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So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 7:53:55 AM

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It seems the people who do the greatest things for humanity are always christened insane while the monsters are christened heros.. whats up with that?

Short 14min clip of the beginning of the industrial; age and the insanity that took us there.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=448493458864593229&q

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 9:19:28 AM

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I didn't watch your video, but I'll field your question.

To make the point I'll tell you this : there are two sides to just about anythiong in life.

Now consider : Ignorance is bliss.

Just think of the flipside of that. Really, that is what it is. The more I know the more I am ready to go out in a blaze of glory. But that is not insanity, not yet.

The insanity comes because there is no clear target, nobody to hit to make things better, in fact anything that could be done would be counterproductive. After what I said about McVeigh, don't expect anything from me. I am not doing anything. There is nothing I can do. Even if Bush and I were in a room alone and I had a gun, do you want Cheney for President ? Get it ?

That is the worst kind of stress, things that have no solution. The genius personality seeks always to solve problems, that is how they get to be a genius. A certain amount of emotional detachment must occur for the genius to maintain some semblence of sanity, and that is precisely where the insanity comes in.

This detachment is difficult to control, and impossible for some. If you have any significant degree of empathy for humanity, and you know too much, it is a hard road. I don't need to watch your video, I live.

Why are monsters hailed as heroes ? Because they do drastic things. Hitler was a hero to the German People in the 1930s because he did drastic things. He told the French to stick it up their ass and then invaded them. When you need a wheelbarrel full of money to buy a postage stamp, perhaps it is time for drastic action. Those who we would typically call sane will not do such things.

Perhaps the founding Fathers of this country were insane. What 'sane' people tell you to do is vote and change comes from within. But they are not genius caliber. Smart people know better, that we need better candidates. I have said it before, we need to get into the process of choosing candidates, rather than letting big money do it.

A genius will look for the root of a problem rather than a quick fix, but when the root of the problem is nested in the past, before any of us were born, the problem looks insurmountable, and it is. Indeed it is.

And that is why I am crazy. I don't go postal (notice how that term is unique to the US) because of two reasons. First of all it does no good. And second of all I kinda like my life the way it is. I like my beer and other things, I have good friends and things that money cannot buy. Not that I have any more. All I know is that at this point in time I'll keep my life. It is not perfect, but it is mine.

I do not call myself a genius, but I think I can understand. When you come across someone like me, don't antagonize him. With all my self control and everything that could be considered virtuous about me, a couple weeks ago I put my fist through a solid wood door. I don't mean the cheap $39 kind.

And I am not that strong, I just know how to throw it. I was just under incredible pressure and people were not cooperating. A genius needs some measure of control over his environment. Take that away, usually insanity will follow shortly.

And, even though I regained my composure, my friends, the truth is that I am slowly losing it. I really am. I hardly work anymore, I can't take it. Losing a hundred and whatever bucks every day I take off, and gaining the ire of my employer.

There are days when I know I can't handle it. "Gimme the biggest fucking hammer in this place". I could see it now. I don't know what to say or do anymore, there is no solution. For someone like me it is suffocating.

And that is why I am not afraid to die. It would be a welcome rest. I am also curious about what is on the other side, if anything, but when the simple fact that it will be over becomes enticing, watch out.

Now get your head out of Webster's and think about more subtle definitions of words. An insane person has thoughts and feeling not experienced by normal people. What of a genius ?

The insane do things, or do things in a way normal people do not, again, what about the genius ?

It is like the similarity of the words 'motor' and 'engine'. The dictionary doesn't really give you much on the difference, just as it doesn't point out the similarity between insanity and genius. If you like I can point out the difference between a motor and an engine. And I can point out the similarity between insanity and genius. I think I have.

A genius in some cases thinks of the body of knowledge he has as a pyramid, or a lattice, like a crystal structure. If you have a good solid base, the body of knowledge can grow easily. If you do not, growth is inhibited.

With existing knowledge you either accept or reject new information. It is either 'I don't buy that', or 'Hmmmm'. If one makes the right decisions, the knowledge base grows. If one accepts the wrong 'facts' and tries to incorporate them, thing go wrong.

