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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:00:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

With all due respect Mod 11, there is no "child" involved in this discussion.

No, just a smattering of adults acting like children. 

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Besides - I thought that "children" was a prohibitive term on CM?

As I've explained on more than one occasion, this is not the case, but I do thank you for your concern.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:04:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin
To no one in particular:

I can see this thread is not long for this world.

For the record, they were able to control their obsessive behavior for no more than 36 hours since they last got blasted by Mod 11.

To Mod 11: who will pay for their misbehaviour? Will it be the OP, or those whose misbehaviour led to the locking of this thread?

"Criticism - Please keep criticism to a minimum. While disagreement is okay inflammatory comments aka flaming, humiliating and belittling other users is not acceptable."

So mote it be.


To YOU Robert, I have no need to hide or pretend...

Hopefully you are still peeking and can help me out with something.

I've never considered having my own words, my life, or my perspective reflected back at me, as being "inflammatory, flaming, humiliating, and belittling". Can you please provide how they are in your case? I'd agree that some "criticism" but I stand to be corrected and would be quick to apologize and state I was wrong if my critique including something quoted wrong. Checking closely the name calling originates from your side of the table.

There are many more people who disagree and think the way I live and the rules I have for beth as flat out wrong. I may try to sway them. I may try to add more information so they can come closer to my perspective. Often I get to the point that I can't put my perspective in words and, in that case, invite them to meet us. Tell you what - the invitation is extended to you. I don't fear challenge, actually its more accurate to say 'we' don't fear challenge - we embrace it. And just in case it isn't clear "we" refers to me and beth, not some fictitious unnamed group.

As close as we are, beth and I have many philosophical differences regarding politics, religion, social issues. Fact is, we have more disagreement than agreement on most of those subjects. I don't inhibit her opinions or perspectives, I treasure them. I treasure her ability to debate, her intelligence, her knowledge and her independent thinking; as much as I treasure her submission to me. Would she, when we met or even when she became my slave, surrendered those opinions I would have been greatly disappointed and considered her a hypocrite.

Holding up a mirror or shedding light on inconsistency isn't against TOS. Only a cockroach runs away from the light - I don't believe you are a cockroach Bob, even in the context of a Kafka story. Why try to run away to hide behind the floorboard  provided by a Mod?

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:14:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		The difference is that you don't come on the boards making all kinds of statements about how you do things and how that is the only and correct way to do and view things.  You lead  your life without any condemnation towards others who chose not to lead the same way.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:22:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Merc,

Had your past behaviour been anything less than obsessive I would have taken you up on this offer.

But clearly since Day 1 you have obsessed over how you believe me to be a fake. You've denied the existence of my wife and child as well as their deaths, and if I dare to mentioned they existed or died, facts of life for me, you have been there several times to deny it with no basis other than your own need to manipulate me.

I'm neither impressed nor in need of proving anything to someone who is obviously obsessed with me.

My posts are on record and I stand by them. Anyone who wishes can read what I wrote, view the threads I participated in, and consider which of us speaks truth here.

I note yesterday there were several threads I participated in where you failed to comment on this belief of yours that I am to be a living example of what not to believe. Perhaps you should review my posting history and catch up. Wouldn't want anyone to slip through, now would you?

Fact is, I get more mail congratulating me on what I am saying whenever you and your friends show up.

You make me look good.

I've said before I don't really care how many people you can turn into you. You are welcome to as many yous as you can get.

You simply will not convince the two I seek. And there really isn't anything you and your friends can do to change that.

Now I've wasted enough time on you. By all means, go back to your obsession. It only makes it easier for me to find the two I seek, because the rest, I suppose, you expect to stampede into your arms.

Good luck with that.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:25:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with Merc and Rabbit on this one - Bob you are really showing yourself in poor light...

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:27:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: amaidiamond

I'm with Merc and Rabbit on this one - Bob you are really showing yourself in poor light...

dia


Ditto

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:36:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Fact is, I get more mail congratulating me on what I am saying whenever you and your friends show up.

Priceless.  The old "everyone supports me in email" gambit.  It didn't take long to trot that old usenet nag out of the barn.

Quit while you're behind, Bob.  And pray that the "two you seek" havent yet joined this site and missed your recent displays.  Otherwise, get used to being alone.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:37:57 AM   
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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 10:43:36 AM   
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I note yesterday there were several threads I participated in where you failed to comment on this belief of yours that I am to be a living example of what not to believe. Perhaps you should review my posting history and catch up. Wouldn't want anyone to slip through, now would you?


Come now Bob - even you can see by this quote who is "obsessed" with whom.

I wish you success in your search. I only wish you could experience for one minute what I do 2/47.

I'll add my congratulations to those you've received because without your example there would be no lesson to learn. Once again I hope with the truest sentiment I can give via the internet - that you never stop providing that example.

Meanwhile - if you feel I've done you a disservice by not commenting on something you've posted, don't hesitate to point it out to me on the other side - I'll be happy to do so.

Fact is Bob - every so often I agree with your position. "Even a blind squirrel can stumble over an acorn in a forest."

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:00:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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I note yesterday there were several threads I participated in where you failed to comment on this belief of yours that I am to be a living example of what not to believe. Perhaps you should review my posting history and catch up. Wouldn't want anyone to slip through, now would you?


Come now Bob - even you can see by this quote who is "obsessed" with whom.


2 days ago you got a thread of mine locked.

yesterday silence for the first time in quite a while.

I would indeed have to be blind not to have noticed.

