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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 4:19:10 PM   
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In addition to what others here have stated,

I suggest that you keep in mind that you have had a long time to come to terms with your life choices.... she needs time as well. Do not force it down her throat. Let her "slowly" come to terms with it and if she never does.... shit happens, she does not rule your life now lol

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 4:25:18 PM   
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When my sister recently asked me if I was into that kinda stuff " you know leather and chain"
I just chuckled and said.. I ride motorcycle for over 15years of course I am ..........
She just gave me a go to hell look and went on to whatever she does....
*wicked grin*
on days like that I realy love being scootertrash .......and of course a samie sub

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 4:30:28 PM   
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Here are my answers.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

How do you describe BDSM to people who are vanilla?

BDSM means "Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism", in my definition of all four. If you don't like it, that's your beef - I like it, and you either need to accept it, or move on.
I don't judge your life, I don't expect you to judge mine.

quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

What do you say in response to the people who say it is abuse or make any other unfounded comments?


Abuse is only if you're not asking for it, and it's undeserving. If the two people that are involved consent to it, is it really abuse?

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

What sort of dumb things have you heard about BDSM?

It's Sadistic, and it's wrong in the eyes of the Lord. My reply to that is - God doesn't judge you for what you do and say, why would he judge me for what I do and say?
It's my problem, not yours - next topic, please.

To me, talking about BDSM to vanilla people is like talking about politics or religion in a crowded room at a party.
It isn't mentioned.
It's sexual orientation
you either accept it or you don't ~
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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 4:39:58 PM   
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I dont, unless I have to. The only real explination I have had to ake was to my younger brother. He is familiar with my lifestyle, in general but he didnt understand my relationship with Angel exactly. He was stragely OK with my sexual kinks and such, ut the idea of Angel being my baby and not a BDSM playmate wierded him out. For now, my explination of, its just how it worked out we didnt plan it that way has worked. When I was getting ready to move, the only question he had to ask was "So, does this make me a brother in law or an uncle?"

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 4:49:08 PM   
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Much like I handle my own anti religion and personal spiritual views and beliefs.

I talk about it with people who have the capacity to understand.

I dont shove it down the throats of people who cant or try and convert them to my way of thinking.

I dont allow my views and way of life to be swayed simply because people have different opinions than mine or disrespect them for having them.

I find comfort in the fact that someone somewhere is going to find something derogatory to say about anything you do whether its cooking, crochet, or enjoying hurting people.

D/S is easier to explain to S/M. Some of my macho buddies who have figured it out to some degree think I am the shit.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 4:52:44 PM   
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We tell the truth. But we do not go into great detail. We explain the basis of our relationship and some of how it works. But do not go into alot of sexual or true lifestyle info.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 5:08:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bayboundse

But do not go into alot of sexual or true lifestyle info.


Could you tell me? Please? I have been trying to find out the true lifestyle info for awhile.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 5:17:42 PM   
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Princess to Princess,
  I like to let the vinnillas see some outfits and sexier the better, Tell them they can have thier first dream, when they actaully realised that bdsm/kink exsisted, come to life. I show some toys to the vinnillas.
I also think the mind is the most erogenous zone on any human. vinnilla or otherwise.
   Its like hunting with a salt lick, use what bait people need for thier imagination to grow. Shinney corsets, pretty bustiers, stockings. And leather comes next, all men love leather.... on them, with a toy or on ther females. Whips are a fun show and tell.
Im pretty open about mine lifestyle.
Funniest reaction I have had was from an  gov.officer doing a clearence on me.
That is all together a different thread.
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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 5:34:17 PM   
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I don't see any reason to inform people about the dynamics of master and my relationship and I really dont get why some people need to "confess" to other people...wanting acceptance possibly I suppose?

We've got my son living with us at the moment (he's 24), we dont keep the bedroom door closed, there is a crop sitting beside the bed, there are cuffs attached to it, he hasn't said a thing. I think the main thing that is obvious to him is that Master and I have a loving playful relationship..what more is there to explain? We don't do any heavy stuff while he is in the house, we do that out of respect for just the fact that there is someone else in the house, just as we wouldnt have sex on the loungeroom floor if there were people around..its no biggie...and nothing again to explain.

There are certain things that are obvious about Master and my relationship to the people who know us, I quite freely admit to being "submissive" to my partner..its a word that most people can understand. Master quite freely expressses how "obedient" and "submissive" I am to his workmates (he comes home and tells me they are all jealous).

I don';t have any urge whatsover to go and shout from the rooftops "Im a slave'...I don't see the point.

