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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 1:30:22 AM

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i'm an African-American slave, owned by a white Master. i absolutely love verbal humiliation- it turns me on like no other. But there's one word so vile and downright humiliating it makes me wet just thinking about it...it's "nigger".

i've asked my Master to call me a nigger before and He said He'd consider it, which is all i can ask for. He did use it once, but only once. i'd love to hear Him say it again (He's got a southern drawl and when He says it, it sounds perfect!), but should i ask Him to again or should i assume that's He's uncomfortable with the word and let it slide?

Also, is this a common problem for white master, black slave relationships? i can't be the only black young lady that creams when she's called a "an uppity nigger whore"! ^_^

I personally would not be comfortable with it. I am not a racist or a bigot, nor could I pretend to be one. I could not even borrow terms from that vocabulary because I believe it to be completely wrong.

If it works for you, great, but it makes My skin crawl just thinking about it.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 2:07:52 AM

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racial play is hot. I call my white girl a pasty whore sometimes,although she gets a nice mediterranian tan when its warm.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 2:26:34 AM

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My slave asked Me to call her a "nigger" and I must say I was very uncomfortable with the idea at first. First of all I'm from an area in South Texas were I learned prejudice because of My surroundings, but I never learned to be prejudiced. I took a black girl to My senior prom in High School and tought Myself at a young age not to see a difference in people. Some of My best friends are black and if they new I was calling My black slave a "nigger" we wouldn't be friends anymore; at least I don't think they would feel the same way about our friendship. So My slave "ginger21" has convinced Me that calling her a "nigger" is OK because it's what raelly gets her hot and I like to make the bitch hot; so why not?!

But I could never do it in public and I will never feel totally comfortable with the idea, but it makes My slave happy. Ya gotta make 'em happy now and then.

I too would have a lot of trouble with this. As a white American who remembers the 60s, I've developed a strong inhibition against speaking the word, "nigger." I suppose that if I were involved in a relationship with a woman whom it really made hot, I could bring myself to use it on her in private. But, it would be strictly in private, or whispered in her ear. In any sort of setting where somebody else might be able to hear, I would not use it.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 2:52:50 AM

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Also, is this a common problem for white master, black slave relationships? i can't be the only black young lady that creams when she's called a "an uppity nigger whore"! ^_^

It would indeed be a problem. That word isn't permitted in my home, by anyone.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 2:56:17 AM

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Imagine, however, My discomfort when scening for the first time with an African-American female: the entire time, I'm hearing Neil Young's "Southern Man" echoing in My ears!

LMAO, I never thought of that.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 3:20:02 AM

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Hi Ginger! I would love to please you in that manner, however it would be a private thing that would never happen in public. I was raised in the north and ended up with no racial discrimination but a healthy dislike for anyone who does so. to do it because it pleases you would be truly acceptable even though I would never do so in public! Sorry, no southern drawl!!!!!!

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 3:29:58 AM

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I see this as what ever your Master wants to call you is up to Him/Her. But the use of the word 'nigger' Is a word that has been around for so long , that by now every one should be use to it .

Look at it this way , in this life style we call subs/slaves "whore , cunt, slut, bitch,and words like that . They are words that most love to hear and does get them wet . So why would that be a prob ? it does not bother me if a nigger calls me 'craker or what trash , or saltine .

And Look at it this way , you are a slave to your Master ,so if that is what your Master calls you then you can not say I do not like that . But as I said that is up to your Master .

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/21/2006 10:09:09 PM

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For me personally I into causing humiliation in a very big way, however race and religious backgrounds I have issues with. I have had relatives in Europe that had died in concentration camps, and I have had others that survived.

Although I am not judgemental about what other people do in the lifestyle, I know for me I could not as a dominant cross that line. Even though I am caucasion, my heritage had been surpressed for centuries as well and I just don't think I could do something like that in good conscienceness.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 5/24/2006 12:14:19 AM

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Stoney, is your avatar a supremicist indicator?

