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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 8:15:39 AM

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It could. The point is it doesn't have too. Slavery doesn't have to involve any suffering to be slavery. It doesn't have to involve any sacrifice to be slavery. Your lot in life can be a nice easy one and you can still be owned. Some men don't want things that cause hardship, it is really that simple. They want obedience to the things they want done, for the girl who wants some struggle and sacrifice she might be kind of bummed if all he wants happens to be stuff she finds easy but that is just too bad...does she walk away because her slavery isn't being given to her on her terms?..he is the owner, he can have it his way. If his way involved endless suffering great for him too...but it doesn't define slavery..ownership does.

My post did not address ownership, nor did I attempt to define it through suffering. I was trying to convey my understanding of what Mad Rabbit was saying - that he tends to appreciate submission in a girl when she is willing to stretch herself to give it, and endure some unpleasantries she may otherwise not wish to.

Ownership simply means the Master owns the girl. He may choose to coddle and pamper her and treat her like a princess, he may choose to work the hell out of her, making her life miserable, or anything in between. I did not attempt to define slavery or ownership in my post.

Now, I am a better person and slave because of what I endure for him. When he leaves this fine earth (and he likely will much sooner than I), I will be perfectly equipped to carry on in his absense, as though he were still here instructing me. Those things I used to not be able to do, think, or figure out for myself, are becoming second nature to me now, because he pushes that in me, rather than making life easy for me and protecting me from such hardship. I will miss the hell out of him, and a piece of me may likely die with him, but I will keep living as I do now, knowing how to handle any crisis that comes my way, because of the difficult things he has taught me. I am grateful to him for it, and would want it no other way. And he wants to know that when he dies, I will be able to step up and continue living as he wants me to. He's likely not going to get that by never challenging me.

But I agree with you - I am his slave whether he has taught me this way or not.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 8:39:01 AM

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there are some that will loan out their slaves to others,but i dont i will however let others we know and trust co-Top her or use her for Demo's.as for the sex part it is me or another female slave/sub unless a close Domme/Mistress wishes to and asks me first if i feel she can learn from the experience i will allow it but i will inform her of it and ask if she is confortable with it. because we use only people we know personally the asking her is only a formality to let her know i'm thinking of her at the time of my decision

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 9:37:21 AM

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Owned, that is the point that i was trying to address or rather to agree with Chewsie on that point, that what makes slavery slavery is being owned, that suffering is not a requirement of slavery, will it occur as a part of living whether one is a slave or not. Yes, i am not a slave, that is not how i identify myself, but i have faced suffering. Has suffering taught me a great deal, yes. Are some of the longest lasting lessons learned through suffering, indubitably. And while all of those are true, none of those things make suffering a necessary part of slavery. That was the only point that i was trying to debate.

*Edited to add this additional thought, while being the slave of a particular owner may have as its requirement to suffer, it doesn't make it a universal necessity. Also wanted to add, yes prop, i agree that any relationship with two people in it is going to at times have times when the s-type does what he or she committed to do and bends to the will of another. Can that bending of the will cause emotional or mental suffering, yes it can. Does it have to, not always, but i see your point. It may also be a matter of semantics, to me i suffered while being sexually abused and physically abused during my childhood, i suffered emotionally and mentally while going through my divorce, for me to use the term suffering, it has to be a big thing to me. So part of our discussion may be in a difference of semantics.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 9:44:35 AM

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BeingChewsie, you are correct in that ownership is not defined by suffering, we established that a few pages ago i thought. a slave need not suffer in order to be a slave. a slave need only be the owned property of another in order to be a slave.

now as for the issue of growth, i think ownedgirlie expressed beautifully how one grows most through bearing and overcoming hardship and adversity. this may not be the only way one achieves growth, i see that now, thank you BeingChewsie and heartfeltsub...however i would still say that getting through those truly tough times is what causes the most significant growth, and for one living in slavery this is especially true.

i also wanted to highlight this comment from Gattina: "Whether or not the Dom/nes wish to cause suffering (and I can understand the argument that its proof and testament to the submission) I would have though it would just happen naturally out of no 2 people being 100% compatible and 1 person getting to choose how the relationship goes." this very much rings true for me. even if it is not a Master's conscious goal to cause suffering for his slave, it is one of those inevitabilities of life when two people are not precisely the same as far as desires, needs, etc., and one person has all the power. again if it is simply not possible for a particular slave to find hardship or suffering in anything her Master may possibly demand of her, then to me that would be an emotionally dead person. if the hard times simply have not come yet, that is another thing altogether. if one's previous life was so horrible that their owned lives are a cakewalk in comparison....and on this i can relate up to a point, as my life was hell before i met my Master, and there is no doubt that i would have been long dead by now had he not come into my life and claimed me as his....you are still capable of suffering, again it just has not happened yet. and perhaps the Master never wishes the slave to suffer or to overcome great adversity, that is fine too. it would simply not be a M/s dynamic i could understand or respect (which i'm sure would be a big whoopty-doo to those involved, lol).

