Focus50
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ORIGINAL: Archer
LOL odd that the you project the OCD fixation onto me and yet you are the one fixated on it enough to mention it throughout this thread. I remembered the general impression I had of you but not the specific thread while you recalled the specific thread. Now that would indicate that it is a projection of your OCD onto me rather than me having any fixation on you.
OCD, I "mention it throughout this thread"? My memory of it comes to a grand total of *once*! So here's your chance for a second victory of amoebic proportion over me; you can go check if you want....
For the record, I recall the specific thread ("References") because A), that's the last time you and I discussed anything and your subsequent attitude and demeanour this time round shows an obvious release of pent up hostility toward me (a grudge) and B), it was around Xmas (when everyone is generally hostile.... lol) and I had you and at least 3 other doms wanting my blood at one time but only a battered Rover lasted to the final bell with me. You don't forget 3 doms slipping out quietly when the heat is put on them.... And surely you remember Elegant trying to salvage some belated pride from where you left off, or is that a common occurrence, akin to her appearance here?
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Now back to the point at hand
I cited specificly that some may not find it to be worth the trade before you said I didn't get that some may not find it worth the trade at any price.
The evidence is plainly visable to anyone who reads the thread.
Post 30 " maybe a term of service is worth that information to you maybe it isn't."
Post 31 "Archer, what you're not entirely grasping is that for many of us, "swallowing pride" or "trade(ing) service for information" is just too high a price for ANY information."
Obviously I grasped the concept you said I did not, the evidence of it is plainly visable, so maybe delussional should be added to your OCD projection list. LOL.
OK, I've let you have your moments of celebration these last few days; time to take a closer look at what you're "airing your armpits out" over - something I've equally enjoyed beholding, btw....
Minus the giant font you added later - here's the source of your apparent "victory".
Archer:
"The more senior or experienced Dominant has information you need or want, maybe a term of service is worth that information to you maybe it isn't."
Bear in mind I quoted your entire post to discuss it in general, of which the above is just one sentence. More specifically, the trigger word or term for *me* (that prompted me to quote) was your notion of "swallowing pride" - unacceptable to me.
But since you made it about that quoted sentence - let's have a look at it instead. I don't presume to speak for you, this is merely how I interpretted your words and meanings, k?
Here it is again, minus the last 3 words....
"<snip>....has information you need or want, maybe a term of service is worth that information to you <snip>".
While it's not worth it to me, I interpret your personal opinion as possibly being worth it to you, and that's the point you're predominantly presenting - true? And fair enough, btw, you're entitled to your opinion....
The three remaining and opposing words, the ones you shouted back at me - "maybe it isn't." - I regard them not as *your* personal belief but as nothing more than a common and "throw-away" form of disclaimer which almost everyone uses in one form or another when posting, so as not to be seen as close-minded or judgemental or whatever it is that motivates us to "cover most bases" to avoid needless offense and arguments etc....
IE, "maybe it isn't." is NOT your personal opinion - in fact it's more like mine, as you've raucously pointed out. Archer, of course I knew that, which is why I wasn't the one taking issue with it, *YOU* were. When I said in post #36 that I missed it and was still missing it etc, I wasn't missing your meaning rather than missing what it was to inspire such monumental gloating and celebration on your part over such a microscopic point of order, hence my comment about taking whatever victory you can find.... Your "outsider Rocky flooring the World Champ" celebration has been highly entertaining to behold, though.
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Now on to other more recent clarifications.
Niether myself nor anyone else said submitting to a hazing behaviour was nessisary (see your post about greasing privates), that isn't submission for tuition, However you mention having been apprentice level in a trade and certainly you're not going to tell me that you didn't do the "scut work" as directed by the foreman. While other more senior tradesmen did other less menial work when you were an apprentice. That is the type of "submission" for tuition I was speaking of, certainly the term of service I did was scutwork in nature the work did however need to be done and taught me how to care for my tools how to set things up to make the work (play) flow better. (applicable to SM practices more directly than D/s but some cross over insight to D/s is there as well)
As for hazing etc, that's something I was discussing with Merc and given your openly hostile attitude toward me, which is bound to affect any positive context of what I say, I'll pass on it with you. I will repeat that a work dynamic is NOT the same as a lifestyle relationship dynamic, IMO, and that I've made my stance clear on that. Same opinion for you MadRabbit, if you're reading this, but maybe I'll get back to you when the day is younger.
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I think the core problem is the defining of "need". Could one gain the skills without going through the term of service? certainly Does the term of service then really constitute a "need" or a "choice". In your view to get a better understanding maybe the word choice would better fit your mindset. I made a choice to apprentice myself to an established Dominant, it wasn't a core of my being need, it was a choice, of which path to learning I was going to take. All choices of which path to take have trade offs.
Some folks will find those trade offs worthwhile while others will not. (Again stated so maybe this time you wont wrongly accuse me of not getting this point).
Now if we use the definition of need established for this specific posting as a core of one's being requirement then maybe the idea of such a "need" is contrary to dominance, But earlier the term was being used in two different contexts and as such two different connotations. The focus was wrongly placed on the concept of submitting to a term of service for whatever reason.
More accurately the focus of the discussion should have been on the concept of what motivates the person to choose one path or the other. Is the choice made because it makes more sense to the person to apprentice themselves to get to their own goal for their own reasons. Or is it a matter of a core of their being need to submit. One is at odds with being a Dominant the other is not.
Maybe it's because it's late here and I am tired but I do understand the individual words of this passage but it's reading like ultra overly-complex gobbledegook to me. But do take a bow there, too, if you wish....
Focus.
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