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/3/2006 2:00:11 AM

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What's in a name? How is being verbally abused using terms like whore, cocksucking bitch, or cumcatcher any different than racial humiliation? They are both humiliating. Both unacceptable to most people in conventional public speech. And both are a fetish. I would talk to him and help him understand that there is a difference between using racial prejudice (as in differening treatment based on race) versus racial verbal abuse for the purpose of stimulation.

Personally, I think it would be absolutely hot to take a beautiful black slave out for an elegant evening dinner, classical music concert, and ballroom dancing. Keep it elegant, romantic, and loving until part way through dinner. Then lean over and whisper, "Is my nigger slave having a good time?" And keep this type of conversation interspersed throughout the evening, growing more nasty as time goes on.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/3/2006 2:18:15 AM

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What's in a name? How is being verbally abused using terms like whore, cocksucking bitch, or cumcatcher any different than racial humiliation? They are both humiliating. Both unacceptable to most people in conventional public speech. And both are a fetish. I would talk to him and help him understand that there is a difference between using racial prejudice (as in differening treatment based on race) versus racial verbal abuse for the purpose of stimulation.

I'm not a slave, and no man in a relationship with me, will ever call me out of my name unless we first discuss what he is permitted to call me; but even if race entered into it, it wouldn't be something I feel still figures prominently in our society's subconscious as truthful (like nigger/whore)... I think humiliation is for the most part fun if what is being said is untrue; when it is a truth being used, it tends to erode the soul, but that is just my opinion. M

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/3/2006 2:34:41 AM

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What's in a name? How is being verbally abused using terms like whore, cocksucking bitch, or cumcatcher any different than racial humiliation? They are both humiliating. Both unacceptable to most people in conventional public speech. And both are a fetish. I would talk to him and help him understand that there is a difference between using racial prejudice (as in differening treatment based on race) versus racial verbal abuse for the purpose of stimulation.

Personally, I think it would be absolutely hot to take a beautiful black slave out for an elegant evening dinner, classical music concert, and ballroom dancing. Keep it elegant, romantic, and loving until part way through dinner. Then lean over and whisper, "Is my nigger slave having a good time?" And keep this type of conversation interspersed throughout the evening, growing more nasty as time goes on.

There is a little historical thing that separates one type of graphic verbiage from the other. Not to mention there is NO shame or humiliation in being born a particular race, sex, creed, color, nationality, gender, orientation etc.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/3/2006 6:30:47 AM

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It's about context. There are things I would never say in some contexts that I gladly use in others. "Slut" is not a word I would use around the office, but there are certainly fair uses for the word, as there are for many others. In addition, some "ordinary" words can become quite meaningful in the proper context.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/6/2006 11:19:25 PM

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What's in a name? How is being verbally abused using terms like whore, cocksucking bitch, or cumcatcher any different than racial humiliation?

A WHOLE different dynamic. I've always been "colorblind" and the first time I encountered a black girl who wanted racial verbal humiliation, I had no clue where to begin. Lucky for me, she helped me out by beginning the scene with a short legend that laid out how we came to that point, like the theme song of "Gilligan's Island." In Mississippi.
It took me a couple scenes to get over feeling awkward with the epithets and to understand how the words I was using where weighted in the context we played. It exposed some cultural differences I had not expected, and learned that not looking deep enough to understand the differences, was as big an error as judgement based on color alone

What I found totally unexpected, was one evening at a party I hosted, a black Dom and I where comparing notes, and when I mentioned my experiences with black girls, he assured me that when I had some real time experience with women of color, that I would find that there was NO WAY one was ever going to accept being the little slave, cunt, whore, to my white, massa, daddy fantasy.
I don't think he ever did believe me. And it was clear, that he had a harder time with the concept than I had. The difference does go beyond just a few different words.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/7/2006 9:29:23 AM

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I am VERY uncomfortable with racial humiliation.

