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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/4/2007 7:49:40 PM   
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All I know is I took an IQ test once and it had ranges of score.  And I didn't even score enough points to make it to the lowest rank.  I took it hard.


Damn right you did!!!....But how did you feel about the test?


Funny you should ask....

After taking it hard, the test results didn't matter to me anymore.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/4/2007 7:51:31 PM   
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Me, Myself and I; we wanna have a foursome someday...

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Who's "us"?  Multiple personalities there?

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Fast Reply: I gotta say, this fucking thread gives geniuses a bad name.  I'm almost embarrassed to call myself one.


Then by all means, let us call you something else.



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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/4/2007 9:09:43 PM   
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Fast Reply: I gotta say, this fucking thread gives geniuses a bad name.  I'm almost embarrassed to call myself one.


Care to elaborate? (And I didn't call myself one.)



Yeh same here!  How can a "thread" give a genius a bad name?


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/4/2007 9:22:35 PM   
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Who's "us"?  Multiple personalities there?

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Fast Reply: I gotta say, this fucking thread gives geniuses a bad name.  I'm almost embarrassed to call myself one.


Then by all means, let us call you something else.



Well what i would like to know is::::::::::::  exactly what is a genius anyway?   Is it like 100 and you are a smartass and 101 you are a genius errr somthing like that?  To me tesla was a genius.  why? 30 years of inventing and everything worked out of the box. Scientists today are first now 100 years later figuring out what he did in the late 1800's early 1900's.

So whats up with that?  There are people that consider themselves a genius but i cannot figure out what that is.


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/4/2007 10:57:08 PM   
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Well what i would like to know is::::::::::::  exactly what is a genius anyway?   Is it like 100 and you are a smartass and 101 you are a genius errr somthing like that?  To me tesla was a genius.  why? 30 years of inventing and everything worked out of the box. Scientists today are first now 100 years later figuring out what he did in the late 1800's early 1900's.

So whats up with that?  There are people that consider themselves a genius but i cannot figure out what that is.


Hrm...I went to Wikipedia for Schopenhauer's definition: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius)
"In the philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer, genius is a person in whom intellect predominates over "will" much more than within the average person. In Schopenhauer's aesthetics, this predominance of the intellect over the will allows the genius to create artistic or academic works that are objects of pure, disinterested contemplation, the chief criterion of the aesthetic experience for Schopenhauer. Their remoteness from mundane concerns means that Schopenhauer's geniuses often display maladaptive traits in more mundane concerns; in Schopenhauer's words, they fall into the mire while gazing at the stars."

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/4/2007 11:48:37 PM   
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Normal ranges 
Most subs and slaves have been normal. I couldn't relate to most. Normal people have natural IQ's not overly different from domesticated animals, in my opinion, with the notable exceptions of speech and fine manual dexterity. I regard most sub's/slave's in this range as pets. They were unable to understand my emotions, thoughts, or feelings.


Wow, you sure go to great lengths to win friends and influence people.  Does anyone take you seriously?


Yeah, I thought I'd get some extra subs by coming and posting on this board.  Figured, "I'll influence them into doing so.  How might I best do this?"  And, being the utter God that I am, decided, "Yes, I shall alienate as many as possible, so that they take offense to my bluntness; once offended, they'll come diving into my arms."

Strangely enough, this doesn't seem to have worked yet.  Perhaps alienating people might not be the absolute best way to influence them?


Edit:  My point is that saying something like that isn't going to impress many people.  Whether you think I'm as intelligent as I claim or not, it should be obvious that I have command of at least some cognition.  I'm well aware that putting people down, for the most part, isn't going to win me fame; at least, not by virtue of having done so.  You should be able to see that I'd likely be aware of this.

I'd be a much more popular guy if I simply lied, showed the things I do know, and then told you I respected your intelligence as my equal, or completely swallowed my dignity and said I looked up to you.