Was just thinking of another thing, my late husband knew I had been a slave within a BDSM context previously, he never ever changed his opinion that I was in an abusive relationship..its the "words" people get caught up in...just choose them wisely and talk to people in a way they can relate..thats the mastery of good conversation :)

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 5:53:04 PM   
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I don't explain it to people. I have told my therapist but that's because she needs to know. We don't talk in detail about it because that's not really what I'm working on with her.

However having teens they have asked questions. I compare s & m to food. My oldest won't eat anything with spice and my youngest pours Frank's Red Hot on everything except dessert. So just as they don't share the same taste in food, different people share different tastes in terms of the sense of touch, not just the sense of taste.

D/s has not come up, but there I would just say as when they have to work in groups one person always seems to take the lead, that can happen in interpersonal relationships also.

If a bruise was apparent with fingermarks, I guess I would just say that sex got a little rough but it was worth it. That's as much detail on my sex life as I would ever share anyway.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 5:55:05 PM   
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i have learned to not even try to explain it anymore  Most people have made up their minds already and regardless of what is said will not be open to it.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 6:05:00 PM   
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If they ask, I tell them the truth. If they can't handle the truth, then it's no longer my issue but theirs.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 6:29:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

How do you describe BDSM to people who are vanilla?
What do you say in response to the people who say it is abuse or make any other unfounded comments?
What sort of dumb thinks have you heard about BDSM?






I don't describe BDSM to those who are vanilla.   There are a hundred zillion websites and I would refer them to google search and tell them to take the safety filter off. 
In response to callous remarks about my lifestyle, well, it's never happened but I would probably be sarcastic and reply with
A. Opinions are like assholes
B.  You really are missing out on some awesome foreplay
C.   Would I have this smile on my face if I were being abused?
I tend to tune out dumb comments.  I can't really think of any.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 6:31:55 PM   
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I give as much information as I think they can handle. I have only 'come out' to two people thus far---my mother and my best friend.  In both cases, it was because they saw some bruising and thought I was being abused. With my mother, I told her very little.  She was going ballastic.  She said I was allowing men to treat me like trash.  (Little did she know that turned me on   )  I told her I was happy and making my own adult choices.  I told her a lot of people do different things for adrenaline rushes and at least I was jumping out of planes.  (To me jumping out of a plane seems a lot crazier than letting a guy spank me?)  It still didn't really calm her, but she backed off a little bit. With my best friend, she is fairly open minded.  So with every question she asked I gave her a specific answer.  I think she was fascinated.  After a week of talking about it, she wanted me to tie her up!  She was relieved that I wasn't being abused and just thinks it's funny as hell that I choose to do whatever my boyfriend tells me.  I think she's also a little jealous of our sex life ha ha. It's like everything else in life...some people will react positively and some people will react negatively.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 6:52:55 PM   
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Anyone who knows me knows if they dont want the truth dont ask, because I wont sugar coat anything and I will say exactly what I feel and know.

That being said, my Mother knows Master and I are not in a "normal" relationship but does not ask nor do I offer.  My close friends know I am kinky and know I like weird things, but they dont ask for detail anymore than I want to know the in and out of how they have sex.

Our kids dont know, anymore than my parents had sex.  That is normal so far as I think with any parent and child.  If my kids decide to poke around our bedroom then they will have a surprise, they are both teenagers and should know better than to go into our private space.  Our implements of pleasure are hidden away, but not locked up.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/19/2007 11:32:07 PM   
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How do you describe BDSM to people who are vanilla?  I don't discuss BDSM with vanilla folk.
What do you say in response to the people who say it is abuse or make any other unfounded comments? Again, I don't discuss BDSM with vanilla folk
What sort of dumb thinks have you heard about BDSM?  see above.

How do people keep finding out about your interest in BDSM, only my (vanilla) ex-husband has any inkling of my interest.


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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/20/2007 8:58:38 AM   
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I take on board all that people have said about avoiding this! That said, I have had success in the past by explaining it more from the point of view of the power exchange. It's highly probable that there was some form of power exchange in your parents' relationship. It's also highly probable that most if not all of this was "under the table" and involved a fair bit of pulling and pushing the power back and forth. You can probably use some of these things to explain the idea of power exchange. Then you explain that D/s involves putting the power exchange on the table and openly negotiating who controls what. And that while bdsm appears to be about "whips, chains and abuse" it's not, there's much more to it, and that what is done has been the subject of open negotiations. It's helped Me in the past, hope it helps you! But in the long run, your Mum might just have to accept you as you, and as long as you are a happy and fulfilled individual, what's not to like! However, it is also true that they never stop being your Mum!
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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/20/2007 10:10:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I have a long running history of people finding out I like BDSM, and then making a long series of unfounded and incredibly dumb remarks therein.

