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ORIGINAL: Faramir
You're right. As you have found out, the "eat less/exercise more" protocol doesn't work. It's another variation on sickness: do something healthy (exercise) and do something sick (starve yourself of the food your body needs). Of course that strange variation of sickness is unsutainable: "no one has the discipline to keep laboring at a non-income producing activity they find unpleasant."
You'e taken the wrong conclusion from this however. Because you found a sickness protocol (exercise and starve) reproduced sickness, you've decided your only option is sickness, or perhaps in your case, mild sickness: not-health.
If you follow a health protocol (exercise and eating, vice exercise and starving), you'll be able to be healthy, and have your body reflect in its appearence your health, because form follows function.
First, I'd like to congratulate you on perhaps the best signature I've seen here.
Second, I do *not* look like you, but I am healthy, I eat well and try to exercise well and be active.
I had a physical fitness trainer as a submissive, and we worked out a system that I carry through to this day, even though I currently have no submissive.
That system is simple: Never have your sub do something that you wouldn't do yourself, do the activity with your sub, and communicate, communicate, communicate.
If I want to sculpt how she looks in order to make her healthier, I feel I should be willing to do the same for myself.
My .02USD
I have to 100% agree on the signature... I've seen comparable in creativity and so forth, but this one takes the cake when it comes to causing a belly laugh...
I love it. Stoicism99... That system is something that should be followed in daily life, no matter what the matter at hand, be it diet, fitness, protocols, sexuality, pain play, it doesn't matter. But that of course, that's my decision for myself, and how I live, far be it for me to tell you that you have to do that.
But all of that is a necessity, in so far as communication, working with someone, not just barking orders as some are want to do...
I also have to agree that you are right on the money with the proper out-look on what it's about Faramir, but I'm thinking that people need something a little more solid to go on, other than form follows function, because that's not self definitive.
I mean... It is... But it isn't. There's no "reason why" in the mix, and that's essential for people to "get it" properly.
It's not just eating. It's eating right. There is such a thing as "correct portions", for example.
There is also something inherently evil in diets in general. You must take in enough calories to burn when you exercise, and enough calories to burn throughout your normal daily activities, in addition to those that you burn when you sleep. Not all at once, obviously, this would enforce bad eating habits, but throughout your day.
I don't have the formula... Sorry. I wish I did. But there is a calculation that you can utilize to determine, based on your workout during the day, as well as the types of other activities that you engage in daily, and in addition, calculating in your sleeping schedule and so forth, which will tell you precisely how many calories you need to burn off at a minimum to achieve your goals, and I believe there is one for the maximum, so you don't burn yourself out. I just don't have it.
Obviously, it's not just eating either, it's also the liquid intake, and more importantly, productive liquid intake. Eight - 8oz. glasses of fresh, clean NON-tap water is best throughout the day. No less, but maybe more, if you are expending more energy and producing sweat, which obviously drains the system of hydration.
Sticking to fish, light amounts of pork, chicken and cutting red meats to a bare minimum, if not out altogether would be good starts. Grill, don't fry anything. Don't eat battered nothing, but for once in awhile.
See, what happens when you go on these starvation runs, and you take these "diets" which aren't a healthy way to feed the body, you are causing your body to go into a mode where it stores 80% of everything that comes in, because it has to have it so that it can cope when you go onto an unreasonable rampage of starvation and mad exercise, or whatever it is that some quacked diet is telling you to do.
You don't "diet" in the sense of not eating. You diet in the sense of "balancing your diet" with healthy foods, that are high in the proper carbs, calories and low in the improper carbs and calories and further balanced in other key nutrients and minerals and vitamins. People focus too much on calories and carbs. All carbohydrates aren't created equal either. Some are healthy, and in fact, required.
What peeps imho need to focus on, are the nutrients they take in, and what those nutrients do for the body. And in what amounts they take them in. It's a much more holistic approach to both preventative medicine and proper balance of the body's over all health.
I'm not really a certified nutritionist here, and I'm not sure there's anyone here that is, but I could be wrong. The point is that with some research, you find what it is that your body type will accept as the proper nutrition, then you begin to build up on your exercise regimen and you take it a step at a time.