Then there are people with perverse desires. Sexual predators, voyeurs, compulsives, even grifters have perverse desires. One can have a perverse desire for money. One must be a genius to achieve the goal, which is to satisfy the desire. Serial killers operate for years before getting caught, they can't do this if they are stupid. And it has been said that they fuck up on purpose and get caught. Perhaps there is just a little slice of morality in them, and it eventually catches up. Other times it is just that shit happens. Even when that is the case, alot of them start confessing and solve all kinds of mysteries.

There is a very fine line between genius and insanity. I might not be a genius, but I am not stupid. I know how fucked up the world is. I don't like it. Even problems that should've been left at work run through my head. I need intoxicants simply to slow down. To slow down your thoughts is akin to being able to look at them in a magnifying glass.

Also intoxicants allow one to think and act like normal people for a time. We know those problems are there in the morning after, but a temporary break, a vacation of a few hours is enough sometimes to maintain one's apparent sanity. But I am indeed insane. I just control it.

When I see a high powered weapon or explosive device I think 'what could I do with this ?', but in reality, the answer is nothing. There is no viable target. There is no target, even if I could destroy it completely, that would do We The People any good. It is always counterproductive.

So there is no solution at this time. That is a living hell.

Maybe I'll watch your video later, but I don't see the point in it. I am actually getting to the point where I do not want to know any more. Man's inhumanity to Man is getting quite overwhelming.

The problem comes when you start to really care. Live my hell for a day and I bet you wind up in a straitjacket. And I don't mean playtime.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 9:36:52 AM

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All existence came from nothingness, as it stretched or compressed.
All matter is a similar form of energy released.
   This matter is Field energy hens a plasmatic.

This would explain all matter change and interaction..
   String theory is simple discharged current.
And ring theory is simply Field energy.

Example. gravity feild...lightning discharged energy.
   All matter stores this energy, and can produce it through interaction.
Proof...earth quakes make ball lightning.
Fast moving salt water can make electrical current.
   Sand over a PVC pipe can eventually make static.
And that ball thing from myth busters can really zap your @$$.

So I state that all matter can be controlled by this Field.
Split apart or placed back together in an even greater Field.
   Theory- black hole...

I,m not a genius..
Ha,ha just insane..

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 9:56:03 AM

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Now consider : Ignorance is bliss.

There is no viable target. There is no target, even if I could destroy it completely, that would do We The People any good. It is always counterproductive. Even if Bush and I were in a room alone and I had a gun, do you want Cheney for President ? Get it ?

So there is no solution at this time. The problem comes when you start to really care.

There actually is a target. But you're right, there is no solution at this time. The people simply won't band together if they fear they have something to lose.

It doesn't matter that the way things are now structured, 95% of the population scrambles to compete for 5% of the wealth. Or that the deck is stacked, and the whole system is slanted in favor of the elite.

Right, wrong, or indifferent... currently, a high enough percentage of people believe they have a big enough piece of the pie. So they'll keep their mouths shut, kiss the ass of the PTB, and remain content... out of fear they might otherwise lose what little they now have.

Until this changes, we won't be removed from the status quo anytime soon.

So have that beer brother, and relax. There's no point in allowing anxiety to build over worrying about things we have absolutely no control.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 10:08:13 AM

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The insanity comes because there is no clear target, nobody to hit to make things better, in fact anything that could be done would be counterproductive. After what I said about McVeigh, don't expect anything from me. I am not doing anything. There is nothing I can do. Even if Bush and I were in a room alone and I had a gun, do you want Cheney for President ? Get it ?