If my blunt nature offends your dignity, I'd apologize, though doing so would only be further patronizing you as I would be apologizing for your own short comings.

My main point on these forums is to reflect through questions and points of consideration, impart some knowledge, and enjoy the company of those who aren't afraid to be serious.

But, if this outlook doesn't work for you.. I respect your intelligence, I'm merely better at Physics, and your arguments are both sound and dignified.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 12:18:17 AM   
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This explains how a "genius" has no common sense.  I call it the "fine line" theory of intelligence.


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Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.


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ORGINIAL: "Definition of prejudice", Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary [Bold face added]

1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


A genius "has no common sense" because most geniuses, common, think things through.  This is contrary to the notion of "common sense".  It's not, as you said, because they're somehow lacking in some area to balance out their noted cognative abilities.  They just assume less and think more.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 12:26:10 AM   
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All I know is I took an IQ test once and it had ranges of score.  And I didn't even score enough points to make it to the lowest rank.  I took it hard.


I took an official MENSA IQ pretest about three years ago online (off their website).  I scored 170 without even thinking.  I thought, "That was far too easy.."

So, what'd I do?  I got a bunch of friends to take it.  Even went on chatrooms and got random strangers to take it.  I didn't tell them the score I got- just asked them to do it as well.  Everyone but one guy scored 170.  And the one guy, not exactly being the brightest of individuals I've known, made a 160.

Ever since then.. I have a really, really hard time having faith in the validity of IQ tests.

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I think most people who've taken middleschool-level Geometry would've scored a 170 on that test.  It still irks exactly how bad it was.  I'm still wondering if they put it up there just to mess with peoples' heads.


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 1:31:02 AM   
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I would like to invite all to consider this, as part of the original theme of this thread. This is about a genius- the typical genius- not myself or any other person/historical figure in particular.

I would ask all be a genius, for the moment; little assumed, much figured. You live, now, my friend, among idiots. Whatever a blither idiot is to you, consider the average person you might encounter as such.

You, my friend, are a genius; you were likely born from gifted parents, possibly even a genius or two from them! They are not so far below you, though they have taught you well, and you have benefited from the combination of their genes and whatever other factors you have in your favor to be so notable.

You're growing up, now, in a world where you are without knowledge. You do not know how planes fly, nor how lungs work to sustain you. You do not know what makes plants grow or people think. You are presented with a thousand ideas of ultimate power and divine beings.

Though they seem slow to you, they obviously live in the world in which these things exist. At least some among them must know how a plane flies, right? You think of who, in your life, might know such a thing; you ask your father and mother, being exceptionally intelligent, and they might give a decent answer, but not complete. They excuse themselves as such information not having been commonplace in their youth nor their field of study.

You go on to think, "Who else might know?" Why, what about that science teacher for the upper grades? The one in charge of the department? I will ask him! And, so, you go to him; he answers. He knew about "lift"- something your parents explained more aptly, though with less childish terminology. You note that this man has studied more than your parents, and "knows" more simple facts, yet maintains a weaker grasp.

You might go to your parents, "Why is it that this man, in charge of Science an educational facility, is unaware of a question that I, a child, have asked in simplicity?"

Your parents laugh, "My son, you are gifted, and public elementary schools are for everyone, even the less gifted." Observing your frown, they continue, "One day, you will go to college, and you will be among your peers. You will even, believe it or not, encounter those more intelligent than you. What will you say then?"

You might groan- half in disbelief, half in insulted ago. "More intelligent than me?", you might question yourself, "How is such a thing possible? Is it?" You sigh, cautioning yourself against believing in something that both sounds too good to be true and seems to lack evidence. "Calm, now." Still, you now have hope for companionship.

Years pass. Elementary school just barely finishes. You discover your ability to emulate- to set off a portion of mind, one of your lines of thought, to either simulate something else. This something else has to be something you can understand thoroughly.

What, I ask, might you do?

