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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 7:40:41 PM

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But when I come to one of these "True Master" threads and listen to a Canadian Hill Billy setting the universal ideal of the perfect Master that everyone needs to look for as opposed to them just looking for that one individual that they value and cherish, it personally annoys the hell out of me.

Do you realize you've just stated that I am "setting the universal ideal" simply because I stated my personal beliefs?

I appreciate you acknowledging I have some influence, even if you were only capable of doing it in a back-handed way.

I might point out that hotheads breed hotheads, and you are doing well at proving me right in this case.

I might point out that your dad could have done a better job of teaching you good manners, which it is obvious you lack.

I might point out how you've gone on and on about the conclusions people can draw from your age/behaviour matrix.

I could point out how you've been sending out all kinds of signals that those of us with more experience with people can read and which you are unable to see.

I could.

What I will do is wish you a safe journey on your way to maturity, and hope the day arrives when you look back at this and blush, just a little.

"Canadian Hill Billy" - lol.

Yes, some of us actually left the city to live in the country where the air is clean, the night sky more magnificent than you can imagine, where gangs and crime and shootings are virtually non-existent, where noise and crowds are measured by the wind and the flocks of birds migrating through, where two trees on a property are replaced by two thousand trees, where real rabbits visit to nibble the wildflowers that grow everywhere, where strangers look each other in the eyes and smile and say hello, where local drivers passing you on country roads smile and wave as you drive by ...

... yes, some of us have the sense to live in a healthy environment and not the concrete jungle.

To each their own.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 7:41:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: lilsweety

took some time for me to figure out why madrabbit seems so irritated. finally checked over the bio. Sweety...at 23...you are still learning who you are... That is not a bad thing and everyone has to go through it, however...giving advice on what IS or IS NOT , is not something you can really do at that age. We all feel like we could though so I expect that you should be getting your dander up about now.

Aww, well thanks mom.

But seeing how you dont know me personally or why I personally dislike King Bob or have any idea about my own self awareness or how much I know about me as a person, I am not taking this opinion too much too heart and find it to be slightly arrogant given you have been on these boards roughly two days.

Your actually the only one I have ever been told that by.

Rabbit, I've been living the bdsm lifestyle longer than you've been living life.

Lucky can call it an age card if she wishes, it really doesn't bother me.

No more than your dislike of me.

Age is about how many times you've gone around the sun.

Experience is another matter.

While your mom was changing your diapers, I was binding slaves.

You may indeed have an insight or two. But your lack of manners is all that I'm noticing.

Apparently there are some things your mom overlooked teaching you, or you overlooked learning.

'nuff said.

Well, as long as we are mutually noticing things we dont like about each other. Lack of humility comes to mind. But, I will consider this a sign that you dont have anything to say in response to my points.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 7:43:50 PM

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But when I come to one of these "True Master" threads and listen to a Canadian Hill Billy setting the universal ideal of the perfect Master that everyone needs to look for as opposed to them just looking for that one individual that they value and cherish, it personally annoys the hell out of me.

Do you realize you've just stated that I am "setting the universal ideal" simply because I stated my personal beliefs?

I appreciate you acknowledging I have some influence, even if you were only capable of doing it in a back-handed way.

I might point out that hotheads breed hotheads, and you are doing well at proving me right in this case.

I might point out that your dad could have done a better job of teaching you good manners, which it is obvious you lack.

I might point out how you've gone on and on about the conclusions people can draw from your age/behaviour matrix.

I could point out how you've been sending out all kinds of signals that those of us with more experience with people can read and which you are unable to see.

I could.

What I will do is wish you a safe journey on your way to maturity, and hope the day arrives when you look back at this and blush, just a little.

"Canadian Hill Billy" - lol.

Yes, some of us actually left the city to live in the country where the air is clean, the night sky more magnificent than you can imagine, where gangs and crime and shootings are virtually non-existent, where noise and crowds are measured by the wind and the flocks of birds migrating through, where two trees on a property are replaced by two thousand trees, where real rabbits visit to nibble the wildflowers that grow everywhere, where strangers look each other in the eyes and smile and say hello, where local drivers passing you on country roads smile and wave as you drive by ...

... yes, some of us have the sense to live in a healthy environment and not the concrete jungle.

To each their own.

Good thing you took the higher road on that one.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 7:56:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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took some time for me to figure out why madrabbit seems so irritated. finally checked over the bio. Sweety...at 23...you are still learning who you are... That is not a bad thing and everyone has to go through it, however...giving advice on what IS or IS NOT , is not something you can really do at that age. We all feel like we could though so I expect that you should be getting your dander up about now.

Aww, well thanks mom.

But seeing how you dont know me personally or why I personally dislike King Bob or have any idea about my own self awareness or how much I know about me as a person, I am not taking this opinion too much too heart and find it to be slightly arrogant given you have been on these boards roughly two days.

