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just to be clear guys---at the very least, the conservative and probably moderate Christian denominations consider the Jehovah's witnesses a cult.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Christianity is filled with allegory, you can CHOOSE your interpretation.

If that were true then you should be able to cite some proof of that?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness


Then again, it could be due to the fact that Christianity actually is a religion of peace,


This is historically inaccurate.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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2) Parental consent does not protect Muslim under-age girls, because, Islam follows the age of Aisha for what is acceptable marriage
age. Which is 9 yr old. So Muslims parents will give consent ANYWAY!

If that were true you will be able to show us proof of millions of marriages to nine year old girls.
We will await your cites to validate your lies.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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...contemporary pedophilic Islamic marriages are common practice around the globe...

In many Islamic countries, child marriages are common practice. Girls far below the age of puberty are often forcibly married to older persons (sometimes in their 50s and later) for various personal gains by the girls' guardian or with the intention to preserve family honor by helping her avoid pre-marital sex. Pedophilic Islamic marriages are most prevalent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, followed by other countries in the Middle East and Bangladesh.[1][2] This practice may also be prevalent to a lesser extent amongst other Muslim communities, and is on the rise among the growing Muslim populations in many non-Muslim countries, such as the United Kingdom[3] and the United States...[4]

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"It is incorrect to say that it's not permitted to marry off girls who are 15 and younger. A girl aged 10 or 12 can be married. Those who think she's too young are wrong and they are being unfair to her.

"Our mothers and before them our grandmothers married when they were barely 12. Good upbringing makes a girl ready to perform all marital duties at that age"

Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Sheikh

"A nine-year-old girl has the same sexual capacities like a woman of twenty and over"

Skeikh Mohamed Ibn Abderrahmane Al-Maghraoui


"Getting married at an early age is something that is confirmed by the book of Allah, the Sunnah of his Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), the consensus of the scholars and the actions of the companions, and the Muslims who came after them...

Delaying the marriage of girls in many Muslim countries is something new and contradictory to what Muslims used to do over many centuries. This is because of westernization and the application of man-made laws. This caused a change in understandings and customs within a considerable number of the population, and it is absolutely not permissible to consider the customs and traditions in a given country as the standard by which people abide, and fail to obey the absolute evidences of Shariah.

"In some Muslim countries, the marriage for girls has been delayed by many years beyond the age of puberty. This has indeed led to an increase in the removal of the veil from the face, and increased fornication and adultery, as well as the emergence of deviation in conduct and religion among the youth. They had become morally unstable as they lack affection, chastity, and protection their private parts from illegal sexual relations.
By delaying marriage, there is also a reduction in the number of Muslims in the Ummah, and this is contrary to the order of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), as he ordered us to have many children so that the Muslim nation will be greater in number than the previous nations."

Islamweb, Fatwa No. 88089, June 24, 2004

"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

The late Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution

"The Saudi religious establishment is generally supportive of child bride marriages. Some clerics who addressed this issue cited the example of the Prophet's marriage to 'Aisha. For example, Jeddah marriage and divorce official Ahmad Al-Ma'abi said on a June 2008 program on Lebanon's LBC TV that a girl may marry and have sexual intercourse from the age of nine, arguing that the Prophet Muhammad had married 'Aisha when she was six and had consummated the marriage when she was nine. Al-Ma'abi added that, in Yemen, girls often married at the age of nine or 10. He concluded that as long as the father of the bride consents to the marriage and is present at the ceremony, as required by religious law, "the marriage is obviously legal.""

"The marriage of nine-year-old girls is not forbidden because according to the Hadith (the Prophet Mohammed's sayings), Mohammed married Aisha when she was only seven-years-old and he consummated his union when she was nine."

Sheikh Mohamed Ben Abderrahman Al-Maghraoui

"Child marriage in Islam is permissible. In the Koran there is no specific age of marriage...[If the government imposed new laws against child marriage] There will be violent conflict from the Muslims, saying that 'no, we will not accept this, we'd rather die than accept something which is not a law from Allah.'...

"Nigeria has many uncountable problems and none of them is early marriage. As a matter of fact early marriage (is) the solution to about half of our problems. For those who wonder if I can give my daughter(s) out in marriage at the age of 9 or 13, I tell you most honestly, I can give her out at the age of 6 if I want to and it’s not your business. This is because I am a Muslim and I follow the example of the best of mankind, Muhammad..."
Ahmed Sani Yerima, former governor and current senator of Zamfara State, Nigeria...

In countries like Yemen, Bangladesh, Iran, and Northern Nigeria, attempts at reforming laws and banning child marriages have been opposed and stopped on the grounds that such a ban would be un-Islamic,[15][32][38][22][21] and in the case of Malaysia, the growing Muslim population has effectively turned back the clock on social progress by passing new laws which allow for the practice of pedophilic marriages specifically between followers of Islam.[43] So one has to agree that whatever reasons and justification people may give for the prevalence of child marriages in Muslim-majority nations, without Islam this practice would have long been discarded as immoral and unacceptable in the modern world.

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If I disagree with another poster I will deliniate my disagreement with validation from reputable sources. When proved wrong I admit it and thank the poster for disabusing me of my ignorance. I have been proved wrong in less than a half dozen cases with more than 20,000 post.

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...contemporary pedophilic Islamic marriages are common practice around the globe...