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 10:19:27 AM

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I think part of the problem is that "suffering" is a subjective term. What I consider suffering, you may enjoy. Of course, life throws us adversity and we either are up to the challenge or we are not. As owned said, we can grow from challenges; however, I know many that do not grow from challenges. Each and every challenge takes a piece of that person away. Hey! We're all different and we all see things differently.

I usually agree 100% with julietsierra, but this time I have to take a wee bit o' exception. I understand that you like some hell in your life...that's wonderful. But some of us have hell outside of our relationships and seek a shelter within (not saying I do, just that some do). That does not mean (or even hint) that we would walk if things got rough. Nor does it mean that within the relationship life is a bed of roses. Nor one way is right or wrong. I don't wait for life to toss things my way...I go after what I want/need. I just don't necessarily take the highway to Hell to do it.

Peace out

And I didn't argue that point whatsoever. My very FIRST line was "you say tomato, I say tomata, you say potato, I say potata"..

Translated: You do your thing for your reasons, I do mine for mine.
But by no means is what you do "hogwash" and neither is it that way for me. THAT was what I took issue with - none of this other "stuff.

All this other THAT (the "stuff") is just people trying to convince everyone else that their way is better. Personally, I could care less if beingchewsie sits at home validating her slavery through bon bons or daddysprop validates her slavery through nail pulling. In the end, if that's what works for them, it doesn't mean that either way is going to work for me. Nor does it mean that because it works for them that it's somehow wrong and not an indication of slavery.

Personally, while daddysprop's way is definitely not my way, I don't really understand the drive to discredit her or her relationship. I'm pretty darn sure they're not going to change things just because beingchewsie doesn't approve. I also don't really understand the move to devalue madrabbit's views either. Just because he works that way and someone else doesn't doesn't make madrabbit wrong and it doesn't make the other folks wrong either.

Oh...and just for the record, my Master has never ever loaned me out for D/s oriented activities. What we do do, we do together, although he does make the determination as to what those things are.

As for whomever asked what the difference was between being shared and being lent out...I'd guess that it's the difference between the dominant being in attendance and even participating than going to do something alone with someone else.

Think of it as the difference between a three-some and being sent to someone's hotel room/home alone.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 10:42:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I was trying to convey my understanding of what Mad Rabbit was saying - that he tends to appreciate submission in a girl when she is willing to stretch herself to give it, and endure some unpleasantries she may otherwise not wish to.

Thank you again. This is right on point.

This discussion only covered one small part of the relationship and this individual outlook on these things doesnt necessarily translate that I am going out of my way to make sure her life is miserable or unhappy so it is in fact "true submission".

As I expressed in private messages, the ultimate goal in the relationship is happiness, lightness, fun, and fulfillment for both partners.

This, however, doesnt mean that my entire relationship is easy, no more than all life is easy. And it certainly doesnt mean that on the occasion, I dont find enjoyment in presenting a challenging task for my pleasure that pushes her to meet her contigency of "Complete obedience".

The fact that I find value and beauty in the fact that someone is willing endure unpleasantries for me doesnt mean that my entire relationship consists of unpleasantries for her to endure.

However, without any unpleasantries or difficulty, there is no validation that she will endure those things for obedience.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 11:10:56 AM

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As for whomever asked what the difference was between being shared and being lent out...I'd guess that it's the difference between the dominant being in attendance and even participating than going to do something alone with someone else.

Think of it as the difference between a three-some and being sent to someone's hotel room/home alone.

juliet

juliet, thanks for answering that question, i was wondering the same thing myself (what's the difference between being shared and being lent out). i suppose since most often when my Master has me used by other men he is not present, or only present for a short while, we use the terms interchangeably in this household.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 11:32:26 AM

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Another general reply to no one in particular.