What if you could emulate several things at once? Ask yourself, in earnest, if you were a very intelligent person, living in this story, what would you chose to emulate?

I ask all so that those considering in earnest might realize the madness that comes with such a condition.




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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 4:01:29 AM   
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Otherwise, a psychologist or psychiatrist will usually be able to point you in the right direction.


Figured as much. Don't give a rats trombone about mensa, but I do know a couple psychiatrists. Well, know of. Oh, and love reading your posts Aswad. Better than a couple books I've read :)

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All it could possibly do, if you get an unexpected result, is shatter your sense of self--that is, if your sense of self is so fragile that you need to be validated by an IQ test.


I want to take the test because. well, I want to take it. No real reason other than curiosity as to what it would say. I'm not expecting any result. I'd be surpised if I got bellow average but I'd be more suprised if such a result negatively impacted me.

I'm the kind of guy who loves to do telephone surveys. I get a tingle whenever I get asked to do one. Makes me giggle actually.

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Years pass. Elementary school just barely finishes. You discover your ability to emulate- to set off a portion of mind, one of your lines of thought, to either simulate something else. This something else has to be something you can understand thoroughly.

What, I ask, might you do?

What if you could emulate several things at once? Ask yourself, in earnest, if you were a very intelligent person, living in this story, what would you chose to emulate?

I ask all so that those considering in earnest might realize the madness that comes with such a condition.


I may have missinterpeted what you asked. I have a feeling I probably did, but I would emulate. . well, myself. I'd escape to within my own mind much like I do now. Only more so.

Oh, I go about life. I talk to people and have fun and think about the world around me. But a portion of my mind is creating a world. Actually, I'm currently working on a galaxy. I go through details and re wright reality to what I would prefer. I don't look at the mico, I look at the macro. Govermental politics. Racial tentions Magic (I have fun with this. Get to make my own laws)

This is partly why I have difficulty understanding the genious frustration with normal people. I don't care about other people for the most part. (I still want others to be happy and live a good life, but how they live that life? Meh) I've got my own people within my head to worry about.



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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 4:39:47 AM   
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Normal ranges 
Most subs and slaves have been normal. I couldn't relate to most. Normal people have natural IQ's not overly different from domesticated animals, in my opinion, with the notable exceptions of speech and fine manual dexterity. I regard most sub's/slave's in this range as pets. They were unable to understand my emotions, thoughts, or feelings.


Wow, you sure go to great lengths to win friends and influence people.  Does anyone take you seriously?



Actually, excuse a tired fellow for replying to this twice.  The first time was rather sarcastic- pointing out how silly were.  Though, this time, I'd like to use this as an excuse to elaborate.  This said..

Have you ever considered just how much you've thought in and of your own in this life?  Are you under some sort of misconception that its been very much?  Tell me, how much of what you "know" is unique to you?  How much do you carry, that isn't about your personal self, that's somehow a contribution to knowledge as opposed to one of your rambling thoughts based on your own feelings?

People have the fine art of langauge.  Our minor thoughts are spread- taking on demonic aires of their own lives.  We have a collective conscience, in many regards, thanks to language and the facts told to us.  We also benifit from use of tools- from a club to beat an animal we want to eat into a corpse to keyboards to enter rext into computers.  Some of us also have a somewhat unique attribute to alter our environment in our favor (and, no, I would not strongly count decoration in this regard; I'm speaking of construction, such as building houses or digging canals).

These factors seperate us from animals.  As I said, outside of them, we are not much brighter, if we are at all!

But, consider if you have only learned, as it seems the vast majority have, to take in facts as taught, and to interpret one's own emotions?  Are you, then, anything more than an animal, intellectually speaking?

The standard notions of IQ, as Aswad pointed out, are that humans are not significantly more intelligent than some of the most intelligent animals in certain stages of our developement.  I would contend that creatures such as elephants, dolphins, and whales can be quite cognatively active; it is not for lack of individual intelligence but facility and circumstance that such creatures are not so immediately known to be as such.

