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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:27:59 PM

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Why should I?

No one will believe you've been anywhere near a college in your life if you don't ever learn to provide better sourcing than that.

This is a BDSM message board. I am quoting things that are common knowledge. I have seen these quotes so many times, now you said yourself it was common knowledge. I just used a source that was easy to come by.

Now this is NOT an academic endeavor like discrediting global warming. Get real

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:31:14 PM

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I posted quotes, you asked leading questions to paint me as being sympathetic to Muslim extremist. I answered that point in my response. Now since then you keep piling on and piling on because I called you on what you stated... which I will repost below....

You didn't state what your intention was, so I asked. I did not say: "hey, you <expletive! You're sympathetic to terrorists!" I asked you if you felt that other varieties of extremists meant that we should ignore all of them or hate all of them. Certainly if I am asking you if your point is to hate all of them, I'm not suggesting you like them. A little exercise in reading comprehension would go a long way, here.

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Now I am done with you on this point.. flame away at me, it really makes no difference. I am here for my own amusement, and only post to that which amuses me. You ceased to a long time ago.

I'm very glad.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:33:45 PM

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Look above to the Wikipedia source

Now I do not need to make shit up... everyone knows what freaks the Religious Right are, and if you are going to sit there and play ostrich, fine... but in my opinion that looks just plain silly. It is common knowledge that these people are loons

      Which has precisely what to do with Islamic crazy fucker Governments calling for the death of Americans and Jews???

     I think you are just so fixated on those you hate, that you can't handle the idea there might be somebody worse out there.

   You and yours can cry "peace" all day long. Guess what? We are in a war. One side or the other is going to win and neither is going to give so much as a wet fart what you want or stand for when it's over.

     You might want to root for the Fundy's. At least they won't make you wear a head cover in August.

     Back to the OP; I'd rather not have an "us or them" situation, but if they want to force the issue, I know which side I'm on.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:34:32 PM

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This is a BDSM message board. I am quoting things that are common knowledge. I have seen these quotes so many times, now you said yourself it was common knowledge. I just used a source that was easy to come by.

Now this is NOT an academic endeavor like discrediting global warming. Get real

Ah, so your decision to falsely attack me about logical fallacies and permissive items in debate was reflective of your apathetic nature on the subject of accuracy and proper discourse. Cool, I get it.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:34:43 PM

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Now this is NOT an academic endeavor like discrediting global warming. Get real

No, julia.

What I was referring to as "common knowledge" is that the World Socialists are just as bad as you claim Pat Roberts and company is

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:42:37 PM

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Now this is NOT an academic endeavor like discrediting global warming. Get real

No, julia.

What I was referring to as "common knowledge" is that the World Socialists are just as bad as you claim Pat Roberts and company is

Sanity, she posted a quote and used the easily accessible source for the quote that happens to be a web site you have a problem with.

You attacked the web site, deciding somewhere that because she used that source she must be a member of the World Socialists.

I gave you 974 different sources, non World Socialist, for just one of those quotes.

You have yet to agree that those people actually made the statements she quoted.

While your ranting about World Socialists is amusing, it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Perhaps you could start a different thread to discuss the Evil That Is World Socialists, and on this thread we can continue to discuss a Muslim leader making a comment about killing Jews and Americans, which took us to a discussion of people saying hateful things about other people, which begat some of the posters bringing up hateful things that Christian leaders have said about other people, etc.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:46:53 PM

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Perhaps you could start a different thread to discuss the Evil That Is World Socialists, and on this thread we can continue to discuss a Muslim leader making a comment about killing Jews and Americans, which took us to a discussion of people saying hateful things about other people, which begat some of the posters bringing up hateful things that Christian leaders have said about other people, etc.

It's all distortion at the end of the day. I don't doubt the authenticity of the quotes, for the record ... but I do feel that Sanity's speaking of the credibility and ideals of the World Socialists is no different from jumping from an issue that's primarily centered around seemingly misguided government spending and turning it into a slam on Christians, however fanatical they may be.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:50:34 PM

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Sanity, she posted a quote and used the easily accessible source for the quote that happens to be a web site you have a problem with.

Like I said before, it's like asking Nazis for quotes from Jews, or vise-versa. Get it yet? In other words, sinergy, it's not the Socialists who I have the problem with so much as her inability to understand how to properly source a quote. It's just not credible to ask Socialists what Christians say.

It's very simple. Sleep on it, and the concept that I am telling you about may come to you in the morning.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:50:47 PM

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This doesnt make sense, Merc.

Sweeping generalities were used in a sentence, and NorthernGent asked for some clarification.

