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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:19:35 PM

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Freaking hate this thread being about me an if who I claim I am half of the time instead of about the subject.

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i suppose this is kind of a ratty thing to do, but didn't you say this:

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The highschool got an official IQ test from the state for me. The final report notes that I scored two points below genius (in the "highly gifted" range)

Okay, so people care. Here's the deal.

Prep school for 10th-12th grade (with UVa on the side in 12th). I had fallen apart towards the end of 9th grade at a military academy. Finished up my last 4.0 year there. I had random episodes of violence, when people bugged me, but held together, for the most part. Hell summer after that.

At the prep school, the professors noted I was very bright, but hardly cared about anything, and slept through most of the classes I bothered to attend. They wanted answers for my erratic behavior. The school "generously" agreed to get some kind of IQ test for me. They said it cost 1-1.5 kUSD, so I should be grateful. Tution per year was 25 kUSD. I doubt it was that hard on them. But that's a side rant.

The test was supposed to be from early morning to mid-afternoon. Upon arriving (I got the days off school, so I was happy), aparently the doctor noted I wasn't fit to take it. But the school wasn't exactly paying her enough to do it at my lesuire. So, we started. Towards the end of half the tests, I fell asleep. The test didn't compensate for takers who were at less-than-peak performance. In the end, my score was 2 points short of it. The doctor concluded that, if in even one of the half a dozen tests, I had managed to stay awake longer, I'd have made it pretty easily, and wrote a rather ego-indulging letter about the execellence my performance despite being exhausted.

That's the story. If you think tests suck, fine, and whatever. Just, please, enough about me. If you think I'm a phony, fine. But this is a good thread about something that matters a lot in my life- and I'm really anxious to have a discussion about it. I'm hoping to better understand myself through all of this junk. But not by people discussing if I'm really smart. Just want to know how people view it and what they think about it. [/rant]

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:23:16 PM

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Consider that, as time goes on forever, all possibilities will be fulfilled.

I'm not sure I buy this premise. I can think of any number of possibilities that will never be fulfilled. Napoleon will never invade Britain, for example.

If it never happens, then it was never actually a possibility, right?

Still, if you assume the universe, as it is now, continues forever, then you can assume that a Earth like our own will eventually spawn, and Napoleon will do it in one of those similar plants. The chances are beyond ridicilously slim, but that's the beauty of infinity- it goes on forever. Any nonzero chance taken over and over for infinity will eventually happen.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:26:58 PM

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If it never happens, then it was never actually a possibility, right?

No. Take an election, for example. There's a possiblity that the Democrat will win. There's also a possibility that the Republican will win. Only one of those possibilities will be realized (assuming the election is not in Florida).

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:31:07 PM

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i once told my um that all genius's are crazy (cant be help as they worry about the bigger things all the time) and all artist are freaks. so all artist geniuses are crazy freaks.

Finally, I feel understood.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:34:10 PM

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If it never happens, then it was never actually a possibility, right?

No. Take an election, for example. There's a possiblity that the Democrat will win. There's also a possibility that the Republican will win. Only one of those possibilities will be realized (assuming the election is not in Florida).

I believe this is perceived possibility versus actual probability.

Say you walk up to me on the street. I have a table with three cups. You trust me enough to know that, when I say there's a ball under a cup, there really is. The ball is under the center cup.

You think about it, and you come to the conclusion there's a third of a chance for the ball to be under any cup. This is the preceived chance.

Should we replay the game a thousand times over, the ball will always be under the center up, and neither of the side cups ever actually had a possiblity of having the ball under it.

You're not incorrect to analyze the cups has having a third chance each.. as far as you know.

In the same way, the future is going to happen as it does. One of the canidates will be chosen. We don't know the results of it, but it will happen as it does, and there's no other way it could happen.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:45:24 PM

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I think we're defining "possibility" differently. I see a possibility as something that might happen, and I honestly believe that's how most people use the word. You seem to be defining it as only what actually does happen.

Given that more things might happen than do happen (the Mets and Yankees can't both win the World Series), it would appear that some possibilities do indeed go unrealized.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:46:54 PM

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Whatever--I'm a genius and I'm not insane.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:48:35 PM

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Yeah, that's just what I'm saying.

There's a perceived possibility- which you're talking about. These can go unrealized.
Then there's an actual possibility- which my theory uses. These can work. And, over the course of infinity, do.

Anyhow, that's just what I mean in the proof thingie.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:50:01 PM

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Heh.. someone saying they're "not insane" with a picture of humping elephants. Not that I'm saying it invalidates your point, but it's a good chuckle. :P

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:51:18 PM

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I'm a genius and I'm not insane.

