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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:18:41 PM

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feel free to snark away... you are so very good at it.

Good one I'm the snarky one- LOL
so predictable

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:18:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Im just going from what your profile says and your profile says that is what you are seeking in a slave... in fact your profile doesnt mention haveing a slave untill your journals. I fount that a bit odd.

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I suppose that's a matter of interpretation/misinterpretation then. Language is such a nasty barrier. I look forward to direct synapse communication, perhaps via bluetooth. Hmm, that opens up more fetishy sounding options for down the road *drool*

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:26:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

Im just going from what your profile says and your profile says that is what you are seeking in a slave... in fact your profile doesnt mention haveing a slave untill your journals. I fount that a bit odd.

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Funny what some consider typical. I don't tend to look to see what the other guy is doing before I do what I do, unless I feel there is a safety or effectiveness factor involved. Here it is now:

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I lust after the "Kate" style of slave, as portrayed in "Taming of the Shrew" by William Shakespear, and hope to train her to that end.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:33:43 PM

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I simply read what was written

5)      Don’t protect either of us from my judgment; only ask if I am sure it’s what I want.- I love this one, let us both die if Im makeing a stupid choice and you know its stupid, dont protect us from it just let me kill us both!!!

6)      Believe I’m right whether you believe I am or not, make it so, never second guess me.- asking her to lie about how she feels so that you can come off as ubber Dom haveing someone els telling you you are always right even when you arent..

7)      Like something because I like it- You love peanut butter she is elergic to peanut butter but she will love it because you do and then I guess you will both love the ER visits

8)      Dislike something because I dislike it- You hate apples she loves them she should be denied eating her favorate food becuase you dont like it???

9)      Have confidence in something because I do

10)   Lack confidence in something because I do- So she shouldnt be more confadent then you in anything, so if your scared of snakes she should be to??

11)   Check with me to determine how to feel about something - Id like to know how you can tell her how SHE is feeling!!

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:37:05 PM

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Let's not leave anything out now.

1)      Don’t whine or complain.
2)      If your behavior displeases me, stop immediately and ask how to become pleasing.
3)      When told how to be pleasing, seek a way to do it without protest.
4)      Do not offer explanations, give them only when asked.
5)      Don’t protect either of us from my judgment; only ask if I am sure it’s what I want.
6)      Believe I’m right whether you believe I am or not, make it so, never second guess me.
7)      Like something because I like it
8)      Dislike something because I dislike it
9)      Have confidence in something because I do
10)   Lack confidence in something because I do
11)   Check with me to determine how to feel about something
12)   Agree with everything I say, never disagree with anything I say. Be a “yes man”.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:42:56 PM

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I've read this entire thread, and I've read the OP's profile, and there is a distinct lack of maturity here that prohibits this couple from moving forward as Master and slave. The OP has a fantasized view of dominance that no slave could ever hope to live up to, and fails to realize that in order to lead, one must first be a leader. I don't see an established "leader" here. I'm seeing a "relationship" here that is, at most, six weeks in duration, and it's obvious that this dominant never even bothered to lay the groundwork and set boundaries before leaping in with both feet and setting expectations that this slave clearly is not prepared to meet. If the OP truly expects his slave to believe only what he believes, then perhaps he's got the wrong slave.

Regardless, the OP has a slave who knows her own mind. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The Kaptin and I disagree on quite a few things, and it's all right to disagree. It's NOT all right, however, to be disrespectful. It's not all right to continue to debate an issue after Master has declared a discussion over. It's not all right to "rant." Screaming and yelling are inappropriate, counter-productive, immature forms of communication. Adults don't communicate this way. My best advice to the slave is this: When emotions run high, STOP talking. Take a deep breath, collect your thoughts, consider your words carefully... THEN speak calmly and rationally. And sometimes it's best to just let the subject drop and address it at another time, when both have had a chance to calm down, consider what's already been said, and look at the other's point of view.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:50:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave
I love this one, let us both die if Im makeing a stupid choice and you know its stupid, dont protect us from it just let me kill us both!!!

Damned skippy. I don't need a parent keeping me "safe" at my age. If a slave is going to live with me, she needs to trust my judgement for both our sakes.

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6) Believe I’m right whether you believe I am or not, make it so, never second guess me.- asking her to lie about how she feels so that you can come off as ubber Dom haveing someone els telling you you are always right even when you arent..

That's uber, as in the German word "over", over. I am "over" you with regards to spelling apparently. Oh no, wait I'm not, I just let myself get sucked down to your level. Doh! Tiem to strat misspeeling now too. :(

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7) Like something because I like it- You love peanut butter she is elergic to peanut butter but she will love it because you do and then I guess you will both love the ER visits

What sort of dolt gets scared of what I'll do from across the internet? Only fear of what I represent could cause you to behave in such a condemning and defensive manner I suspect. I have the capacity to spell correctly, in addition, to avoid life threatening situations as well.

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8) Dislike something because I dislike it- You hate apples she loves them she should be denied eating her favorate food becuase you dont like it???

Is that really any more trippy than causing someone pain in an S&M situation? Or is that socially acceptable in this venue so you also support it?

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10) Lack confidence in something because I do- So she shouldnt be more confadent then you in anything, so if your scared of snakes she should be to??