Ok one Cheney would have a heart attack in office from the stress of leading the free world. That would put Nancy Pelosi in the white house. Two why shoot him? Everyone would knwo it was you unless you made him shoot himself. i'd just hand him a bowl of preztles and sit back and wait. The hypothetical assassination of Bush should be far more imaginative that a bullet to the brain.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 10:15:08 AM

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knowing all that geniuses know...it would drive anyone insane...LOL

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 10:33:05 AM

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i once told my um that all genius's are crazy (cant be help as they worry about the bigger things all the time) and all artist are freaks. so all artist geniuses are crazy freaks.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 10:41:35 AM

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Geniuses have different/unique brain-wave patterns. They can be compared to a serial killers
brain activity and look quite a bit alike. The difference is in the frontal lobe where
self-control is maintained.
I would agree with the above statement that a genius will look deeper into a problem
and usually come up with a better answer faster. And the mind of a genius never
stops.
Some may have started out in elemtary school as average or below average, their desires
of learning more geared towards abstract. At some point a teacher may have a great influence
or teach them a way that clicks, propelling their mind into high speed and suddenly
able to see the problem and resolution.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/22/2007 10:51:11 AM

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In order to see new solutions the brain must think in out of the box ways. Very few Geniuses are genius in all catagories, most are quite clueless in most areas. But here is a basic logical fact, while all geniuses can be considered at least a little insane, the vast majority of the insane have absolutly no aspect of genius at all. And being called crazy often does not make you a genius. And if you self identify as a genius, you probably aren't.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 9:11:54 AM

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i once told my um that all genius's are crazy (cant be help as they worry about the bigger things all the time) and all artist are freaks. so all artist geniuses are crazy freaks.

Haha! G1!

Yeh and tesla would calculate howmany cubic inches of food he was consuming at each meanl! LOL his napkins and most things in his life had to be divisible by 3. lots of strange quirks yet he gave us the life we have today.,.. its amazing imo...

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 9:25:14 AM

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Right, wrong, or indifferent... currently, a high enough percentage of people believe they have a big enough piece of the pie. So they'll keep their mouths shut, kiss the ass of the PTB, and remain content... out of fear they might otherwise lose what little they now have.

Until this changes, we won't be removed from the status quo anytime soon.

agreed totally!

and you know one point for bush is getting rid of scoial security (which is purely communism )

Today, Senator Murray joined other Democratic leaders at the FDR memorial to honor the founder of Social Security and re-affirm her commitment to fight for the values he championed at a time when President Bush wants to dismantle the insurance program that generations of Americans have come to rely on. Earlier in the day, Murray spoke on the Senate floor to declare her strong opposition to President Bush's risky privatization scheme.
Thursday, February 3, 2005

http://murray.senate.gov/photos/display.cfm?id=231607

Later pyramid schemers included the Reagan administration's commission led by Alan Greenspan, which "saved" Social Security with frequent, automatic tax increases into the next century. No leader in either party will speak out against Social Security. Doing so is supposed to be political suicide. But so angry are the American people at all welfare, the time may have arrived when it isn't. Other Republicans, even those with a conservative reputation like Newt Gingrich, passionately defend the program. When Clinton's budget director Alice Rivlin suggested slightly cutting the rate of increase in benefits during the campaign, the Republicans went nuts. They attacked the Democrats for wanting to cut spending.

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=264&sortorder=articledate

of course this is what you get once a system like this is created. Those who think they are getting something for free, and also those who have invest4ed in it will hang on for dear life.

Little do they know that there oare other ways that would pay out 4 to 5 times more money to SS recipeints and prevent the government from stealing it from us as they do now!!!!

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 12:22:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: subfever
Right, wrong, or indifferent... currently, a high enough percentage of people believe they have a big enough piece of the pie. So they'll keep their mouths shut, kiss the ass of the PTB, and remain content... out of fear they might otherwise lose what little they now have.

Until this changes, we won't be removed from the status quo anytime soon.

agreed totally!

and you know one point for bush is getting rid of scoial security (which is purely communism )

Today, Senator Murray joined other Democratic leaders at the FDR memorial to honor the founder of Social Security and re-affirm her commitment to fight for the values he championed at a time when President Bush wants to dismantle the insurance program that generations of Americans have come to rely on. Earlier in the day, Murray spoke on the Senate floor to declare her strong opposition to President Bush's risky privatization scheme.
Thursday, February 3, 2005

http://murray.senate.gov/photos/display.cfm?id=231607

Later pyramid schemers included the Reagan administration's commission led by Alan Greenspan, which "saved" Social Security with frequent, automatic tax increases into the next century. No leader in either party will speak out against Social Security. Doing so is supposed to be political suicide. But so angry are the American people at all welfare, the time may have arrived when it isn't. Other Republicans, even those with a conservative reputation like Newt Gingrich, passionately defend the program. When Clinton's budget director Alice Rivlin suggested slightly cutting the rate of increase in benefits during the campaign, the Republicans went nuts. They attacked the Democrats for wanting to cut spending.