It's been my experience that you never know how strong anything or anyone is, including yourself, until you, it, or they are stretched and taxed to hold up under pressure. It's also been my experience that you never know how you or anyone else will react, in any given situation, until you or they are actually in that situation. There is really no way to test every possible reaction to every possible event, both negative and positive, that can happen unexpectedly in this life. Hey, even winning the lottery can be very stressful on people and that's supposed to be a good thing.

Believing in yourself, believing in the person(s) you share your life with, and having faith that, if and when the unexpected happens, you will be strong in your convictions and remain steadfast and true to yourself and to each other is, to me, the best we can do in being prepared for whatever might happen.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:00:03 PM

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Whar the are you talking about? I NEVER said that anything an owner has a girl do is hogwah, you need to learn to read better. I never attempted to discredit props dynamic, hell its isn't much different than my own, in terms of absoluteness of it. I don't agree or not agree with props dynamic, I don't care how an owner treats his property, it is property.

The issue was where prop said it was neceesary for someone to face trials and hardships to be a slave, not for HER to be a slave but for anyone. You may believe that, but it isn't based in fact. There are many people who live absolutely under an owner's authoity that don't find the things he asks of them cause suffering. They might be the very same things your owner does to you to cause you to feel like you are in hell for that period, but for her that isn't how she feels. Both are still owned, still slaves, that was the point.

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And I didn't argue that point whatsoever. My very FIRST line was "you say tomato, I say tomata, you say potato, I say potata"..

Translated: You do your thing for your reasons, I do mine for mine.
But by no means is what you do "hogwash" and neither is it that way for me. THAT was what I took issue with - none of this other "stuff.

All this other THAT (the "stuff") is just people trying to convince everyone else that their way is better. Personally, I could care less if beingchewsie sits at home validating her slavery through bon bons or daddysprop validates her slavery through nail pulling. In the end, if that's what works for them, it doesn't mean that either way is going to work for me. Nor does it mean that because it works for them that it's somehow wrong and not an indication of slavery.

Personally, while daddysprop's way is definitely not my way, I don't really understand the drive to discredit her or her relationship. I'm pretty darn sure they're not going to change things just because beingchewsie doesn't approve. I also don't really understand the move to devalue madrabbit's views either. Just because he works that way and someone else doesn't doesn't make madrabbit wrong and it doesn't make the other folks wrong either.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:06:54 PM

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you are still capable of suffering, again it just has not happened yet. and perhaps the Master never wishes the slave to suffer or to overcome great adversity, that is fine too. it would simply not be a M/s dynamic i could understand or respect (which i'm sure would be a big whoopty-doo to those involved, lol).

You lost me again. the master wishes the slaves to do the things he wants her to do, if those things cause her to suffer oh well, if not oh well too. I don't know maybe your owner sits down and thinks what can I do to challenge prop today..R doesn't he thnks what do *I* need done today or what do *I* feel like doing today or to her today..He just never looks at things in terms of what would please chewsie today, what would make -her- grow. It is all about what he wants and needs. If I grow from it, good for me, if not, too bad, so sad, oh well. Copernicus called the his world really doesn't revolve around me.

I don't much care if you don't respect it prop, I don't have any respect for slaves who are actually calling the shots and dictating how the owner must keep them so they can feel more like a slave either. So we are even.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:24:36 PM

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Whar the are you talking about? I NEVER said that anything an owner has a girl do is hogwah, you need to learn to read better. I never attempted to discredit props dynamic, hell its isn't much different than my own, in terms of absoluteness of it. I don't agree or not agree with props dynamic, I don't care how an owner treats his property, it is property.

The issue was where prop said it was neceesary for someone to face trials and hardships to be a slave, not for HER to be a slave but for anyone. You may believe that, but it isn't based in fact. There are many people who live absolutely under an owner's authoity that don't find the things he asks of them cause suffering. They might be the very same things your owner does to you to cause you to feel like you are in hell for that period, but for her that isn't how she feels. Both are still owned, still slaves, that was the point.

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And I didn't argue that point whatsoever. My very FIRST line was "you say tomato, I say tomata, you say potato, I say potata"..

Translated: You do your thing for your reasons, I do mine for mine.
But by no means is what you do "hogwash" and neither is it that way for me. THAT was what I took issue with - none of this other "stuff.