Your actually the only one I have ever been told that by.

Rabbit, I've been living the bdsm lifestyle longer than you've been living life.

Lucky can call it an age card if she wishes, it really doesn't bother me.

No more than your dislike of me.

Age is about how many times you've gone around the sun.

Experience is another matter.

While your mom was changing your diapers, I was binding slaves.

You may indeed have an insight or two. But your lack of manners is all that I'm noticing.

Apparently there are some things your mom overlooked teaching you, or you overlooked learning.

'nuff said.

Well, as long as we are mutually noticing things we dont like about each other. Lack of humility comes to mind. But, I will consider this a sign that you dont have anything to say in response to my points.

Rabbit, you haven't been making points from my point of view.

You are stating your opinion. As I am mine.

Why should I argue with you about what you choose to believe? Life has a way of teaching us whether we're right or wrong. I needn't accelerate the process in your case.

And what do you know of humility? Have you experienced the loss of your wife and only child and been utterly helpless to have prevented it?

You don't think that humbles a man beyond -any- other experience?

And what of losing your father and the grandfather who lives with your family in a month when you are ten?

You don't think it a humbling experience despite all the wishes and tears you cry for a -year- every night, to be unable to bring your father and grandfather back from the dead?

Rabbit, I have been humbled beyond the experience of anyone I know.

I have been utterly helpless to save the lives of those I loved the most: four of them.

You do not know humility, Rabbit. You really don't.

And I will be very honest with you.

I pray to any and all gods that might grant this prayer and hope -you- are -never- humbled as I have been.

No one should be forced to endure this.

I was, and I am here to start all over again.

What awaits you 27 years from now, Rabbit? What will be happening in your life when you are 50?

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 8:02:38 PM

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Wow the age card, I haven't had someone tell me I can't know what I'm talking about since I was 24. *sniffle* Such good old memories.

Hey...that reminds me. I am 24 now! My birthday was yesterday and I just forgot to update my profile.

Happy Birthday Charlestonian!

Mine was on the 1st

! Spent it at Burningman and even went to a desert dungeon for birthday spankings....pretty cool!

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 8:07:26 PM

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Hopefully, I wont be telling everyone how awesome I am on the Internet.

But...hey, man...if my opinion doesnt bother you, why are you keeping this up?

Because its not going to change nor I am going to stop disagreeing with you.

For whatever reason, you cannot seem to stop taking your own personal beliefs and injecting them as absolutes that apply universally. You have once again done so in this thread by taking your own personal values and the values you place in a good Master and extended far beyond the scope of your own personal center to an universal scale of the ideals of what good and bad Masters are.

Much like you do with your own personal definitions for slave, implying them as a textbook for all to follow.

All it is shades of the "One True Way".

I'm sorry if you dont realize it, but you have.

Now...I'm glad you have lived life to the fullest, I'm glad you are older than me, and I'm glad that you are so much better than me.

But I have zero respect who comes here under a purely theoritical identity, posturing themselves as a pompous teacher and expert, and adding to misconceptions since they cant seem to include the words "My opinion", "My lifestyle", "My beliefs", "Personally" anywhere in their enlightened advice.

You do make some good points, but the reason why you have gotten page after page of negative response on these forums is you extend them wwwaaaayyyy tttoooo ffffarrrrr.

So...sorry, man...regardless of age, experience, whatever, I dont personally like it and I dont agree with what your are portraying here on the forums.

And speaking out against something that I find negative value in is something I find to be pretty cool so I wont be stopping.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 8:09:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Wow the age card, I haven't had someone tell me I can't know what I'm talking about since I was 24. *sniffle* Such good old memories.

Hey...that reminds me. I am 24 now! My birthday was yesterday and I just forgot to update my profile.

Happy Birthday Charlestonian!

Mine was on the 1st! Spent it at Burningman and even went to a desert dungeon for birthday spankings....pretty cool!

Well, thank you and a Happy Birthday to you as well. Hope to see you at T3WD one day.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 8:13:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Hey...that reminds me. I am 24 now! My birthday was yesterday and I just forgot to update my profile.

Happy Birthday Charlestonian!

Mine was on the 1st! Spent it at Burningman and even went to a desert dungeon for birthday spankings....pretty cool!

Well, thank you and a Happy Birthday to you as well. Hope to see you at T3WD one day.

Thanks! i will keep you posted!

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 8:18:58 PM

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i love it when i start threads that go like this! Someone spank me please, i am sooo norty... he he, oh and a little whipping too....
As for newbies rehashing, well i like to ask my own questions, and i am sure the community recycles personalities with different points of view...its a discussion board yeah? Hasn't humanity been rehashing since the beginning of time? Sorry most of my threads rehash, you dont have to participate, i dont want to read someone elses... i am a sub, i need attention!!! he he

thanks there is some good advice there... i am taking it in...