1. You're going to be in an absuive relationship and you'll get beaten every day until one day he kills you!
2. Only chauvanists are into BDSM.
3. BDSM is wrong and it's abuse!
4. People who like BDSM  have to force people because they can't get any elsewhere.
5. This is only a self abuse phase, you imagine that you like it, but you really don't.

You know what sort of comments I'm talking about, I'm sure you've all heard them at one point in time.

So, here are my questions:

How do you describe BDSM to people who are vanilla?
What do you say in response to the people who say it is abuse or make any other unfounded comments?
What sort of dumb thinks have you heard about BDSM?









I know what you mean, and I've dealt with the same sort of questions and accusations coming from the other side, especially from my family members.  And don't let a black person find out, they will push it even farther out of proportion.  They hear the word "slave" and start thinking "cotton" if you know what I mean.
The first thing you need to do is be very gentle with the terms you use around ignorant people.  Start by saying you're "submissive", and if they don't understand and you know they are going to go overboard, just say, "You wouldn't understand".  This way, if they get all uppity about it, you can say, "In essence I'm a willing sex slave" and when they get upset you say, "see, I told you that you wouldn't understand." and thats that.  But let me give you some answers to your specific questions now:

How do you describe BDSM to people who are vanilla? Generally, I start out saying that in every relationship, whether it's a homosexual or straight, there is always a dominant partner, even if it's not admitted.  Most people will immediately argue with this and I'll point out the dominant partner in their relationship.  Once you've done that, usually they will admit you're right on that point.
You then point out that BDSM simply doesn't mask the fact of who's Dominant and who's submissive.  It's in essence, a more honest type of relationship, and thus mentally better for the person.  Explain that it's NOT all about kinky sex(which is what they will certainly at first think) but that occasionally such things do occur.  By the time you've explained this, they will be a little better educated regarding BDSM, and won't have nearly so many arguments.  If they say "But you deserve better then to be someone's slave", tell them you don't.  Actually, you deserve to have what you want, and you want to be "someone's slave", and to not be would not be getting what you want, but rather what someone else wants.  I'd say that answers that.
What do you say in response to the people who say it is abuse or make any other unfounded comments? Simply say that they are wrong first.  Explain that if any physical pain ensues, it is completely by your permission, and not like an abusive man or woman's violent rages.  Pain delivered by a Dom is a honed skill and is designed not to do any permanent or overly devistating(like a broken bone) damage.  They generally know how to use any tool they use on you proficiently, and they know what NOT to do with it.  Also, what a Dom does is always to be understood before you ever begin service.  He doesn't rule his submissive through fear.  He rules her because she likes what he does to and with her.  An abused woman is to scared to go to the police if she's abused and you can generally see the mental damage the abuse caused.  This is not the same, and if you look, most submissives are very happy with their place at their masters side.  They generally pick up a catlike quallity that is noticable(SP?) to anyone passing.  I'm sure you've noticed if you've watched even a harshly trained submissive.  If they are happy with their lot, they show it very openly through their attitude towards others who are not their master.
What sort of dumb thinks have you heard about BDSM? I've heard that it's a sin first off(from my mother of course).  I've heard that wanting to be a Dom is abusive and only sex predators like it.  I've heard that we're all abusive.  I've heard that bondage causes disease(I know.  What an idiot!).  I've heard that submissives all have mental problems and thats why they want to have a master, and thus all Doms are manipulating troubled girls.  I've heard that only teenagers want to be submissives.  I've heard that only pagans want to be submissives.  I've heard that only homosexuals practice BDSM.  And these are just a few stupid statements people have made to me.

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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/20/2007 2:45:14 PM   
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i don't explain BDSM or that i'm a submissive to a DaddyDom to my family and/or friends for one simple fact - they are deeply rooted in the Christian faith.  nothing worse than explaining to them at a family gathering why i'm wearing a metal "wedding" ring around my neck - so i'm allowed to remove my collar when i'm with family.

i wouldn't even begin to explain it to total strangers eithers. i received an IM from a guy trying to hit on me and after telling him i had a Daddy who dominates and owns me - he immediately said i must have very low self-esteem and confidence to have someone treat and abuse me like a sex slave every night. you see, he was a nilla "dom" who enjoyed "dominating" women in the bedroom for sex.


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RE: How do YOU explain bdsm to vanillas around you? - 4/20/2007 2:54:46 PM   
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I like that my close family is religious.  Sex discussions NEVER come up!  They don't discuss theirs and I don't discuss mine. Pretty much the only question asked is "Are you happy?"   "Yes, I am very happy."  End of discussion.

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