So, you can drive a car.  Congratulations.  You have fine manual dexerity and the benifit of another being teaching to you.  But do you know how a car works?  What that steering wheel is connected to?  What drives the car?  Even how that fuel you use in it is obtained?  (If you say, "The fuel comes from the ground, then refined"- and think that's somehow a significant answer- you're more than just a tad delussional.)

Humans are not capable of much free thought.  We're utterly stupid wretches.  Myself, I haven't thought in years- I'm too afraid to- not that my grades in the university would reflect this.  Know why?  They don't ask you to think.  You spit out the same junk.

Simply, few even think the limited amount that at least some of us are capable of.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 4:45:15 AM   
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Years pass. Elementary school just barely finishes. You discover your ability to emulate- to set off a portion of mind, one of your lines of thought, to either simulate something else. This something else has to be something you can understand thoroughly.

What, I ask, might you do?

What if you could emulate several things at once? Ask yourself, in earnest, if you were a very intelligent person, living in this story, what would you chose to emulate?

I ask all so that those considering in earnest might realize the madness that comes with such a condition.


I may have missinterpeted what you asked. I have a feeling I probably did, but I would emulate. . well, myself. I'd escape to within my own mind much like I do now. Only more so.

Oh, I go about life. I talk to people and have fun and think about the world around me. But a portion of my mind is creating a world. Actually, I'm currently working on a galaxy. I go through details and re wright reality to what I would prefer. I don't look at the mico, I look at the macro. Govermental politics. Racial tentions Magic (I have fun with this. Get to make my own laws)


Then you emulate your own fantascy world of your design.  A valid response, actually.  Have you ever tried anything else, or have you been content with this?

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 6:02:45 AM   
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Humans are not capable of much free thought.  We're utterly stupid wretches.  Myself, I haven't thought in years-


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 6:57:12 AM   
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Humans are not capable of much free thought.  We're utterly stupid wretches.  Myself, I haven't thought in years-
This would be quite obvious to the most casual observer.


I'm too afraid to- not that my grades in the university would reflect this.  Know why?  They don't ask you to think.  You spit out the same junk.
It would seem that you and I went to different universities.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 8:23:15 AM   
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Humans are not capable of much free thought.  We're utterly stupid wretches.  Myself, I haven't thought in years-
This would be quite obvious to the most casual observer.


I'm too afraid to- not that my grades in the university would reflect this.  Know why?  They don't ask you to think.  You spit out the same junk.
It would seem that you and I went to different universities.



Meh.  The first part's explained in the combination of your embitterment and disconcern for the idea of what independent thought is.
The second is simply from the latter.

Consider my point.  What did you actually think of in college?  Seriously- one thing that wasn't just a combination of other things you've been taught.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 9:44:10 AM   
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people have have taken the mensa iq test are rather diappointed when they take the standard test because they find that on the stannard test they are always 20 - 25 points lower than the mensa test...  mensa is sort of fudged.


Well, yeah, the general idea with the Mensa test is to measure 98th percentile and up, and to accurately discriminate scores in that range, so anyone who is not in the 98th percentile or better (sometimes the test will also cover a lower range, but usually not as precisely) will find that their test results come back below the lower measuring range of the test. And their "demo" tests online are more like "quizzes", not any accurate reflection of whether one is in the correct range.

More relevantly, though, why would you want to be part of Mensa?

To a greater extent than many other high-IQ societies, they have become increasingly arrogant over the years. And, more relevantly, they have become less focused on improving conditions in schools etc. for people with high IQ than many other high-IQ societies, so they're not doing as much for their target audience as they are bitching about how cool they are.


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 10:03:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Albert Einstein

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.


A genius "has no common sense" because most geniuses, common, think things through.  This is contrary to the notion of "common sense".  It's not, as you said, because they're somehow lacking in some area to balance out their noted cognative abilities.  They just assume less and think more.