All this other THAT (the "stuff") is just people trying to convince everyone else that their way is better. Personally, I could care less if beingchewsie sits at home validating her slavery through bon bons or daddysprop validates her slavery through nail pulling. In the end, if that's what works for them, it doesn't mean that either way is going to work for me. Nor does it mean that because it works for them that it's somehow wrong and not an indication of slavery.

Personally, while daddysprop's way is definitely not my way, I don't really understand the drive to discredit her or her relationship. I'm pretty darn sure they're not going to change things just because beingchewsie doesn't approve. I also don't really understand the move to devalue madrabbit's views either. Just because he works that way and someone else doesn't doesn't make madrabbit wrong and it doesn't make the other folks wrong either.

AMAZINGLY!! It's NOT all about you. I was answering bandit. And even MORE AMAZINGLY, I was saying exactly what you've just said..

Now, just what ARE you arguing about?

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:25:23 PM

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you are still capable of suffering, again it just has not happened yet. and perhaps the Master never wishes the slave to suffer or to overcome great adversity, that is fine too. it would simply not be a M/s dynamic i could understand or respect (which i'm sure would be a big whoopty-doo to those involved, lol).

You lost me again. the master wishes the slaves to do the things he wants her to do, if those things cause her to suffer oh well, if not oh well too. I don't know maybe your owner sits down and thinks what can I do to challenge prop today..R doesn't he thnks what do *I* need done today or what do *I* feel like doing today or to her today..He just never looks at things in terms of what would please chewsie today, what would make -her- grow. It is all about what he wants and needs. If I grow from it, good for me, if not, too bad, so sad, oh well. Copernicus called the his world really doesn't revolve around me.

I don't much care if you don't respect it prop, I don't have any respect for slaves who are actually calling the shots and dictating how the owner must keep them so they can feel more like a slave either. So we are even.

whoa. BeingChewsie, i think you and i suffering gross miscommunication in this thread, which is rare for us. we agree in more areas than you think, for whatever reason my explainations and points are not coming across adequately. how you surmised that i call the shots in my relationship, i'm not sure. i have stated repeatedly that my Master always does what he wills, simple as that. this relationship does not revolve around me or my desires or needs. my Master does not make me suffer because that is what "i" feel a Master should do, or that is how i feel more like a true slave. He makes me suffer either because it pleases him to do so, or because in a particular moment he wants what he wants, and whether it will make me suffer or not is irrelevant. if suffering were never a part of my life as his slave, then yes he would be disturbed, displeased, and feel that he had gone wrong somewhere, and likewise i would feel disturbed, confused, and feel that something was amiss, because for us and the way we believe in slavery, some degree of suffering is necessary for ultimate growth as well as an enforcement of the ownership. again, that applies to us and our ways and beliefs. i am sure there are plenty of M/s couples out there who would feel that we are doing it wrong because i am not happy all the time, or because i am shared, or whatever. that's fine, they don't have to live my life and i don't have to live theirs.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:29:52 PM

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I was the person who used the term hogwash, not in the way you said it was used, so your reply was to her, the inference was about something you claimed I said that I didn't...and you tomato/tomata reply was said to me..you even quoted me.

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Whar the are you talking about? I NEVER said that anything an owner has a girl do is hogwah, you need to learn to read better. I never attempted to discredit props dynamic, hell its isn't much different than my own, in terms of absoluteness of it. I don't agree or not agree with props dynamic, I don't care how an owner treats his property, it is property.

The issue was where prop said it was neceesary for someone to face trials and hardships to be a slave, not for HER to be a slave but for anyone. You may believe that, but it isn't based in fact. There are many people who live absolutely under an owner's authoity that don't find the things he asks of them cause suffering. They might be the very same things your owner does to you to cause you to feel like you are in hell for that period, but for her that isn't how she feels. Both are still owned, still slaves, that was the point.

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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

And I didn't argue that point whatsoever. My very FIRST line was "you say tomato, I say tomata, you say potato, I say potata"..

Translated: You do your thing for your reasons, I do mine for mine.
But by no means is what you do "hogwash" and neither is it that way for me. THAT was what I took issue with - none of this other "stuff.

All this other THAT (the "stuff") is just people trying to convince everyone else that their way is better. Personally, I could care less if beingchewsie sits at home validating her slavery through bon bons or daddysprop validates her slavery through nail pulling. In the end, if that's what works for them, it doesn't mean that either way is going to work for me. Nor does it mean that because it works for them that it's somehow wrong and not an indication of slavery.

