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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 3:33:26 AM   
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I would suggest you ask her two simple questions when she is acting in manner that is completely inappropriate in framework of the relationship you both have established.

Are you commited to having a D/s relationship?

let her answer....  Most likely the answer is "yes"  (reword the question to suite your dynamic and the given situation)

Then ask

Why are choosing to behave at this moment that is contrary to your commitment?

then see where it goes... btw... an apology is not good enough... actually it's rather unimportant at this stage.  What needs to occur is for her to come to the realizations that she is making choices of behavior that is contrary to her committment.  It is also critical to understand why she is making these choices.  You are only going to make this happen when she is playing this dance that frustrates you.  BTW... once you learn the reason... gain some insight to it... Don't go into a discussion.  Save that for when she is in the right mindset in your opinion.  Just plant the seeds and harvest later.


As usual, well said, my friend.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 3:34:29 AM   
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In the final analysis, there is NO such a thing as a dominant male (except to it's male peers, and who really cares what the monkeys are doing amongst themselves, hehehhe). They are ALL a service sub-species.


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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 4:05:15 AM   
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Level, what is amusing is how so many debate with this person.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 4:15:54 AM   
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Level, what is amusing is how so many debate with this person.


Yes, she is rapidly approaching persona non-grata status.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 4:18:34 AM   
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I hadn't paid full attention so now I have to admit to being one of those that attempted to interact.
But... jeeeez... it's so hard not to!


Intervention?

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 4:29:24 AM   
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I hadn't paid full attention so now I have to admit to being one of those that attempted to interact.
But... jeeeez... it's so hard not to!


Intervention?


My idea of intervention:
 
 Good morning, jenny.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 4:42:11 AM   
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Ooooh now that's an intervention!

Hmmm does that make me childish bratty & selfish?

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 4:50:38 AM   
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Ooooh now that's an intervention!

Hmmm does that make me childish bratty & selfish?


No, it just means you're spank-worthy

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 5:02:59 AM   
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IMO, I have little time for a submissive that is bratty, mouthy or disrespectful and if the are either of the first two, they sure are the third. Having said that I also understand there are those dominants that like that. However I question the motivation for either action. Is she seeking attention and is the Dominant using the submissive behavior as an excuse to discipline in any case if the behavior is NOT what you want in your D/s life and to be honest I have a difficult time separating what some would call vanilla and D/s. There are those that have asked how do you blend the D/s part of your relationship into vanilla life and my response is simple. I blend the vanilla part of my life into my D/s.   So my suggestion is this: In the case of last night and understanding you were not up for a confrontation. First thing in the morning I would have had her on her knees and apologize for her behavior. If you don’t take control you will never have control. Then I would have had her do a writing assignment of what she did wrong in her behavior. What should have happened instead of being bratty/mouthy and to list 3 punishments that she feels is appropriate. If in fact she did realize her behavior was unacceptable she should have no problem completing the assignment. Again I believe there is a difference in being of strong character and being disrespectful just as there is a difference between hurt and harm.   I don’t believe in forced submission either you are or you aren’t.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/6/2007 7:33:31 AM   
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Level, what is amusing is how so many debate with this person.


What is even more amusing is how many fall to me. :)

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"IS THERE NO ONE ELSE!!!??" - Achilles "Troy"


< Message edited by peepeegirl5 -- 6/6/2007 7:38:17 AM >


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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/7/2007 7:33:10 PM   
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As usual, well said, my friend.


Thank you... your  words are appreciated.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/7/2007 7:53:58 PM   
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I have this overpowering urge to take on a psudo-Japanese accent, point at a certain someone and croak in mock-terror:
 
"Godzilla!  Godzilla!"
 
Must've been the mental image of multitudes falling to her.  Or it could be the few shots I've had tonight.
 
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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/7/2007 7:57:02 PM   
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One of my cubs is absolutely uncooperative at times to the point I sometimes wonder who the Dom really is. But in the end Domination is all about having the ability to step as far back from the short time picture to accommodate the greater need of your submissive. Its all about love.


I thought that was lovely.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/7/2007 10:44:14 PM   
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I have this overpowering urge to take on a psudo-Japanese accent, point at a certain someone and croak in mock-terror:
 
"Godzilla!  Godzilla!"
 
Must've been the mental image of multitudes falling to her.  Or it could be the few shots I've had tonight.
 
zuma


Building a better godzilla.


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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/7/2007 10:47:37 PM   
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7376!  Fuck, Level, I think you've finally passed me.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/7/2007 11:11:03 PM   
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You seem to have no problem with what was said but want to change how it was said.  Wanting others to be PC is all about control and attention.


eXcellent smiling jaguar.

I share your feelings, deeply.




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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/8/2007 2:52:28 AM   
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7376!  Fuck, Level, I think you've finally passed me.




You were gone for awhile, Lam, or at least not hardly posting, that's where the gap was closed.

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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 6/11/2007 2:54:48 AM   
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Level, what is amusing is how so many debate with this person.


