Aswad
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no matter how i try to open my mind, i can not comprehend allowing someone to break my bones as consentual.
Perhaps you should carry an Advance Health Directive instructing EMT personell never to break your bones in the course of treating you, on penalty of having their kneecaps shot out. There are several reasons for doing such a thing that are legitimate. Now you are one step closer to seeing shades of grey here, I hope.
In any case, we share some difficulty, then.
I, for instance, cannot comprehend shooting someone's kneecaps for anything but as one of the last resorts in absolutely necessary torture/interrogation, or if there was a gun to my own head, held by someone requiring me to do it. I know how that works, and I wouldn't even consider doing it to anyone of my own volition.
Neither do I comprehend the notion of becoming a slave and then "changing your mind".
(To clarify, this in the context of "no limits" or otherwise fairly literal slavery.)
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this site has opened my eyes to other things......maybe that will click some day too......
I would not be surprised.
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but i also dont understand an M having to keep pushing things farther and farther til there is suffering......not to satisfy any desire he has except to see the suffering.......
Then you are not a sadist. 
Note that I'm not saying all M's are sadists, or vice versa, but many are both.
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i hope this doesnt come off as holier than thou, because i really want to understand it......altho i dont know why.
Understanding is always a good thing, I think.
It did come off somewhat incredulous and judgmental.
But I would not describe it as "holier than thou", however.
This all breaks down to the idea of consent establishing a framework for a relationship.
When you tell your M that "it is okay for you to do X to me", then X is OK.
Should you tell him that "you can do X to me, but not Y", then X is OK, and Y is not.
If you tell him "you can do any kind of X to me", then anything falling under X is OK.
Various people say "you can do anything to me", which makes anything OK.
That's the theory. In practice, people misunderstand, because they assume things.
When you tell someone "you can do anything to me", you may assume that it is understood that this does not include certain actions. But what you have said, plainly, is that it does include those actions. Therefore, one has the concept of informed consent, which is to say that the party giving permission for something knows and understands the scope of what they are saying, what this implies, and what the consequences may be. Doctors require this for certain medical procedures, for instance. Some, like me, require it to take on a slave.
A simple, and usually sufficient, way of testing whether someone understands what they have said, is to ask questions. In some cases, people prefer to use tests of some sort, to get a more direct and/or correct response. The classic example being when the M pulls a set of garden shears from a bag. Almost any sane person will then suddenly realize that they do have limits, and at that point, they will understand that it is a good idea to put those in writing. Note that this does not imply the garden shears would be used in the test, they are just there to cause the person to think. Realizing something so suddenly (assuming one is surprised) can be more powerful than being told to consider it.
Then there are some who will sit still, quivering, perhaps crying and/or closing their eyes, and wait for you to use the garden shears. Not that I'm saying you should, mind you. Either way, in those cases, unless the person is suffering from a mental disorder that voids their capacity for consent, they can generally be considered to have given informed consent to "no limits", as it is clear they understand what things they have given permission to do, regardless of whether those things will actually be done.
However, frequently, people don't bother to make sure they have informed consent.
That is the only potential problem I see with scenario of this sort.
Because then the parties may have different ideas of what things may happen within the bounds of the relationship.
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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