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I wish you success in your search. I only wish you could experience for one minute what I do 2/47.


I'm sure you do.

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I'll add my congratulations to those you've received because without your example there would be no lesson to learn.


Truth.

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Once again I hope with the truest sentiment I can give via the internet - that you never stop providing that example.
...

Fact is Bob - every so often I agree with your position.


More Truth.

Even in your obsession you can speak Truth, Merc.

I am no man's enemy, unless they choose to believe it so.

And I am under no compulsion to play the part they assign me in their beliefs.



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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:03:22 AM   
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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:04:06 AM   
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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:06:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Tits NEVER look ridiculous, get a grip, E.

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Sorry, what WAS I thinking???

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:10:35 AM   
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One person's truth, is another person's lies. If someone wants to call themselves a 'true' anything, more power to them. If that same person wants to flaunt it in public; they had better be prepared to back up their claim or be publically flogged ( so to speak ) And Lord knows, I love to participate in a flogging more than most  

Bobkgin, you seem to wear the loss of your loved ones like some kind of badge that says 'hey look at me I have suffered more than most; therefor, I am better than most"

Get off the high horse and come to the realization that EVERYONE here has suffered loss at some time in their life; yet they don't need to flaunt it for everyone to see. Their QUIET acceptance of this loss is what makes them more believable than your LOUD claims at grief.

Try hearing what others are saying to you for once and stop believing yourself to be a saint simply because you have suffered loss.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:30:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your Probably ALL True Masters or whatever else you want to be,  and I think every one of you found your Acorn in the woods.  Your grains of truth.  Fact is digging thru oppinions online and trying to guess what people are like in Real life is hard, its easy to get defensive.  Especialy about such an Inflamitory subject.  I dont personaly think there is a right or wrong answer for the original querant.  Except maybe the advise to Avoid Assholes who use the excuse of beeing a Dom/Master as an excuse to disregard peoples emotional and physical safety, and blow thru that whole Consent thing.  I wish everyone luck what started out as a fun and ocasionaly insightful forum seems to have desolved into chaos.  Maybe I'll lean to stop reading when the forums get sidetracked.
Sighs Best wishes everyone
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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:35:20 AM   
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2 days ago you got a thread of mine locked.
I don't see how that is possible since I am neither an owner or Moderator on this site. I just don't have the power Bob - and wouldn't have locked out any thread that consisted of posts offering differing perspectives and opinions if I did. Even though I have no idea what thread you are talking about, based upon my experience, I'm confident that the Moderators did the right thing. Even if they didn't - It's their "bat" and their "ball" and they also own the playing field. I'm a devout 'Pragmatist' philosophically and religiously.
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yesterday silence for the first time in quite a while.
I posted yesterday - sorry if you felt slighted and offended that it wasn't any topic you deemed my perspective required. As I said - in the future, just let me know.

Returning to the OP...
I had another thought on the subject.

Finding a 'true Master' is an exercise in "reverse engineering". The reality is, you really aren't searching for a 'true Master' you are seeking YOUR 'true Master'. To do so you have to build a model, take it apart to identify the pieces, and then go out and try to observe people displaying a few or some of those pieces. It works the same for finding your own 'true sub', 'true slave', 'true switch'. You have to know what you seek in detail then don't compromise until you find it.

It may not be likely you'll find all the traits and parts laying on the sand. A part may be 'exposed' but some digging is involved. The 'digging' is time. Even the best 'actor' can't act forever. Eventually all the parts, even the ones you wish you didn't see, are disclosed. You really have to let time pass and observe.

Get your "ideal" in your mind and in your 'gut' - and trust both. Write down your 'ideal' image and refer to it regularly. Don't discount anything observed and pay attention to the reaction to "bad times" as well as good.

Your demands or requirements are as valid as anyone coming from the other side of the flogger. There is a "one true way" for you, don't compromise it; just find someone who compliments it.

My apologies to erin for 'tatting' a tit. I happen to enjoy that sort of thing - and I believe it was consensual.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:38:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
My apologies to erin for 'tatting' a tit.


Somehow...when you say it that way.....

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 11:39:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist
Get off the high horse and come to the realization that EVERYONE here has suffered loss at some time in their life; yet they don't need to flaunt it for everyone to see. Their QUIET acceptance of this loss is what makes them more believable than your LOUD claims at grief.

Try hearing what others are saying to you for once and stop believing yourself to be a saint simply because you have suffered loss.


Amen Sistahhhh!!!

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When you make a habit of playing on the tracks, you thereby forfeit the right to bitch when you get hit by a train.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 1:14:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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I note yesterday there were several threads I participated in where you failed to comment on this belief of yours that I am to be a living example of what not to believe. Perhaps you should review my posting history and catch up. Wouldn't want anyone to slip through, now would you?


Come now Bob - even you can see by this quote who is "obsessed" with whom.


2 days ago you got a thread of mine locked.

yesterday silence for the first time in quite a while.

I would indeed have to be blind not to have noticed.



Oh no, your thread was locked. Why don't you just ignore it and let it die?

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 2:09:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		So...you know...I'm curious.

Wont someone who loses control of himself in a BDSM scene and beats his sub in anger be just as suspecticle to losing control and beating his sub in anger outside of the context of a BDSM scene?

And if thats the case, whats the difference between a Master who beats his sub and a vanilla husband who beats his wife?

I really fail to see how finding a partner who doesnt lose control and beat them isnt part of the "decent human beings with values in any relationship" as opposed to being solely part of the special "paradigm of the one True Master" presented here.


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