I think the quote is misattributed. If not, and you can source it, please do everyone a favour and go add that source to the "Unsourced quotes" section of the Wikiquotes section on Albert Einstein. Don't get me wrong, I love the quote and use it a fair bit, and it doesn't matter who said it, it's still a brilliant quote; but it'd be nice to have it properly sourced. Whoever said it, deserves kudos for coming up with it.

And, yes, I totally agree with what the quote says. People often tell me something is "just" common sense, or that I should "just" let common sense be my guide, or somesuch. And I have a real problem with that, because I never acquired this "common sense", whatever it is. So I just treat it as if it means "just think it through", which makes me come up with very different answers in some areas than others, in part because I reject the notion of anything being truly "self-evident", and strongly prefer to try to peg things down to something fairly objective.

Disillusionment is a fairly common response to thinking "too much". When you start digging hard at a lot of concepts, all of them in fact, you discover that most are social constructs, and that there is no definition that will cover them; they are "consensus defined" (is that an oxymoron?) while there really isn't a consensus. In truth, you could say there's a kind of bell-curve distribution of where to draw the line for what one applies it to, and a slightly fatter distribution of where to draw the line for what one accepts others applying it to. That's horribly frustrating to someone that uses their cognitive abilities, rather than their "best fit" or "rote memorization" abilities.

In the arbitrariness of it all, many great thinkers have found themselves in a kind of limbo. Nietzsche referred to this as the "trap of nihilism", and rejected it by (among other things) saying that every such individual should create their own values and standards, and apply those instead. That certainly works for some, if not all, of these things, but it's hardly conducive to interoperating with others, and it can quickly lead to people being condescending or at least far from understanding. Case in point would be the "creepy crawly consent" thread (CuriousLord, I'd like for you to correct my line of reasoning in that thread, and the logic, if you don't mind and can spare the time; I'm sure you get the basic idea of what I was trying to convey (both with the words and the heavily abused logic bits) and can probably do that better than me right now. I haven't been sleeping very well these past few days, so I'm messing it up.)

There's really no balance to cognition.


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 10:33:24 AM   
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Figured as much. Don't give a rats trombone about mensa, but I do know a couple psychiatrists. Well, know of. Oh, and love reading your posts Aswad. Better than a couple books I've read :)


Thanks.

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I want to take the test because. well, I want to take it. No real reason other than curiosity as to what it would say. I'm not expecting any result. I'd be surpised if I got bellow average but I'd be more suprised if such a result negatively impacted me.


~nod~

It's always interesting to gauge performance.

The contest is always with yourself. You must always strive to "beat" yourself; to better yourself. There is no goalpost; it's successive approximation to an infinite, and thus unattainable, goal. In that, there are no betters, no peers, no inferiors; only fellow travellers, and those who do not travel that road.

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I may have missinterpeted what you asked. I have a feeling I probably did, but I would emulate. . well, myself. I'd escape to within my own mind much like I do now. Only more so.


~nod~

I spent elementary school walking in circles around the school (ADHD; I'm restless sometimes) and thinking. Sometimes with a friend (I only had one among the students until the second half of year 5), talking to him, sometimes not. Most of the time when by myself, I'd stay in the "confines" of my own head, which to me was not confinement at all. Some saw it as such, though, and suggested I might be autistic; savant abilities at math, which I have since lost through disuse, and excellent memory (more on that in a later post), strengthened their belief in that. Turned out not to be likely to be the case, though. It's just withdrawal into freedom.

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This is partly why I have difficulty understanding the genious frustration with normal people. I don't care about other people for the most part. (I still want others to be happy and live a good life, but how they live that life? Meh) I've got my own people within my head to worry about.


Become an author.

Robert Jordan isn't great because he's got all this cool, new stuff nobody's seen before.

