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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:15:32 PM   
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Lost for words eh?


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If there are any other cons brave enough to answer my question,please add to the answer....how exactly you would handle the FUBAR situation our president was handed?



Lost for reading comprension, Owner59? I said it in the first post.

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Bring them home now. Bring them home yesterday.


C'mon, Owner59, get to singing the praises of it, and perhaps you'll use the North Korea deal as an example of his outstanding accomplishments and skill at the negotiating table?

Which was/is never/not an option......

Very gutzy answer......

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:19:50 PM   
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And here's something that might be difficult for you understand, Owner59, but I was saying the exact same thing when Bush II was President.


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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:21:23 PM   
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All I know is it's gone way downhill since Tarzi.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:24:24 PM   
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In fact you could say that the modern Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was largely created by the CIA in response to the Russian invasion, and beating the Russians is what put the idea of beating us into their heads in the first place.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:30:28 PM   
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In fact you could say that the modern Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was largely created by the CIA in response to the Russian invasion, and beating the Russians is what put the idea of beating us into their heads in the first place.




Really? It seems like the Afghans have a longer history of beating the invaders than that.

But no worries then, right, Xssve? As long as the Republicans can be blamed, it doesn't really matter anyway?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:35:23 PM   
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Yup. You've got it Rich. In fact, the entire mess goes back to Carter, who got the Soviets to invade Afghanistan as part of a plot to get Barack Obama (he had just come of age, so the plot starts here) re-elected in 2012 by discrediting the Republicans.

Of course, it's no accident that Obama was born during the Kennedy administration, the same year as the Bay of Pigs fiasco--it was part of Kennedy's distraction campaign. Even before Civil Rights legislation, the first black--well, half-black--president was being conceived and groomed.

But first--discredit the Republicans! He had already defeated Nixon...now, he just had to get him to break in to the Watergate hotel in '72, and let the conservatives drive away independents.

Clever fuckers!



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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:41:36 PM   
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Considering the issue of Taliban infiltration, I imagine that could become a serious security issue.

Hasn't "security issue"s been the whole strategy in Afghanistan from the off?

Depends on one's reading of the conflict I suppose. No doubt you would be in complete agreement with R0 that the British under the guise of the US[B]A ("United States of British America" - some may scoff but the original draft of the constitution attests to the existence of this entity before the "B" was hastily erased) are behind it all as vengence for Blighty's past failure in the region, Bush just being a puppet controlled by QEII, all the presidents being distant relations of the British Royal Rothchilde Family...


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Read some fucking Kipling.

Not sure I would agree but to give him his credit, he does make exceedingly good cakes.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:43:07 PM   
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No, Muse, I think it even started a little before that...

Really though? Nobody willing to step up and tell us why the administration has shown one thing that suggests they deserve another term in how this has been conducted, since it came onto their watch?

We could have launched the bin Laden operation from the same fucking aircraft carrier his body was dumped from, if that's the best anyone can come up with.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:44:38 PM   
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Considering the issue of Taliban infiltration, I imagine that could become a serious security issue.

Hasn't "security issue"s been the whole strategy in Afghanistan from the off?

Depends on one's reading of the conflict I suppose. No doubt you would be in complete agreement with R0 that the British under the guise of the US[B]A ("United States of British America" - some may scoff but the original draft of the constitution attests to the existence of this entity before the "B" was hastily erased) are behind it all as vengence for Blighty's past failure in the region, Bush just being a puppet controlled by QEII, all the presidents being distant relations of the British Royal Rothchilde Family...

Not only do I not agree with any of Real0ne's conspiracy theory bullshit drivel, I demand an apology.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:46:45 PM   
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In fact you could say that the modern Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was largely created by the CIA in response to the Russian invasion, and beating the Russians is what put the idea of beating us into their heads in the first place.

To give the US their credit, the USSR created an appalling situation in Afghanistan after installing their puppet government, which led to open revolt. One to two million Afghani's were killed in the eight year invasion, with a third of the country's population displaced.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:47:32 PM   
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Nobody willing to step up and tell us why the administration has shown one thing that suggests they deserve another term in how this has been conducted, since it came onto their watch?