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=264&sortorder=articledate

of course this is what you get once a system like this is created. Those who think they are getting something for free, and also those who have invest4ed in it will hang on for dear life.

Little do they know that there oare other ways that would pay out 4 to 5 times more money to SS recipeints and prevent the government from stealing it from us as they do now!!!!

IMO… Social Security was a ready-made “solution” to the intentionally created Great Depression. The PTB was well aware that hungry people would welcome any relief, and chose to ignore addressing the cause and the easy solution to the cause.

Social Security treated a symptom, not a cause. Since then, the American people have been fully indoctrinated to treat symptoms instead of causes, whether it be in the political, social, medical, or pretty much any arena.

Social Security also enabled the PTB to greatly expand government size and power... to further the agendas of the PTB, and to further indoctrinate the people to believe that they need the government to support them. As you mentioned, such systems create hoards of exploiters and malingerers, which only serve to entrench the system even more deeply.

Meanwhile, 95% of the people scratch and claw over 5% of the wealth, the monetary/economic system still slants heavily in favor of the elite, the PTB furthers their agenda, and the people blindly continue to argue whether the left or the right is the cause of all problems.

The need for Social Security is just one of the grand illusions created and perpetuated by the PTB to keep the masses controlled and living in fear. And brother, do American people swallow illusions hook, line, and sinker!

But I'll lay a fin to a donut that this country will continue to employ the band-aid on the bullet wound approach, and that the status-quo won't change anytime soon.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 12:54:44 PM

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I have no idea as to an answer to the OP's question.

Though it is nice to know that people were being nice about my intellectual abilities when they said I was nuts.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 1:59:45 PM

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It seems the people who do the greatest things for humanity are always christened insane while the monsters are christened heros.. whats up with that?

what's up is faulty logic. the people who "do the greatest things for humanity" aren't necessarily geniuses (being exceptionally intelligent or creative). they may just be those who know how to get things done, or recognize a solution others haven't seen as feasible. many who are seen as being a genius aren't seen as such for some time. one might also wonder what is considered a great thing for humanity; is it a painting, a body of music, a theory, an experiment in living, pushing for recognition of a concept, a transcontinental railroad, etc.?

i live with a true genius; this person was born this way, wasn't nurtured by teachers to become what he/she is, and isn't insane. this person clearly sees solutions to problems of great magnitude, but also realizes how inherently difficult it is (and how frustrating) to have masses of people do what it takes to reach these solutions. eventually will he/she see some of their thoughts to fruition? only time will tell. but you've got two disparate groups compared here. all geniuses aren't insane, all insane people aren't geniuses, and it's not just geniuses who do great things for humanity, nor are those who do great things for humanity necessarily geniuses (or insane). yes, i know that was a bit redundant.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 2:08:28 PM

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I think that the people who are geniuses are often seen as "insane" because they are detached from the world just enough to see it clearly, in a way that other people don't.

You can't clearly see the earth if you are standing on it. The only way you can see it for what it really is, is from space.

I have the same basic inkling about the really creative people in history... poets, writers, composers, artists... I think, the human condition is perhaps best understood and expressed by people who are just detached enough from reality to see the whole thing at once.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 3:28:10 PM

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Didn't watch the video. As a genius, though, I'd like to answer.

People don't understand what it means to be a genius. They think it means we're better at school, or have more knowledge about things, or speak more articulately. They fail to grasp the sheer magnitude of the difference in nature. They have no idea exactly how stupid they are compared to us.

If you're a moderately-gifted person, think of how a mentally retarded person looks to you. That's how you look to a genius.
If you're a normal person, or lower, you probably aren't even able to grasp the sheer magnitude of difference outside of vague analogy.