He's great because he's taken a billion different themes from pre-existing stuff, added his own ideas to that, added his observations on the fairer sex to it (yes, most female readers find his portrayal of women in the series to be realistic), and then done a huge amount of work in going through the gruntwork of mapping out this setting to the tiniest details, and then started writing a story arc, with extensive notes along the way dealing with who's where at what time, what they're doing, and so forth, allowing him to make every single scene packed with as many layer of detail as you'd like to uncover. People spend days, nay months, poring over the books, piecing together clues to puzzles that some don't even notice are there.

At virtually any level, there are more things to uncover there.

After finishing the first book in the series, I think, out of 12 (about 800 pages each on average, the last volume estimated to be 1500 pages), he commented that he had about 50.000 pages of background information on his setting.

More recently, he commented that it had grown, and that he now had about 2 megabytes of text on every single person living in a particularly important building in the setting, and that's just the ones we will probably never see, or if we do, it's for a few paragraphs. He's got similarly sized files about every noteworthy topic in the series: the nations, the groups, the major characters, the particular concepts, and so forth.

His wife is putting together an encyclopædia of the setting when he's done, with help from him, if he can manage to beat the odds on primary amyloidosis (sp?) mean life expectancy.

And he's got the background for just about everything he's included in the series. Someone commented that they didn't think the knifework was realistic once. I'll quote the reply from his blog: "[...]the blade length depends. I just did a quick survey around my desk and environs, coming up with six knives that qualify if you allow the one-piece Ek with the parachute-cord wrapped hilt. The balance of it is just right. All have at least a slight protuberance demarcating the end of blade/beginning of hilt or vice versa. Blade length varies from five inches to seven inches.

The protuberance is all you need to keep your hand off the blade in a fight, really, and as for blade length, you’ll have be pretty thick if I can’t reach all of your vitals with five inches of steel. Heart or kidneys are all that really count in the trunk. Plus which, more often than stabbing I would be going for the blood vessels on the inside of the wrist, the inside of the elbow and/or the outside of the neck. Easier and quicker and surer to reach.

If it isn’t a knife fight, just a killing, then you come up from behind and insert your blade, parallel to the ground, into the side of the neck below the earlobe (distance to be adjusted per size of target), and thrust clear through to the other side thus slicing through the carotids, the jugular, the windpipe and the vocal cords. Some like to sweep the blade outward, slashing open the throat, but this is overly flamboyant, allows a lot of blood to escape (you might want to hide the sucker, after all), and sometimes allows him to get out something like a loud grunt, perhaps sufficient to alert others you would just as soon remained unalerted for the moment. Some people prefer doing a Wingate, but I think it’s iffy, myself. You give the guy that added split second to react.

And as for getting cut, one reason for throwing a knife rather than getting in close is to avoid getting cut. That doesn’t always work, of course,[...]
"

He did two tours in Vietnam, where he was nicknamed (depending on context) Ganesha the Remover of Obstacles (Hinduist reference; what the chopper pilots called him) or the Iceman (Eugene O'Neill reference to death; much disliked nickname after firing 3000 rounds off a gunboat when his sideman's gun jammed, killing everyone in the target area before the artillery strike hit).

Clearly, his writings portray violence quite differently from most High Fantasy, as well as the various kinds of people who do violence, or live with it.

This may seem a bit off topic, but it goes to what you said.

Become an author.

Map out your setting in great detail. Do the same for your characters. Play to your strengths.

Create a situation; a beginning, an end, and possibly some events you'd like to happen along that arc.

Recursively refine by successive approximation until you have the general gist of what will happen.

Familiarize yourself with the setting and characters. Start writing, keeping good notes along the way.

Don't worry about the quality of the writing; it will start out poor, then get better.

Observe how people talk about things, how they behave, study them, and use this to improve your portrayal of the characters.

Read lots of books, and try to pick up how to do the prose properly.

And bear in mind that the appearance of effortlessness and free flow only comes on the 8th or 9th rewrite; then comes editing.