Personally, while daddysprop's way is definitely not my way, I don't really understand the drive to discredit her or her relationship. I'm pretty darn sure they're not going to change things just because beingchewsie doesn't approve. I also don't really understand the move to devalue madrabbit's views either. Just because he works that way and someone else doesn't doesn't make madrabbit wrong and it doesn't make the other folks wrong either.

AMAZINGLY!! It's NOT all about you. I was answering bandit. And even MORE AMAZINGLY, I was saying exactly what you've just said..

Now, just what ARE you arguing about?

juliet

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:30:30 PM

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I don't much care if you don't respect it prop, I don't have any respect for slaves who are actually calling the shots and dictating how the owner must keep them so they can feel more like a slave either. So we are even.

Now THIS is just laughable. Let me get this straight. prop's owner wants her challenged, puts her in situations where she goes through things most of us dread, does it because he chooses to do things, she does them because he says so, and along the way notices how much she grows and now SHE'S calling the shots?

Or is it that she DARES to presume to post HER thoughts on how her Master's actions affect her and that constitutes her calling the shots?

Like I said...this is laughable.

What I'm curious about is why you're so all-fired worked up by this beingchewsie.

juliet

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:34:33 PM

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lol...must be very important to get the last word in huh?

Your "hogwash" statement cued an interest in me replying. One of the drawbacks of posting in these forums is that people are going to read your posts the way they please. If that's not how you meant them, I'd suggest being a bit clearer. bandit made a reference to my post and commented on why she didn't agree with what I said. I answered that. However you choose to take ownership of something directed to someone else would be your issue.

Infer away.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:37:26 PM

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you are still capable of suffering, again it just has not happened yet. and perhaps the Master never wishes the slave to suffer or to overcome great adversity, that is fine too. it would simply not be a M/s dynamic i could understand or respect (which i'm sure would be a big whoopty-doo to those involved, lol).

You lost me again. the master wishes the slaves to do the things he wants her to do, if those things cause her to suffer oh well, if not oh well too. I don't know maybe your owner sits down and thinks what can I do to challenge prop today..R doesn't he thnks what do *I* need done today or what do *I* feel like doing today or to her today..He just never looks at things in terms of what would please chewsie today, what would make -her- grow. It is all about what he wants and needs. If I grow from it, good for me, if not, too bad, so sad, oh well. Copernicus called the his world really doesn't revolve around me.

I don't much care if you don't respect it prop, I don't have any respect for slaves who are actually calling the shots and dictating how the owner must keep them so they can feel more like a slave either. So we are even.

whoa. BeingChewsie, i think you and i suffering gross miscommunication in this thread, which is rare for us. we agree in more areas than you think, for whatever reason my explainations and points are not coming across adequately. how you surmised that i call the shots in my relationship, i'm not sure. i have stated repeatedly that my Master always does what he wills, simple as that. this relationship does not revolve around me or my desires or needs. my Master does not make me suffer because that is what "i" feel a Master should do, or that is how i feel more like a true slave. He makes me suffer either because it pleases him to do so, or because in a particular moment he wants what he wants, and whether it will make me suffer or not is irrelevant. if suffering were never a part of my life as his slave, then yes he would be disturbed, displeased, and feel that he had gone wrong somewhere, and likewise i would feel disturbed, confused, and feel that something was amiss, because for us and the way we believe in slavery, some degree of suffering is necessary for ultimate growth as well as an enforcement of the ownership. again, that applies to us and our ways and beliefs. i am sure there are plenty of M/s couples out there who would feel that we are doing it wrong because i am not happy all the time, or because i am shared, or whatever. that's fine, they don't have to live my life and i don't have to live theirs.

I'm not sure either prop, we are kept in a very similiar fashion by men who view property as exactly that. I think maybe I understand, R doesn't feel disturbed by it, he doesn't care, he just wants his will obeyed. He won't alter his path or his desires if I feel dipleased or disturbed by my lack of suffering, his aswer is get over it. Suffering is part of my life( shit happens), just nothing he demands of me causing me genuine suffering or hardship, he'd have to get into things that harmed my kiddo and or sent me away to jail away from him and my kiddo for to feel like I was being made to suffer, being loaned out, beaten, choked, worked to exhaustion, left home alone while he traveled with the women for many years, never being able to make an independent decisions and and on and on ..those things sometimes were not so great or would be not so great, but they were not nor would they be sufferng or a hardship compared to the hardships I have faced.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:50:58 PM