Every rule need an exception to prove it. Good to see you, LaM!

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:54:33 PM

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Consider that, as time goes on forever, all possibilities will be fulfilled.
Consider that the micromers of "God" must fulfill all possible patterns- including death.

In your proof, are you using "possibilty" in a perceived or actual way. Perhaps death is not an actual possibility for God.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:55:04 PM

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Whatever--I'm a genius and I'm not insane.

Whoot the ephalants are back!

Yes I misspelled with intent.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 9:59:57 PM

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An actual way.

If a being needs to meet a certain physical definition to be alive- i.e., animate, acting in manners conductive to growth and/or reproduction, etc.- then God, should he be alive, must also meet some sort of defintion to define him as being alive. If all the components that construct him fall apart, and end it, then he'd be dead- no two ways about it.

This is, assuming he only is an internal threat to himself, not even taking into account external threats.

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Just to add, the proof basically disproves immorality, then God through being defined as immortal.

This idea also goes to apply to that we, should that silly notion of "souls" go on, also could not be immortal in any afterlife.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:05:16 PM

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If a being needs to meet a certain physical definition to be alive- i.e., animate, acting in manners conductive to growth and/or reproduction, etc.- then God, should he be alive, must also meet some sort of defintion to define him as being alive. If all the components that construct him fall apart, and end it, then he'd be dead- no two ways about it.

I'm not sure a physical definition works for a noncorporeal God. I'm also not sure that God has "components."

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:06:09 PM

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It's not really a grand proof of epic enlightenment. It's just some common sense.

Consider the universe. Divide it up into quanta- whatever level you like. You can even assume strings are far from elementary.
Take the Christian notion of God as being one that has lived forever before making the world and forever since.
Consider that, as time goes on forever, all possibilities will be fulfilled.
Consider that the micromers of "God" must fulfill all possible patterns- including death.
Observation: immortality is impossible.
Observation: the Christian God is immortal.
Conclusion: the Christian God is impossible.

To me, there is a bit too much theory here, to qualify as proof of anything.

I also think you walk a slippery slope trying to prove lack of existance, for something you claim doesn't exist ... if you get my meaning. By it's very lack of existance, it defies any measurement or definitive statements with which to support a theory. When don't angels live on pin-heads? ... Answer: they always don't????

Attempting to divide the Universe, may also be a wording flaw. Many would consider the Universe to be infinate, and as such would defy division of any kind. As it's line one, you may want to work on that a bit before you use it to pick up hotties at dinner parties.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:07:14 PM

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If a being needs to meet a certain physical definition to be alive- i.e., animate, acting in manners conductive to growth and/or reproduction, etc.- then God, should he be alive, must also meet some sort of defintion to define him as being alive. If all the components that construct him fall apart, and end it, then he'd be dead- no two ways about it.

I'm not sure a physical definition works for a noncorporeal God. I'm also not sure that God has "components."

It something interacts with reality, it must be part of it.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:10:28 PM

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It's alright.. it works perfectly. Just not a conclusion most people like.

'sides, if I wanted to pick up hotties, I think talking about something artsy would work better. I've rarely found girls to like me for intelligence. I typically downplay it- heavily. Most people hate people being more than just a little smarter than them. To them, you're just a reminder of their flaws. They hate being around you or considering you in earnest.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:17:39 PM

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Not so true really.

Most men your age, at least the one's I know, are so lacking in confidence that they want a girl that will act a little dumb for them. Dating a smarter guy, makes that much easier.

A girl that lacks confidence herself, take me for instance, will tend to manipulate men your age, which is generally super easy ... but the smarter the guy, the better the rush.

Harsh, I know ... but at least I'm honest.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:18:30 PM

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If a being needs to meet a certain physical definition to be alive- i.e., animate, acting in manners conductive to growth and/or reproduction, etc.- then God, should he be alive, must also meet some sort of defintion to define him as being alive. If all the components that construct him fall apart, and end it, then he'd be dead- no two ways about it.

I'm not sure a physical definition works for a noncorporeal God. I'm also not sure that God has "components."

It something interacts with reality, it must be part of it.

Says who?

More seriously, can't something be part of reality without being corporeal? Time isn't physical; does that mean it doesn't exist?

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/24/2007 10:19:40 PM

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A girl that lacks confidence herself, take me for instance,

You always seem so confident (in a good way) in your posts, Caitlyn.

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