Yes, she is rapidly approaching persona non-grata status.


There is the need to complete any undertaking before seeking entrance to whatever is to be found beyond... THRESHOLD!


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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 7/16/2007 2:09:01 PM   
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Well I can tell ya from experience it ain't easyt dealing with that kind of sub/slave.  Mine was like that but when it came down to it she was pushing Me to take control and not be a pushover.  she wanted Me to get mad and do what I had threatened so many times, to do to her.  In the end it was beneficial to go ahead and set the rules, rules agreed upon by both, then abide by them.  I had a really hard time with the consistency issue, but in the end I got the slave I wanted by being patient and calling her down when she violated the rules.


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RE: Dealing with childish, bratty, selfish subs - 7/18/2007 12:33:11 PM   
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This is mainly a reply to the original posting, and there have been many wonderful replys to your post.  For some reason this struck a cord with me, bear with me while I try to put my thoughts into words. 
First off if you acepted the apology youll have to let this particular insident go.  I wish I knew more particulars about the bratty behaviour that resulted in the beeing sent to the corner in the first place.  I personaly find it hard to accept a punishment if I dont know what Ive done wrong.  Or if I dont believe Ive done wrong.  If I didnt feel the punishment was deserved Id probably have rebeled.  Possibly this could be Some of whats going on here. I probably wouldnt have said fuck off though my response would have been "Why?"  some would probably call that childish as well but I am what I am.  If I was trying to get a point across to my Master and express myself and I got punished for it Id be very upset, and irate and Id probably try to take my control back I.E say no and trun over to go to sleap or more likely pout.  I hate beeing angry with my Master( who is also my husband)  rarely ever does he deserve it.  Lucky for me part of my responsibility as his submissive is to Tell him as calmly as possible when he does do things that upset me. 
Constant brattyness (not in the playful way that some Masters and Doms like) but true rebelion, and constant fighting and bickering, might be a serious sign that something is very wrong.  Its a good idea to talk with her about it as much as possible.  It might be inpossible to talk calmly in the middle of a fight but takeing a breather and talking about it again latter might be a good idea.  If shes having a problem submitting to you, throwing her manualy in the corner might not be the best way to inspire trust, but eventualy you should have made sure she spent some time there consentualy.  If not when she appologized if time didnt permit then as part of the conditions of you forgiving her.  Its hard to respect a Dom who doesnt follow thru with punishments.  I noticed something about her not folowing thru "when its time"  If your not in a 24/7 power exchange then "time" has to be negotiated.  If you are in a 24/7 relationship then "time" is "all the time", that means youve consented to be the Dom in this relationship All the time, as its been pointed out consistancy is important.  If she doesnt know what is expected of her "all the time" how can she be expected to act that way.  Conversely, be careful not to reward behaviour that you dont want to encourage.  Although I'm a submissive in my current relationship, I'm also a switch and have had Dominate roles in the past.   I have found that some people who have certain kinds of pasts and personalities have a craveing for negative attention, so its better from my experience to use the "ignore" bad behavior punishment.  Spanking and other Impact activities should be kept for rewards or at worst used  for "pretend" punishments for example and I'm quoteing someone but cant remember who "you burned my toast" punishments.  Things that happen when shes trying to be good and shes beeing properly submissive and shit happens.  In the mean time punishments and assignments that improve comunication like writing essays, or when you can get her to willingly do her corner time having her report after ward on what she thought about while in the corner "Why do you think I sent you there?  Why did you react the way you did when I asked you to do that? use leading questions whenever possible.  and Listen to her.  Also If its possible shes acting out to try to get you to act more Dominate give her sub/slave worthy options and ques to tell you this is what she needs.  For example If I need playtime or I need my Master to "takeover" more I have permsion to either Ask him too or simply assume a submissive position kneeling in front of him or put my head in his lap.  I dont always get what I want,  but at the same time he respects that as much as Id like to I cant always give him what He wants at least not always right away, but if I cant do what I'm comanded I'm expected to give a good reason why not and not to be snotty about it.  Make sure you are rewarding her good behavior Anything that contributes to the relationship is good behavior,  working hard all day to help pay the bills,  Preparing dinner, cleaning house,  any time she does a particularly grueling chore.  Make sure you reward her with some of her favorite activities when she is behaving well.  Make sure she knows what she did good and why shes beeing rewarded.  Punishment avoidance alone is not a happy way to live.  I'm going to assume she is in love with you if she wants to Marry you so wanting to please you and make you happy is something she probably wants to do.  I would not give up on her yet. Ok so Ive rambled on quite a lot.  I hope some of my thoughts can be helpful.  Remember in a best case scenario her submission is a gift.  Optimise the environment for her to give it,  her trust that you wont abuse that gift, and support her submission by beeing a firm, consistant, and careing Dom.  It wont happen overnight especialy if you had a rocky start but the intimacy that will result from your both knowing what to expect from each other is at least for me "blissful"

Wishing You and yours the very best
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