In the end, you'll have a great work, and will have shared a part of yourself in a way most people cannot. You will have allowed many people to take part in your creation, and allowed them to experience a richness of fantasy that they themselves frequently will not have. Not necessarily because you have a better imagination than they do, or because you're a great writer, but because you have the capacity to go the distance.

Just my 2 cents.


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 10:42:18 AM   
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people have have taken the mensa iq test are rather diappointed when they take the standard test because they find that on the stannard test they are always 20 - 25 points lower than the mensa test...  mensa is sort of fudged.


Well, yeah, the general idea with the Mensa test is to measure 98th percentile and up, and to accurately discriminate scores in that range, so anyone who is not in the 98th percentile or better (sometimes the test will also cover a lower range, but usually not as precisely) will find that their test results come back below the lower measuring range of the test. And their "demo" tests online are more like "quizzes", not any accurate reflection of whether one is in the correct range.

More relevantly, though, why would you want to be part of Mensa?

To a greater extent than many other high-IQ societies, they have become increasingly arrogant over the years. And, more relevantly, they have become less focused on improving conditions in schools etc. for people with high IQ than many other high-IQ societies, so they're not doing as much for their target audience as they are bitching about how cool they are.



mensa imo is a joke frankly....   much like when they lowered the sat scores.  raising the iq scores for the same answers is the same.

Just for kicks i have asked several people who "thought" they were genius material to take an everyday standard ole iq test and in every case they came in at 20 - 25 lower iq the standard than they had on the mensa tests.    i am talking people with mensa iq's to the tune of 160 - 180 well into the 99.something range according to mensa.

just giving people a very big head imo. 


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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 6/5/2007 10:50:18 AM   
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People have the fine art of langauge. Our minor thoughts are spread- taking on demonic aires of their own lives. We have a collective conscience, in many regards, thanks to language and the facts told to us.


Are you familiar with the field of memetics, as in the "biology" of mémes?

I think it might be of interest to you. Cognitive ability is tied to abstract reasoning.

And memetics is basically addressing things at a different layer of abstraction.

As you know, the human body is comprised of a zillion cells; cells that divide, die and generally have a shorter, more transient existance than that of the sum total of the parts. A human is an abstraction over these cells, obviously. The cells come and go, yet the human, the abstraction, remains reasonably constant, and supports a level of complexity that each individual cell cannot. Indeed, a level of complexity that the cells cannot in any way comprehend, or relate to.

In the same manner, we may ascribe similar abstractions to thoughts and ideas, and apply other fields.

Through words and actions, interactions take place between humans, and one could indeed argue that the human collective supports a higher abstraction that has thought, and possibly consciousness (self-reference). The thoughts of such a being (if you will), and their nature, may be incomprehensible to us, in that we cannot relate directly, and they may be of higher complexity than we can deal with. One could even argue that such constitutes a form of godhood, relative to humans. The concept is interesting.

Or, at least, to me, it is interesting.

For, on a secular level, what is life but an emergent property of systems with ongoing processes, and what is a mind but an emergent property of a system of interactions? The implications are, to me, rather interesting. One can even go so far as to say that the entirety of our reality might be said to comprise an interacting system with ongoing processes to which one can ascribe such emergent properies. A form of omnitheism, in a sense, although not in the usual sense.

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Simply, few even think the limited amount that at least some of us are capable of.


Some are not afraid to try, though.

Despite probably having significantly lower IQ than you do (as I said, all tests I have done have a ceiling close to the 99th percentile, and I've scored at around ceiling level most of the time, which by the more common system is an IQ of only about 135 (SD15) or so), I've tried to apply it. There are times when I'm tempted not to, as you say, but I'll transpose a quote from Lt. Col. Dave Grossman into a different context:

"Every time you consider leaving home without it, just stop, and say to yourself: Baaah."

(Yes, that's a sheeple reference; this is from the text "On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdog", IIRC in the book "On Combat: The Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace")


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