I'm not impressed with how either party handled this fiasco.

I'm certainly not impressed with the cowboy cons who rushed into it.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:48:57 PM   
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And that excuses funding an Islamic terrorist organisation who remain as a problem twenty odd years after the soviet withdrawal, does it?

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:53:03 PM   
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Twenty years doesn't exist in American politics. There's only until the next election.

That's why we have a decades long history of doing stupid shit.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:54:04 PM   
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I'm certainly not impressed with the cowboy cons who rushed into it.


It seems there was pretty broad, bi-partisan agreement at the time, Muse...

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 1:56:17 PM   
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And that excuses funding an Islamic terrorist organisation who remain as a problem twenty odd years after the soviet withdrawal, does it?

No doubt there were Islamists in the mix, after all the values pushed by the socialist puppet government were abhorrent to such a highly traditional society but are you suggesting those that constituted the Afghani rebellion were in the main Islamist terrorists? I was under the impression the Mujahideen were a chaotic array of regional warlords.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:01:24 PM   
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I'm certainly not impressed with the cowboy cons who rushed into it.


It seems there was pretty broad, bi-partisan agreement at the time, Muse...

Not from me, there wasn't. I even published about it.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:01:33 PM   
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Bring home the troops.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-04-07/news/31305459_1_afghan-security-forces-afghan-president-lynch

WASHINGTON - During one of Representative Stephen F. Lynch’s early visits to Afghanistan, a crush of angry protesters had to be forced out of the path of his convoy with rifle butts. When his plane approached Iraq in the weeks after the 2003 invasion, enemy mortars were still striking the runway.

The South Boston Democrat, who won his seat in a special election on Sept. 11, 2001, has traveled to the war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan 21 times, more often than almost any other member of Congress.

He has often been the only Democrat in the visiting delegation. The fact-finding missions - often into savaged neighborhoods, his blood type written on his body armor in case of attack - helped make him much more supportive of the decadelong war effort in Afghanistan than his Bay State colleagues.

Not anymore. Lynch, frustrated by a lack of progress, is now breaking with the Obama administrationand calling on the president to speed up American withdrawal from Afghanistan by at least a year.

“I don’t think we are going to get there in 2014,’’ said Lynch, speaking about the administration’s timeline for withdrawal. “The pace of progress is so slow that the law of diminishing returns will apply. I don’t think there will be any added measure of benefit that is worth the sacrifice to stay an extra year.’’

In a wide-ranging interview late last month, Lynch said his evolving view was prompted by recent visits and one-to-one talks with service members. Matters were made worse by the violence sparked by the accidental burning of Korans by US service members and then the slaying of 17 Afghan civilians, reportedly by an Army sergeant.

“The recent events have been a real setback,’’ Lynch said in his Capitol Hill office, decorated with photos of some of his travels, including one with the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai. “We are going to have to do a reset on our expectations and try something different in terms of helping them get to where they need to be. But I don’t think it involves a massive military presence.’’

The Pentagon has already begun drawing down troops from the surge in force levels Obama ordered in 2009 - which Lynch supported - and will bring home 23,000 more by September. The White House wants to withdraw the remaining 65,000 US service members by the end of 2014 and hand over security to newly trained Afghan forces.

Lynch, considered an authority on the war by his colleagues, serves on a key national security oversight committee and cochairs a congressional task force on terrorism financing.

One of his most pressing concerns is the slow pace of preparing Afghan security forces to carry the battle on their own. While progress is being made, he doubts that US forces staying longer will make much a difference in the end.

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:02:03 PM   
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"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;!”

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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:14:31 PM   
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Wrong poem:
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When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains
jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
and go to your gawd like a soldier.


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RE: Oh what the fucking fuck??? - 4/8/2012 2:15:14 PM   
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Twenty years doesn't exist in American politics. There's only until the next election.

That's why we have a decades long history of doing stupid shit.


THIS!!! ^^^^

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