I have yet to hear a scholar respond to a query for more information with "Do your own damn research" and
"My words mean whatever you think they mean" when questioned on their views

Bait is for fish sinergy.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:53:16 PM

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...I have yet to hear a scholar respond to a query for more information with "Do your own damn research" ...

Sinergy ... is it just me, or does your saying that to Merc seem sort of paradoxical compared to how you're now defending Julia?

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:53:29 PM

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Here are some hateful Christians to try on for size

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"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."--Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue, The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93

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"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals--the two things seem to go together."--Pat Robertson, "The 700 Club," 1/21/93

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We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA
-- Pat Robertson, in a fundraising letter, July 4, 1991

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Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office

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If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality.... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering.... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice.
-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 219

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I know it sounds somewhat Machiavellian and evil, to think that you could send a squad in to take out somebody like Osama bin Laden, or to take out the head of North Korea, but isn't it better to do something like that, to take out Milosevic, to take out Saddam Hussein, rather than to spend billions of dollars on a war that harms innocent civilians and destroys the infrastructure of a country?
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 9, 1999, quoted in Martin McLaughlin, "Pat Robertson favors assassinations," August 14, 1999, World Socialist Web

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[Despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was] an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.
-- Pat Buchanan, in a 1977 column, The Guardian, January 14, 1992, quoted from Political Amazon's "Quotes from Hell"

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The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.
-- Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!

Just some selected hate.... and I do not know how many times I have heard people say we should nuke the Middle East because of 9-11...

Totally irrelevant to this post. The common denominator of the quotes is NONE ever was an elected representative. Distinctive from the OP's quoted source.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:54:44 PM

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...I have yet to hear a scholar respond to a query for more information with "Do your own damn research" ...

Sinergy ... is it just me, or does your saying that to Merc seem sort of paradoxical compared to how you're now defending Julia?

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:55:39 PM

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http://chi.gospelcom.net/DAILYF/2001/09/daily-09-29-2001.shtml

September 29, 1987 • Pat Robertson's Presidential Bid.
by the Staff or associates of Christian History Institute.
© Copyright 1999-2006. All rights reserved.
For a few weeks in 1987, it looked as if a conservative Christian could give secular politicians a real battle for the American presidency. Televangelist Pat Robertson, the host of the 700 Club and creator of the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), won three early caucuses including victories in Michigan and South Carolina and had gathered more campaign funds than most rivals.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:55:44 PM

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Back to the topic at hand. Then does the question become does one stop financial support due to the voice of one person....The test then is how many others share this opinion and how prevalent are those feelings in the population? These are questions that would have to be answered to be able to judge a Country and whether our gov't should be spending money there.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:58:43 PM

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Oh... let's not forget this!

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George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

President told Palestinians God also talked to him about Middle East peace

George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.
Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 7:59:18 PM

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i am sorry that is so out there i can not even go there.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 8:01:08 PM

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Look above to the Wikipedia source

Now I do not need to make shit up... everyone knows what freaks the Religious Right are, and if you are going to sit there and play ostrich, fine... but in my opinion that looks just plain silly. It is common knowledge that these people are loons

Yeah, and well... so are the World Socialists.

Ok, so have we clearly established that there are plenty of REALLY FUCKING CRAZY NUTS running around in each and every organization?

Ok, so DISCOUNTING THE EXTREMIST BULLSHIT: Left, Right, Up, Down and Backwards, where are we?

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 8:01:54 PM

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...I have yet to hear a scholar respond to a query for more information with "Do your own damn research" ...

Sinergy ... is it just me, or does your saying that to Merc seem sort of paradoxical compared to how you're now defending Julia?

-Sicarius

Not really, Sicarius.

I asked for more information from Merc. He responded that he was not going to provide any source material to back up his statements.

Without being asked, julia provided source information and links. Sanity attacked the links, not the actual quote.

Without being asked for more information, I provided 974 other links for the same quote.

Even now, rather than admit that Randall Terry made that quote, Sanity continues to attack the people who report that Randall Terry made that statement.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 8:03:01 PM

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Ok, so have we clearly established that there are plenty of REALLY FUCKING CRAZY NUTS running around in each and every organization?

Ok, so DISCOUNTING THE EXTREMIST BULLSHIT: Left, Right, Up, Down and Backwards, where are we?

My point is that we cannot dismiss an entire group of people because a few of them are assholes

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/2/2007 8:03:46 PM

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Why should I?

No one will believe you've been anywhere near a college in your life if you don't ever learn to provide better sourcing than that.

I'm lost. WHICH of the quotes juliaoceana posted was wrong? I mean, does it matter WHERE it came from if it's factually correct?

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