This has to be understood to truly appreciate the next part. More intelligent people perceive the world different. Radically more intelligent people perceive the world radically differently. The observer's inability to comprehend reasoning leads to an apperance of insanity.

It's too easy to hate people for looking like you, for physically appearing like you, yet never even truly living in your eyes. My apologies if such a hatred seaps through in my words.

It's also easy to hate people for standing against better interests out of their stupidity. But I doubt I could explain it to lesser minds.

I work, strongly, to constrain my speech to simple words and try to use only simple thoughts and concepts and say easy things with plenty of examples. There are things I consider stupidly trivial- obvious- that most common people will never even begin to understand. I have to make sure to only talk about even stupidier things, and even then I find many people fail to understand.

Their mistake is in assuming that being human in DNA means being human in their preconceptions.

This is the best I can do at explaining without hurting peoples' egos enough that they shut the minds to it completely.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 4:24:35 PM

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if i weren't such a dolt, so far below anyone with significant intellect that i've no idea what anyone is talking about, i just might take a wee bit of offense at being belittled so.

just because someone functions on a different plane is no cause to think that anyone with a "lesser mind" can't fathom something. i'd be a teche careful treading where one doesn't know what's under the surface of one's foot. i do believe tact is one of the higher functioning blessings which one has at one's disposal.

sometimes some people are ignorant; they are not necessarily stupid.

edited to ad: ah, the idealism of youth...

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 4:30:04 PM

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Genius's are insane because they can't find anyone intelligent to talk to?:)

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 4:36:52 PM

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It seems the people who do the greatest things for humanity are always christened insane while the monsters are christened heros.. whats up with that?

what's up is faulty logic. the people who "do the greatest things for humanity" aren't necessarily geniuses (being exceptionally intelligent or creative). they may just be those who know how to get things done, or recognize a solution others haven't seen as feasible. many who are seen as being a genius aren't seen as such for some time. one might also wonder what is considered a great thing for humanity; is it a painting, a body of music, a theory, an experiment in living, pushing for recognition of a concept, a transcontinental railroad, etc.?

i live with a true genius; this person was born this way, wasn't nurtured by teachers to become what he/she is, and isn't insane. this person clearly sees solutions to problems of great magnitude, but also realizes how inherently difficult it is (and how frustrating) to have masses of people do what it takes to reach these solutions. eventually will he/she see some of their thoughts to fruition? only time will tell. but you've got two disparate groups compared here. all geniuses aren't insane, all insane people aren't geniuses, and it's not just geniuses who do great things for humanity, nor are those who do great things for humanity necessarily geniuses (or insane). yes, i know that was a bit redundant.

well tesla pretty much put us in the modern age of electricity, motors, radio, radar, and we would have endless amounts of free energy that would have been trasnmitted through the air for both our houses and cars and anything else we wanted to use it for. Of course jp morgan could not put a meter on it so he cut teslas funding and the fbi of all people torn down his toewr fro doing just that. People today do not realize it but this is no charade but the real stuff! He was really quicky... i mean can you imagine a guy who fist calculates his dinner LOL Howard hughes was that way too... To my way of thinking the man was a hero to this country and i am very sad we treated him like dirt and even more sad that our government ransacked his offices stealing his work rather than disclosing it to the public as it was not theirs to take. anyway he had lots of like flashbacks or forwards or... all strange stuff... but obvioulsy a heart of gold for humanity, imagine a plan to give us free energy! Thand and many do not knwo but in the 30 years he was in his hayday every freaking invetion he made worked first time out of the box! i do not know anyone in hiustory that can claim anything close to that.

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RE: So Why Are All The Genius's Insane? - 5/23/2007 4:37:59 PM

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I have a question, if a subbie has a genius IQ(160 or so). What affect might that have on finding a compatible partner/Dom/Domme? As one of the above posters stated geniuses tend to overthink or constantly dwell on things, which would affect finding a partner. Guess my main question is have any subbies with genius IQ have problems in relationships? Especially in a Dom/sub relationship.

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