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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
So far you have failed to show any difinitive source for population figures in afghanistan for the years 1979-1988...while at the same time parroting the asinine mantra of two million dead afghanis. You have failed to show how many afghanis lived in afghanistan before the russians came nor have you shown how many were left when the russians went home.
Please get back to me when you have something more than your opinion for validation.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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So pointing out the reality (context) of the day, where two superpowers were locked into a bitter dispute, with one being expansionistic to which the other was reacting, is an excuse? I must remember not to debate such issues with you again.

Which one was expansionist? Where did they expand to?

This isn't a question and answer session - do your own research - in fact why bother with research since you evidently know the answer to everything.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
So far you have failed to show any difinitive source for population figures in afghanistan for the years 1979-1988...while at the same time parroting the asinine mantra of two million dead afghanis. You have failed to show how many afghanis lived in afghanistan before the russians came nor have you shown how many were left when the russians went home.
Please get back to me when you have something more than your opinion for validation.

Firstly, how exactly did I fail to show something that wasn't asked of me - point out exactly where you asked me for information on population? You asked me about death tolls, and only subsequently pretended otherwise. In actual fact you were the first one to mention population figures as not backing up the death toll http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4087836 - I have since asked you to provide them from reputable ONLINE sources, a request which you have completely ignored. Show them.

Secondly, where did I say two million died in Afghanistan. This is a strawman which you and Moonhead have repeatedly made. I said one to two million as stated in many sources.

Thirdly, I have provided a large number of sources, many of which have a good reputation. You focused exclusively on the very lowest because it suits your own prejudice.

Fourthly, this comedy merely illustrates yet again that when you demand proofs, you flatly reject them, and when asked for proofs you ignore or refuse to give them.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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So pointing out the reality (context) of the day, where two superpowers were locked into a bitter dispute, with one being expansionistic to which the other was reacting, is an excuse? I must remember not to debate such issues with you again.

Which one was expansionist? Where did they expand to?

This isn't a question and answer session - do your own research - in fact why bother with research since you evidently know the answer to everything.

You post your opinion and when asked to validate your opinion you cop attitude. Is that because you cannot? If you could you would.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
So far you have failed to show any difinitive source for population figures in afghanistan for the years 1979-1988...while at the same time parroting the asinine mantra of two million dead afghanis. You have failed to show how many afghanis lived in afghanistan before the russians came nor have you shown how many were left when the russians went home.
Please get back to me when you have something more than your opinion for validation.

Firstly, how exactly did I fail to show something that wasn't asked of me - point out exactly where you asked me for information on population? You asked me about death tolls, and only subsequently pretended otherwise. In actual fact you were the first one to mention population figures as not backing up the death toll http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4087836 - I have since asked you to provide them from reputable ONLINE sources, a request which you have completely ignored. Show them.

Secondly, where did I say two million died in Afghanistan. This is a strawman which you and Moonhead have repeatedly made. I said one to two million as stated in many sources.

Thirdly, I have provided a large number of sources, many of which have a good reputation. You focused exclusively on the very lowest because it suits your own prejudice.

Fourthly, this comedy merely illustrates yet again that when you demand proofs, you flatly reject them, and when asked for proofs you ignore or refuse to give them.

You state an opinion and when asked to validate it you use other people's opinion. As someone who claims to have been to university you must see the logical falicy of your position.

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AGAIN I am requesting that you PROVIDE sources to back up your OPINIONS

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In your abject arrogance, you treat the forum as if it is your own personal question and answer session, and direct your idiotic examinations at those you disagree with only to dismiss their views as mere "opinions"

In your abject arrogance you treat the forum as if it were your own personal soap box. When anyone questions your idiotic rhetoric you cite the opinion of others who agree with you as proof of your own ignorance.
You are entitled to your opinion no matter how ignorant,unsubstantiated or ill formed it may be...that does not make it fact.

even if backed up repeatedly by sources of repute.


Your sources of repute are opinion not facts. Please learn the difference before you further embarass yourself.

You really have serious issues in your connection with reality if you think others on here will not judge you for this idiotic behaviour, which presumably is intended to troll/harass others you disagree


Nope...just pointing out your inability to tell the difference between your opinion and facts.

with since you have repeatedly told me not to voice my views. If you actually made an effort to read the thread you would see that I have already stated they expanded into Eastern Europe and Azerbaijan several times in this thread.


Which part of eastern europe did they expand into and when?
Azerbaijan was part of the russian empire before the soviet union came into being.


Why don't you do others on here a really big favour and quit your imbecillic little games?

Why do you feel it is a game for someone to ask you to validate your opinions?

If you wish to disagree then fucking say so, and back up your opinion as has been requested many times.

My opinion is that you have failed to validate your opinions concerning how many afghanis died due to the russian invasion of that country.

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Anaxagoras, just put him on ignore, that's what I did and it has worked well for me

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AGAIN I am requesting that you PROVIDE sources to back up your OPINIONS

Which opinion of mine would you like me to validate?