In my time, I was serious with a hispanic woman for some time. It wasn't so much lifestyle as it was mostly kinky. I've also dated Asian and Indian women. Skin color is not something I notice (although on another topic it is something other people seem to notice and get upset by).

Recently, I have been working with an African-American sub, serving as protector and trainer for her. It's online only for now, but will likely go RT later this summer when our lives settle down. I've told her that racial humiliation is not something I will do (my own hard limit). For the most part, she's not interested in humiliation play, so it's not likley to be an issue".

That said, I will use CULTURAL humiliation. "Ghetto slut", "white-trash whore", etc. Those terms are independent of skin color and, in theory, target something that a person could change given desire and circumstance. But to attack something that a person couldn't change is just wrong to me.

On a personal note, however. I do not like humiliation play at all, at least verbal humiliation. It just doesn't do anything to demean a woman like that; my respect for women (particularily strong-of-character and independent women) is too high to get any joy from roleplaying it. I will do it if she really finds joy in it, and then find my own joy knowing I am satisfying her need. But outside of that, it's just not on my plate.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/7/2006 9:58:38 AM

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I Personally was raised In a Racist Home, and I fnd the Idea of race Play Difficult

I have an african american Sub Now.. and she Enjoyes My reffrences to her Being My Little Black Whore, and My white cock ....

But as we negotiated the scenes, she Stated and I respect even that has its Lines... the N word is Not acceptable to Her, and I am fine with that

When we are In Public, Do I make reffrence to Her race, certainly Not, she is Beutiful to me No Matter her skin color.... But once we get back Home, and the clothes come off and the collar On, White Daddy has a Black Whore Once again

Ginger, If I were you... I would suggest you try and talk to your Master Again and ask why he doesn't say the words you Like, He may be Uncomfortable with it, Or at the times Its Just Not part of his thinking... Open communication Is an Important part of the Lifestyle, (IMO)

But Bravo to you for Speaking on what for Many In todays society is a Taboo subject, and I wish you all the best

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/7/2006 11:05:27 AM

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I've only read partway through page 3 of this thread, so apologies if this has been brought up already.
This brings up a whole issue that I've been struggling with ever since I got into BDSM play. I also love verbal humiliation. I am Jewihsh, and I have a hard time reconciling that with the humiliation play.
I didn't like it all the one time my Dom (at the time) referenced that. I don't remember exactly what he said. He was using lots of verbal humiliation, and I was getting hotter and hotter, until he used the word "Jew", or some derrogatory term meaning "Jew".
Took me right out of the mood, immediately.
We never talked about it again, but I've thought about it, and wonder if it has to do with the fact that I know he is bigoted (just one of the reasons he is no longer my Dom). If I were playing with someone who I knew wasn't bigoted, it might be a turn on, too. I don't know.
When I read or see movies about forced imprisonment and tortue (not just the Nazi stuff, but the slavery in the South, or the whole Irag prison scandal, for example), I start to question my whole involvement in BDSM. I know it's consensual, but it still bothers me.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/7/2006 11:10:14 AM

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Oh fuck ME. Im staying far far FAR away from this shit. You all have fun now, ya hear!

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/7/2006 11:52:00 AM

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It's not possible to explain rationally what will make people feel humiliated, and what kinds of humiliation will turn people on. If you and your partner (or partners) know what works for you and what doesn't, that's all that matters. Obviously, using racially-charged humiliation in your sex play isn't the same thing as racism, but it's equally obvious that not everyone is going to get off on racially-charged humilation in their sex play.

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RE: are You uncomfortable using racial humiliation? - 6/7/2006 12:17:39 PM

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I've met with a switch a few times who loves to refer to himself as "nigga" - yes, complete with Southern drawl. I've had a LOT of difficulty using the word, but after a few meetings have come to terms with it.

I've also learned to ASK a potential slave/sub their preference in advance. As I'm not totally comfortable using the word, I sure as hell don't want to offend. Some want it - love it - need it - others DON'T.

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