Build up to your prime work-out and you'll find yourself quickly up to speed, enjoying the exercise, eating healthy, and as Faramir says, enjoying your food, while balancing the body and reducing fat retention and toning muscle and all of this simultaneously.
Incidently... It's never really "weight loss" that you're after. It's "size reduction" or "proportioning". And this is for the same reason that when you gain muscle, you gain weight, though you might lose inches. Muscle not just weighs more, but it weighs nearly twice as much for half the space.
So if you're gaining muscle and "losing weight" in the traditional parlance, and you gain 3 lbs. and lose 1/2" you've likely STILL lost 1 and 1/2# of fatty tissue, even though you've "technically" been told by the scale you've not lost, but gained "weight".
Just trying to put that in perspective. I've never been one to be fat, but I studied this stuff in high school, weight training as well as during a period when I was in an MLM called first fitness.
For anyone that is having a hard time staying to a certain size while lifting weights...
Stop lifting them for muscle build and power and start lifting them for toning.
More weight + Less reps = Mass gain and power build.
Less weight + More reps = Muscle maintenance, tightening and toning.
So drop some weight off, as you double your reps. See how that works for you. Or go for more natural toning methods, such as dynamic tension, rather than free weights.
Free weights are actually somewhat unhealthy. They aren't good for the joints. Excess wear and tear, and on the tendons as well. Most people are probably better off with stretching and dynamic tension and breathing exercises as a form of exercise.
The reason why, is this is zero impact on the joints while still working the musculature...
Dynamic tension? Oh, right... Same system developed by Charles Atlas. Patterned after how tigers keep themselves in shape. It's working one muscle group against another.
Dynamic tension actually plays itself out excellently with what's called "sticking hands" exercises. This is where you touch a partner, arm to arm, and you are sitting, facing one another... You can be standing too, but to start, you want to be sitting... There will be lots of falling over. The idea is to "feel" without looking, where the partners energy is going, and to counter act and reverse the energy flow.
This requires dynamic tension to a degree, and you'll feel it after less than 5 minutes of working out with it, your first time trying.
Sit, cross legged, or in lotus or half lotus... (this is that funky meditation position you see in old martial arts films)...
Both partners extend their arms, palms up, fingers extended, and touch one anothers forearms, each partner with one forearm to the outside... Meaning staggered... right arm of partner a. to the outside of left arm of partner b.
right arm of partnr b. to the outside of partner a.
Begin rotational "pushing" exercise. This means that someone will start by rotating their arms in a circle against the opposing limbs, the follower playing defense, and feeling the "attack"... Without breaking contact with one another, one will lead off, and then it's free flow, as each attempts to find the weakness in the others chi... (energy) When one finds the weakness, it's a simple matter of "shoving it" off balance.
This is an awesome workout, when applied regularly. And it's fun... And it's practical, as you become more aware of energies around you, and that's important in self defense, as much as it is in dealing with other people.
Oh... And it must be done eyes shut
I apologize if I've just gone all lecture... Didn't mean to... But it's something I thought might help...
Especially the dynamic tension and attempting to understand how to apply the function principle that Faramir was referring to, in order to get form to follow suit.
Now, Faramir, if I missed something let me know, but that's just my limited take on it, in regards to my knowledge level. I know there's a lot more to finding the right foods for body types, etc. I haven't done all that research.
As always, there's something somewhere for everyone to learn.
Peace.
Tora Kuo
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. i know to be successful on a diet i am going to have to bite the bullet on this and incorporate drinking water into my regime - but if i am up at 7 bed at 12 so drinking till 9 thats 14 hours or 14 - 8oz glassse of water!?!?! Then it was only salad for lunch - again not one of my good habits which i know eventually i have to change - but if i coud do all the things he wnted me to do - i would not have the weight issue i have now - it's not as easy as you think to just get a dom to "dom" you to loose weight - i felt it as a tremendous pressure on me and it was counter productive. He saw it as something non negotiable if i were to be his submissive - he wasn't very flexible. You can't change a persons patterns overnight with just a command and threat of some kind of chastisemnt, denial, or punishment. i wasn't very happy at all. The relationship ended over some other issue but if it hadn't i am sure we would have had a very rocky road ahead of us with his determination to make me loose weight. And having that was something i always thought was something that i wanted and would be "the thing" to motivate me - boy was i wrong 
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