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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 7:28:35 AM   
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Rabbit, I've been living the bdsm lifestyle longer than you've been living life.
Never have I doubted any statement read on CM with such confidence of being correct. On line fantasy doesn't count.

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Experience is another matter.
Notice - nobody's definition of 'true Master' included the requirement of needing sympathy for an alleged dead wife and son. Maybe now abuse of their memory or using them to advance your search for two slaves will end. Its disgusting to see them used; if they ever existed at all.

No manner of "love" would use the objects of that love as tools to fulfill a personal fantasy. One reference is a benchmark - daily reference is an advertisement ploy. 

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While your mom was changing your diapers, I was binding slaves.
Jealous?

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You may indeed have an insight or two. But your lack of manners is all that I'm noticing.
How would you recognize manners if you read or saw them? Your manners are indicated by dismissing any opposing view? It illustrates how you would stifle any person unfortunate enough to consider a relationship.

True Master? A simple approach would be to take everything represented by Bobkgin and do the opposite.

Observe confidence - Are their beliefs strong enough to stand up to challenge and do they solicit challenge.

Observe integrity - They may talk a good game but do words and actions to in opposite directions.

Of course since I'm an evil bully I'm allegedly blocked and Mr. Bob won't be reading this. Its not written for him, although in the past I've been given a Bobkin "'nuff said' dismissal and re-blocked 6 times. I guess he can't help himself. He's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

I don't want Bob to go away because I believe he provides an excellent example who provides learning material for both Dom and sub. Unfortunately there are dysfunctional and fantasy driven people who buy this line of crap or consider it as some kind of dogma. Some could get caught in this sort of trap with tragic results. Dangerous predators are best at the tactic of generating sympathy to lure those most vulnerable to it. They know their bullshit won't stand up against a strong, confident, intelligent individual who, although submissive, uses those traits and sees them for what they are. So they go for the weak who may be a bit insecure and won't challenge. They know to be with him they can not question. They know not to challenge because, as the blocking technique illustrates, challenge would lead to dismissal. As a result, they subject themselves to abuse if they actually believe the rhetoric. No person should be that masochistic to subject themselves to that level of abuse.

The "messiah complex" has no place in a relationship - BDSM or any flavor.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:03:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

The "messiah complex" has no place in a relationship - BDSM or any flavor.



Careful, Merc.

You're obsession over me is showing again.

Obsessive-compulsive disorder is a clear sign of an individual who not only can't control himself, but someone whose tilted view of reality is not to be trusted.

"The objectives of bullies are Power, Control, Domination, Subjugation. They get a kick out of seeing you react. It doesn't matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to the bully, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. After that, it's a question of wearing you down. The more your try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded."



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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:07:17 AM   
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Children, please.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:24:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

And, unfortanely, I am right, Bob. There is no special level of control, some amazing attributes for a Master, no Wow factor that applies universally for one to make a power exchange work.

There is just two mature adults in a relationship that is just another relationship. The only values that are important are the one's the two individual finds value in. Just because someone has imperfections and not achieved a level of Zen like control doesnt mean they cant make a power exchange work. I know plenty who do who are nothing more than an average Joe.



Rabbit, the "average Joes" are the "fakes, liars and wannabes" I see mentioned in far too many profiles belonging to female sub/slaves.

There are a considerable number of these profiles who complain that the only people they hear from are the fakes, liars and wannabes.

That is your "average Joe", and PE is not working for him.

Which demonstrates my point that BDSM is not for the immature or the faint-hearted.

Now how mature one needs to be to make it work, and keep it working is another matter.

You say a master can get angry with his slave and beat her to the point where she needs to use a safeword, and that this is ok: he's a legitimate master.

I say that is plain wrong. No legitimate master would or should lose control of himself to the point where he needs his slave to bring him back to reality.

Who says an angry master is actually going to respect a safeword? What magic is being invoked that any master out of control with anger is going to respect a safeword?

Now you have said that if my standard were the expectations of all sub/slaves, there wouldn't be enough doms to go around.

My opinion? That is not likely to be true, as the refusal to accept anything less would force some men to grow up and learn to control themselves.

And those who refuse to grow up would not be in a position to harm any sub/slave by losing control of himself and getting angry with her and beating her till a safeword is uttered.

There's a down-side to this?

(O.o)


Bob, your judging now.

Now what did Jesus say about judging?

Would he be proud of his little Messiah?

I'm great you have expectations you feal the need to pompously proclaim as everyone else's standards.

I, however, dont discourage people from trying to find personal fullfillment in their relationships. Nor do I imply they cannot or will not ever be what they want.

Its called growth and learning.

Finnally, I never once said that it was ok for a Master to get angry and beat his slave.

I said the criteria for a "True Master" isnt any different than the normal criteria for a decent human being with values.

If someone is a decent human being with values, then any mistakes they make they will feal guilt and remorse for and strive to improve on.