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds
Anaxagoras, just put him on ignore, that's what I did and it has worked well for me

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds
Anaxagoras, just put him on ignore, that's what I did and it has worked well for me

Self imposed ignorance is it's own reward.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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In your abject arrogance, you treat the forum as if it is your own personal question and answer session, and direct your idiotic examinations at those you disagree with only to dismiss their views as mere "opinions"

In your abject arrogance you treat the forum as if it were your own personal soap box. When anyone questions your idiotic rhetoric you cite the opinion of others who agree with you as proof of your own ignorance.
You are entitled to your opinion no matter how ignorant,unsubstantiated or ill formed it may be...that does not make it fact.

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even if backed up repeatedly by sources of repute.

Your sources of repute are opinion not facts. Please learn the difference before you further embarass yourself.

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You really have serious issues in your connection with reality if you think others on here will not judge you for this idiotic behaviour, which presumably is intended to troll/harass others you disagree

Nope...just pointing out your inability to tell the difference between your opinion and facts.

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with since you have repeatedly told me not to voice my views. If you actually made an effort to read the thread you would see that I have already stated they expanded into Eastern Europe and Azerbaijan several times in this thread.

Which part of eastern europe did they expand into and when?
Azerbaijan was part of the russian empire before the soviet union came into being.

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Why don't you do others on here a really big favour and quit your imbecillic little games?

Why do you feel it is a game for someone to ask you to validate your opinions?

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If you wish to disagree then fucking say so, and back up your opinion as has been requested many times.

My opinion is that you have failed to validate your opinions concerning how many afghanis died due to the russian invasion of that country.

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They are statements of fact: One to two million people were killed by the USSR. They cannot be absolute because there were immense population upheavals.

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They are statements of fact: One to two million people were killed by the USSR. They cannot be absolute because there were immense population upheavals.

You claim that somewhere between 6 and 12 percent of a country's population disapears but you can't validate it because "there were immense population upheavals"...in short you believe it because you wish to not because there is any sort of proof.

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You have no clue about history. It is very well known Eastern Europe under communist governments were under USSR's thumb.

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Typical of you to obfuscate over Azerbaijan. The Soviet Union went into the state in 1920 when it was an independent state.

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The Soviets also stayed in Azerbaijani-Iran and created two puppet states in 1945,

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leading to the Iranian Crisis, and the onset of the Cold War.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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You have no clue about history. It is very well known Eastern Europe under communist governments were under USSR's thumb.

That would be because they "eastern europe" came in second best in a pissing contest called ww2.

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Typical of you to obfuscate over Azerbaijan. The Soviet Union went into the state in 1920 when it was an independent state.

Azerbaijan was part of the russian empire. The bolshiviks took over from the tsars. Azerbaijan ran up their own flag (not at all unlike the confederacy in the u.s.)and the russian army took it down(not unlike the union army in the u.s. civil war).

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After the collapse of the Russian Empire during World War I, Azerbaijan, together with Armenia and Georgia became part of the short-lived Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic. When the republic dissolved in May 1918, Azerbaijan declared independence as the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (ADR). The ADR was the first modern parliamentary republic in the Muslim World.[9][11][64] Among the important accomplishments of the Parliament was the extension of suffrage to women, making Azerbaijan the first Muslim nation to grant women equal political rights with men.[9] In this accomplishment, Azerbaijan also preceded the United Kingdom and the United States. Another important accomplishment of ADR was the establishment of Baku State University, which was the first modern-type university founded in Muslim East.[9]

By March 1920, it was obvious that Soviet Russia would attack the much-needed Baku. Vladimir Lenin said that the invasion was justified as Soviet Russia could not survive without Baku's oil.

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The Soviets also stayed in Azerbaijani-Iran and created two puppet states in 1945,

Kinda like the u.s. in the phillippines,cuba,viet nam,etc.

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leading to the Iranian Crisis, and the onset of the Cold War.

lol

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The Iran crisis of 1946, also known as the Iran-Azerbaijan Crisis, followed the end of World War II and stemmed from the Soviet Union's refusal to relinquish occupied Iranian territory, despite repeated assurances...

In late 1945, in addition to the People's Republic of Azerbaijan, the Republic of Mahabad also came into existence. Soon, the alliance of the Kurdish and People's Azerbaijani forces, supported in arms and training by the Soviet Union, engaged in fighting with Iranian forces,[1] resulting in total of 2,000 casualties. Negotiation by Iranian premier Ahmad Qavam and diplomatic pressure on the Soviets by the United States eventually led to Soviet withdrawal. The crisis is seen as one of the early conflicts in the growing Cold War at the time.

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Actually, the USSR was on the winning side in the second world war. I know it's a touchy subject for Americans, but the Soviet Union has a rather better claim to having saved Europe from Hitler than your own country does. More than half of the uniformed German forces in mainland europe died on the easter front, and it's worth googling "Stalingrad" and "the battle of Kursk".

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South Vietnam was allied to the US in being against communism but it was not a US puppet state, nor was it created by the US unlike so many Soviet "client" states. The leadership there actually repeatedly went against US advice over major issues prior to the onset of the Vietnam War, which was the US' worst hour.

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Actually your hero Stalin betrayed promises to the Allies by staying in Eastern Europe and installing puppet governments.