need to have compatable kinks, and that the kink isn't the person - but when talking with a sissy, it's very difficult to get them to talk about anything else in terms of D/s, service, interests, etc - so it seems very much as though the kink is the person. It gets old ... really old ... really fast.

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ORIGINAL: MsVeruca

Here's my take:  I feel it's an insult to women. A man is being asked to dress up as a woman in order to be humilitated and emasculated. That implies that being a woman is somehow a negative thing and lacks power (or even strips one of power). I feel the opposite is true. Women are centers of immense power. So, when I see someone being "punished" or that they want to feel "less" by assuming a feminine role, I get irritated and annoyed.

I agree.  If a friend of mine were either in a drag show or really into them, I'd tag along.  However, there's something about the high-camp poking fun at depictions of women that sets my teeth on edge.    I confess to having a few books on sissy maid training and cross-dressing, but that's primarily to teach myself how to walk in high heels. 

This isn't to say that I'd be completely against femming up a sub.  If I thought the result would be asthetically pleasing, heck yes.  There are some men who look damn good in a frock that fits them properly, and others who can pass.  That I could get into.  Lifting the skirt of a classic lil' black dress and letting my hands wander?  It's an attractive idea.

But just in general?  No.  Most of the guys I see who dress as sissies actually look as though they were forced into the clothes:  they don't look comfortable, they don't look happy, they don't look good.  They look as though they're waiting for something magical to happen, and thus look a little desperate.  meh.