My opinion is that its about two decent human beings trying to make a relationship they are happy in work regardless of whatever flaws or imperfections they need to work on.

Nor am I going to divide people up into "wannabes" and "legitimate Masters" simply because of those imperfections and discourage them from trying to find fulfillment.

If you want to keep putting words in my mouth, thats fine. Its not helping you out.

I have no idea where you got any of this stuff you claim I said in my post because its completely out in left field.

Enjoy the atmosphere up there on Pluto.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:25:33 AM   
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You're obsession over me is showing again.
SOME-body is peeking again!!!
 
'nuff said and Block/Unblock #7
 
I do have an obsession Robert - to address, at any opportunity, dangerous individuals.

I'm happy to see that you didn't address any of the issues but instead resort to name calling, once again illustrating the points raised are accurate. Lying and not having the integrity to stand behind your position to block again are counter indicative of any Master I've met. You serve a GREAT purpose - please do go on.

I only provide the mirror - the image is yours. 

I'm confident but represent constantly that my views and dogma only serve me and mine. I find it impossible to relate, or give credence to any individual whose dogma is their perspective is 'THE' perspective.

Edited to add: It would be a poor 'mirror' who didn't reflect back this quote under these circumstances: "Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded."

With all due respect Mod 11, there is no "child" involved in this discussion. This is as close to an exchange of opinion as can be achieved in this instance. There is no "insult" or "flame" only opinion and perspective being exchanged.

Besides - I thought that "children" was a prohibitive term on CM?

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:31:13 AM   
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Oh dear...has bob found another thread to babble on and on about how perfect he is?
I agree with Merc...to find a true master read everything bob has spewed and find the opposite.  I'll take someone with faults and emotions any day over his robotic narrow view of a fantasy life.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:35:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

Oh dear...has bob found another thread to babble on and on about how perfect he is?
I agree with Merc...to find a true master read everything bob has spewed and find the opposite.  I'll take someone with faults and emotions any day over his robotic narrow view of a fantasy life.


As we all know, the best way to be humble and graceful is to arrogantly and boisterously claim how humble and graceful we in fact are.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:36:32 AM   
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Don't forget the effective displaying of dead folk. 

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:39:09 AM   
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I got caught up in this discussion on another site,to make it so simple to understand,A true Master is how he seen in his slaves eyes,she/he knows if he/she is the real thing or most do.What constitutes true to many will be a false trail to others..Just be true to your self is all that you can ask.....bounty

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:39:20 AM   
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I once grieved for two or three seconds over Ol' Goldie....Before I flushed that little scaly bitch.  I think it was a she...Due to it's huge vagina.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:39:56 AM   
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Yeah, I'm also glad he didnt reduce himself to being one of those "online bullys" by trying to shove me out of the discussion by attacking my age and taking the stance "This guy has no idea what he is talking about because hes not as old and awesome as me" as opposed to simply dealing with the viewpoints directly.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:41:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

I got caught up in this discussion on another site,to make it so simple to understand,A true Master is how he seen in his slaves eyes,she/he knows if he/she is the real thing or most do.What constitutes true to many will be a false trail to others..Just be true to your self is all that you can ask.....bounty


No, no, no. Its not about individual slaves deciding who they value as a Master regardless of flaws.

Its about Bobgkin deciding what those individual slaves should value as a Master.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:41:58 AM   
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To no one in particular:

I can see this thread is not long for this world.

For the record, they were able to control their obsessive behaviour for no more than 36 hours since they last got blasted by Mod 11.

To Mod 11: who will pay for their misbehaviour? Will it be the OP, or those whose misbehaviour led to the locking of this thread?

"Criticism - Please keep criticism to a minimum. While disagreement is okay inflammatory comments aka flaming, humiliating and belittling other users is not acceptable."

So mote it be.


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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:43:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

I can see this thread is not long for this world.



I'll take this to mean "I am wrong and going to run away now that my bullshit has caught up with me."

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:46:55 AM   
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I just came out of a two week vacation courtesy of MOD 11 she fair but can play very hard..smiles..bounty ...edited to add, this subject will be alive as long as the M/s relationships exist

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:48:10 AM   
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Nice to have you back aboard....Bad boy.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:49:09 AM   
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A very bad boy Ty domi

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:53:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

To no one in particular:

I can see this thread is not long for this world.

For the record, they were able to control their obsessive behaviour for no more than 36 hours since they last got blasted by Mod 11.

To Mod 11: who will pay for their misbehaviour? Will it be the OP, or those whose misbehaviour led to the locking of this thread?

"Criticism - Please keep criticism to a minimum. While disagreement is okay inflammatory comments aka flaming, humiliating and belittling other users is not acceptable."

So mote it be.



What do you think the mods are? Baby-sitters?

If you don't like what someone posts, ignore it.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:55:00 AM   
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True masters wear big boy pants  (as katy would phrase it).

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 9:56:54 AM   
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I see,good ol' bob has all the answers

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