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BeingChewsie...i think i understand where you are coming from as well. for you, in order for something your Master subjects you to to cross the line into suffering and hardship, they would have to fall in very specific areas, areas in which he has no particular interest. at the same time, he doesn't seem to have any particular need for you to suffer at his hands...so the fact that you do not suffer, does not bother him. this makes sense to me, that is just the flavor of your individual dynamic.

my Master is different, in that he needs any slave of his to suffer, this is a crucial part of the M/s bond for him. i can give you an example...His former slave was an emotional and physical masochist, in the sexual sense. the more he hurt her...whether it was beating her or abusing her emotionally...the more pleasure she experienced. in order for him to cause her to truly suffer, he had to do things he did not truly want to do (break her bones, restrict her contact with her kids). because this was unacceptable to him (going against his own will), he came to the realization that she was simply not the right slave for him. because he needs a slave to suffer, but he is not going to go against his own will in order to make that happen.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 12:52:11 PM

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Juliet,

You don't have it right. It has nothing to do with him wanting to have her challenged or to suffer. It has to do with an owner who doesn't care if the girl is challenged or not, he just wants to be absolutely obeyed on what he wants. If that causes suffering so be it, if not so be it, if the girl happens to be the type like prop who -wants- suffering and to be challenged and she finds herself owned by man who doesn't care and if the things he asks are not hard for her that is kind of too bad, she'd just have to deal with it. I'd have no respect for her if she tried to demand he treat he differently so she can ft more into her own picture of what a slave is. Which isn't a shocker to prop, she wouldn't respect a slave that did that either.

My owner has put me through things most of you dread, my life has looked eerily similiar to props, I have always supported her dynamic and continue too. I don't support her a, b, c and d must happen not just for me but for everyone or it isn't slavery position though. She and I just process the same experiences differently. It isn't suffering or a trial or a hardship for me, the fact that it isn't doesn't it make it not slavery.

My issue has been the idea that one must suffer to be a slave. She might need too, but it isn't a universal experience or requirement.

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I don't much care if you don't respect it prop, I don't have any respect for slaves who are actually calling the shots and dictating how the owner must keep them so they can feel more like a slave either. So we are even.

Now THIS is just laughable. Let me get this straight. prop's owner wants her challenged, puts her in situations where she goes through things most of us dread, does it because he chooses to do things, she does them because he says so, and along the way notices how much she grows and now SHE'S calling the shots?

Or is it that she DARES to presume to post HER thoughts on how her Master's actions affect her and that constitutes her calling the shots?

Like I said...this is laughable.

What I'm curious about is why you're so all-fired worked up by this beingchewsie.

juliet

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 1:02:18 PM

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BeingChewsie...i think i understand where you are coming from as well. for you, in order for something your Master subjects you to to cross the line into suffering and hardship, they would have to fall in very specific areas, areas in which he has no particular interest. at the same time, he doesn't seem to have any particular need for you to suffer at his hands...so the fact that you do not suffer, does not bother him. this makes sense to me, that is just the flavor of your individual dynamic.

my Master is different, in that he needs any slave of his to suffer, this is a crucial part of the M/s bond for him. i can give you an example...His former slave was an emotional and physical masochist, in the sexual sense. the more he hurt her...whether it was beating her or abusing her emotionally...the more pleasure she experienced. in order for him to cause her to truly suffer, he had to do things he did not truly want to do (break her bones, restrict her contact with her kids). because this was unacceptable to him (going against his own will), he came to the realization that she was simply not the right slave for him. because he needs a slave to suffer, but he is not going to go against his own will in order to make that happen.

Yes, and that is the exact same conclusion R would reach if he felt that way. He wouldn't hurt my kiddo or demand I commit an act that would put me in jail because those are not things he needs done, I'd comply go to jail and yes no question I'd suffer, but then he has lost use of me too, I'm too multi-purpose to him to focus that narrowly. R needs property to do many things, feel pain is one of them obviously but he knows that it doesn't register as genuine sufferig to me, suffering is him hurting the kid, or me and the kid being homeless with no food or me being put in jail and never allowed to see the kid or the kid developing a teminal illness.

I'm glad we are geting back on the same page. It was way too odd for you and I to not be in solid agreement with one another.

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RE: Master why do you want to share me? - 7/20/2007 1:03:36 PM

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So we agree...lovely.

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