Yeah, snakes might be really scary, who knows? Better ask Master...

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11) Check with me to determine how to feel about something - Id like to know how you can tell her how SHE is feeling!!

Ever hear the phrase "When I want your opinion I'll give it to you"?

Naw seriously, I'm just playing. I've never flamed, or returned a flame before and you presented a gigantic target. You offered nice advice before you got offended and I appreciate that.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:52:01 PM

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It's not as bad as you might think. I for example am helping her study and get certified in MS Office so she can get a better job.

Quick question: For whose benefit are you helping her?

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 8:56:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: angelic

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It's not as bad as you might think. I for example am helping her study and get certified in MS Office so she can get a better job.

Quick question: For whose benefit are you helping her?

Quick trick question you say? We all do things that benefit us in some way or other. I like that I can do her good as well. Check with a shrink, they'll point out that it's ok to be selfish at some level because that's our default. That doesn't make us bad for being that way.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:03:05 PM

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I went to therapy last year and learned a few things about ways the mind can help you avoid fearful things, and it happens in the most subtle ways.

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

You went to therapy last year. It was stated in past tense so presumably you are not going now.

In your mind, this qualifies you to make psychiatric or psychological diagnoses of other people.

Let us know how it works out for you and your, umm, patient.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:07:06 PM

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7) Like something because I like it

Oh, Lord! If the Kaptin tried to establish this rule for me, He'd be SOL! The man likes Happy Tree Friends, for crying out loud!!! There is no way I will *ever* like that crap!

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:11:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

I simply read what was written

5)      Don’t protect either of us from my judgment; only ask if I am sure it’s what I want.- I love this one, let us both die if Im makeing a stupid choice and you know its stupid, dont protect us from it just let me kill us both!!!

6)      Believe I’m right whether you believe I am or not, make it so, never second guess me.- asking her to lie about how she feels so that you can come off as ubber Dom haveing someone els telling you you are always right even when you arent..

7)      Like something because I like it- You love peanut butter she is elergic to peanut butter but she will love it because you do and then I guess you will both love the ER visits

8)      Dislike something because I dislike it- You hate apples she loves them she should be denied eating her favorate food becuase you dont like it???

9)      Have confidence in something because I do

10)   Lack confidence in something because I do- So she shouldnt be more confadent then you in anything, so if your scared of snakes she should be to??

11)   Check with me to determine how to feel about something - Id like to know how you can tell her how SHE is feeling!!

Magik's slave

This just proves the maturity of the relationship and how much they both have to learn. Funny how he becomes defensive on advice he asked for. Some cannot accept criticism in a mature way. Some so do not see they have alot to learn and become defensive when questioned. It is OK to ask for help. Screwing someone up and the relationship is not. Some just have to learn the hard way I guess.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:11:41 PM

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With all due respect I would like to point out that I do not yell and scream when in an argument with my Master that I simply do not back down from what I believe so we tend to exchange words over whatever it is for a long time. The most I do is stop talking, sometimes roll my eyes, look the other way, or ask if we can stop talking about whatever it is. I thank you very much for your comment and look forward to anymore you might have.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:14:17 PM

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sometimes roll my eyes,

I used to teach the kid's classes at a martial arts studio I was in instructor at.

Students who rolled their eyes at me were allowed to do lots of push ups and squats.

Have not had the opportunity to correct my submissive rolling her eyes at me.

Might be difficult for me to choke the words "25 push ups, now" through gales of laughter.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:16:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: slaveofKaos

sometimes roll my eyes,

I used to teach the kid's classes at a martial arts studio I was in instructor at.

Students who rolled their eyes at me were allowed to do lots of push ups and squats.

Have not had the opportunity to correct my submissive rolling her eyes at me.

Might be difficult for me to choke the words "25 push ups, now" through gales of laughter.

Sinergy

I got 25 minutes with my nose to the wall for rolling my eyes once.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:16:39 PM

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oh geez... trick question? C'mon... did i push a button? It was an honest question, that you felt was a trick... are you always this insecure? Could be why there are so many arguments...

just my opinion of course.

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:30:30 PM

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Thank you, Akbarbarian for starting such a stimulating chat.
You have this board on fire.
Don't worry we won't roast you!
Akbarbarian, as far as not being able to let you sleep?
That is what gags are for!

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:34:06 PM

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I got 25 minutes with my nose to the wall for rolling my eyes once.

"My grandmother hung me on a hook once, ONCE!" Joe Piscopo, Johnny Dangerously

Sinergy

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:35:57 PM

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[/quote]

Oh, Lord! If the Kaptin tried to establish this rule for me, He'd be SOL! The man likes Happy Tree Friends, for crying out loud!!! There is no way I will *ever* like that crap!
[/quote]

What are Happy Tree Friends??? Should I be afraid?
and what ever happened to FukinTroll??

(trolls, friends in trees..just occurred to me i guess;)

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RE: Should a slave be opinionated? - 6/15/2007 9:37:14 PM

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Quick trick question you say? We all do things that benefit us in some way or other. I like that I can do her good as well. Check with a shrink, they'll point out that it's ok to be selfish at some level because that's our default. That doesn't make us bad for being that way.

It does not make us "bad", but it does make us selfish... some selfishness is ok, a lot is a sign of immaturity IMO

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