In many Islamic countries, child marriages are common practice. Girls far below the age of puberty are often forcibly married to older persons (sometimes in their 50s and later) for various personal gains by the girls' guardian or with the intention to preserve family honor by helping her avoid pre-marital sex. Pedophilic Islamic marriages are most prevalent in Pakistan and Afghanistan, followed by other countries in the Middle East and Bangladesh.[1][2] This practice may also be prevalent to a lesser extent amongst other Muslim communities, and is on the rise among the growing Muslim populations in many non-Muslim countries, such as the United Kingdom[3] and the United States...[4]

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So somehow Muslim violence against women is evil and but "random" violence by others is okay. No it's violence and it's all wrong, whoever does it. I don't defend Muslims who commit acts of violence, quite the opposite. The problem is that you attack all Muslims, law-abiding, peace-loving, valuable members of our community, doctors, factory workers, bus drivers, architects, Mayor of London. No these people cannot be contributing to our society.

I am talking about the systematic abuse of women, and Muslims being 1.6billion in population, have a religion that mandates it! So systematic eradication of abuse of women starts with tackling the ONE GIANT religion that abuses women FIRST!

The Random fellows who abuses women that are Non-Muslims, are already getting punished for it!

Muslims in Sharia law runned countries are NOT being punished YET because it's legal.

I highly doubt white men abuse women the most, since MANY Muslims women are decked in Ninja Suits from head to toe, so how many go unreported? Nobody will know. Nobody will see. And they are at the mercies of their Muslim husbands. Just look at how Janet Jackson has to dress when walking beside her husband? IF she had bruises, and she kept quiet, would you know? Even in her shows, she had to fully cover up now. Which makes me suspect she has bruises on her body.

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And you then you suggest all Muslim men want to mutilate their daughters genitals or engage in paedophile acts? You must know that is not true.

100% of Muslims men in Singapore mutilate their daughter's pussy. FGM is COMPULSORY for Muslim females in Singapore BY THEIR RELIGION. Good enough reason for me to hate them.

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You yourself talked about being okay with Indians who were Christian but having a problem with Indians who were Muslim. You don't see that as prejudice?

Please re-read the above. IF I am prejudice against MEN who send their daughters to get their pussy mutilated, then yes, I am proud to be prejudice AGAINST MEN who SUPPORT FGM! Why should I even like them? That is HORRIBLE!

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And then you think that Indians who rise into respected professions in Singapore do so because they are Christian and have Christian names. But most of the Indians in the Malay peninsula, including Singapore, are Hindu. You don't know this?

Not true today. I am talking about Singapore. Not Malaysia. We are two different countries. Most are Christians or Atheist these days. Many have evolved out of their traditional religion. The Indians that is! Probably also because, unlike Islam, the retention rate for Malays that are Muslims are 100% because they are forbidden to leave their religion.

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What I will not do is attack millions of people, accusing them of the worst things just because they are Muslim. That is bigotry, plain and simple.

Who is following a prophet that lead by example in child marriages, FGM, killing, and wife beating. And if I know my friend is a wife beater and not a Muslim, he will no longer be my friend. Period! I don't care IF that is bigotry not to support wife beaters! I will NOT befriend wife beaters!

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Oh and try not to use the word "Paki" when you next time you come to the UK. Some people do use it but it's pretty much the same as calling a black guy the "n" word.

Well in Singapore, Paki is short form for Pakistani. There is no difference between Pakistani and Paki. And if they are from Pakistan? How is referring to their nationality racist? Or offensive? Are they embarrassed or ashamed of their nationality? Or was it YOU British people WHO turn a short form of "Pakistani" into an "insult" when it's just a simple logical short-form of their nationality?

"Nigger" I understand. That word is sooo far away from African. I would call Africans, "Afri"! Like they are Paki people, they are Afri people. "malaysia" becomes "malay" and they are Malay people. And Singaporeans, Sing people. Sometimes if I met a fellow Singaporean overseas, I would ask, "Are you a singy?"

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Love thy neighbor could include your neighbors wife or your neighbors livestock?
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Let's get one thing straight here Greta. Your extreme hatred of Muslims isn't even a hatred of foreigners or immigrants.

Around 15% of your population is Muslim. (I know that this figure changes depending on whether you are talking about nationals and residents, but let's just say that it is a significant minority.) These people are not recent immigrants. Malay Muslims are now a smaller part of your society as a result of immigration but before Western intervention they formed the majority of the inhabitants of the island.

So Muslims and Islam have been woven into the culture of Singapore since its inception. Muslim culture has a far longer history where you live than it does in Europe. Yet you hate Muslims with a passion despite "defending" Singaporean culture.

So you are part of a culture that has moved into the territory occupied by a different culture, and now you out-number the original inhabitants. The terrible and sad irony is that you have such a jaundiced view of immigration changing indigenous culture, despite coming from an immigrant group who did just that.

Seen in the context of your own country's history and demography, your prejudice against Muslims, coupled with the fact that you only like some Indians (another large minority of Singapore's population) if they behave the right way, doesn't look like a cry from an embattled member of a threatened community. It sounds far more like a member of an economically powerful and dominant section of society seeking to incite hatred against local minorities.

That makes your hatred of these people look far more like the oppression of minorities which is quite dark and sinister, whatever justification you give it.