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 8:54:48 PM

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Hopefully, I wont be telling everyone how awesome I am on the Internet.

Thank you for the compliment, Rabbit, despite the back-handed nature of it.

Not once have I claimed to be awesome or anything of the kind.

I have talked of my experiences and my beliefs.

If you consider that "awesome", so be it.

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But...hey, man...if my opinion doesnt bother you, why are you keeping this up?

Because its not going to change nor I am going to stop disagreeing with you.

So if I say "the sky is azure" you will disagree?

If I say "we need air to breathe" you will disagree?

You don't think you need to exert a little more self-control over your emotions right now?

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For whatever reason, you cannot seem to stop taking your own personal beliefs and injecting them as absolutes that apply universally.

Anyone who takes my opinion to be announcements from God is free to do so, Rabbit.

But that is not my expectation of them.

quote:

You have once again done so in this thread by taking your own personal values and the values you place in a good Master and extended far beyond the scope of your own personal center to an universal scale of the ideals of what good and bad Masters are.

The topic is "How to tell a true Master", Rabbit.

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Much like you do with your own personal definitions for slave, implying them as a textbook for all to follow.

Last time I discussed the topic I acknowledged that others use different definitions than the one I learned when first learning my craft. Doesn't mean I have to adopt their definition anymore than they have to adopt mine.

Anyone wishing to adopt my definition is free to do so.

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All it is shades of the "One True Way".

Rabbit, there are no "shades" to the "One True Way". That's the problem with it. It is "ONE True Way".

I talk about my way. Whether anyone else does it or not doesn't matter. It is my way.

My way took over 25 years to develop this far, and with the two I hope to find my way will develop for more than another 25 years.

My way is true for me.

But you are not me. So why should my way work for you?

The OP asks for opinions, and I provide them. Some people will ignore them, some will learn something from them. Each will decide what they get out of the effort.

There is no "One True Way".

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I'm sorry if you dont realize it, but you have.

And I am sorry you don't realize I haven't.

quote:

Now...I'm glad you have lived life to the fullest, I'm glad you are older than me, and I'm glad that you are so much better than me.

But I have zero respect who comes here under a purely theoritical identity, posturing themselves as a pompous teacher and expert, and adding to misconceptions since they cant seem to include the words "My opinion", "My lifestyle", "My beliefs", "Personally" anywhere in their enlightened advice.

You are free to give your respect where you wish, Rabbit.

I feel no need to perpetually clutter a page with "My opinion", "My lifestyle", "My beliefs". I notice you don't either.

If I am going to respect the fact I am talking with adults, then I am not going to assume they are so stupid as to believe I am trying to speak on behalf of God here.

Each is going to be mature enough to recognize we -all- speak our opinions, unless we happen to provide a verifiable reference when declaring a "fact".

Or are you under the assumption they are so stupid as to need to be reassured I am not God?

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You do make some good points, but the reason why you have gotten page after page of negative response on these forums is you extend them wwwaaaayyyy tttoooo ffffarrrrr.

Or I am speaking to a broad audience which includes a few insecure individuals who need their position validated anytime someone says something that doesn't sound the same without the magic words "My opinion", "My lifestyle", "My beliefs".

BDSM is not for the immature or the faint-hearted, Rabbit.

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So...sorry, man...regardless of age, experience, whatever, I dont personally like it and I dont agree with what your are portraying here on the forums.

And speaking out against something that I find negative value in is something I find to be pretty cool so I wont be stopping.

Funny you should say it that way, Rabbit.

Between posting here I've been posting to the General BDSM forum as well.

One of the threads I'm active on is "How do Dominants keep "White Knight" syndrome in check? "

Perhaps you should be saying that there and see how well it goes over.

Its about midnight here, so I can't promise I'll be around much longer. But I'll pick this up in the AM and we'll see where it leads.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 11:04:59 PM

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how to tell a true Master - they would be the ones with Master on their collar...right?

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 11:20:35 PM

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how to tell a true Master - they would be the ones with Master on their collar...right?

No, they are always right.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 11:21:44 PM

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what if they are left?

does that just mean the sub is facing the wrong direction?

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 11:23:14 PM

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what if they are left?

does that just mean the sub is facing the wrong direction?

The direction never matters-the twue master is always right, and the sub is always wrong.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/5/2007 11:25:09 PM

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that must mean i am fucked...oh wait thats what i want to be..damnit, i am horny again...

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 4:10:03 AM

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the twue master is always right

Does this mean I have to be deliberately wrong from time to time so as not to become a "twue master", Rafe?

"The sun is purple."

"Bill Clinton is still president."

"Slaves don't need air to breathe."

"Satisfied?"

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 5:01:20 AM

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Bob, I have argued everything I intend to on this issue.

You havent argued by viewpoints or my opinions, but have taken this thread to simply going "Nuh uh, I'm right and your wrong".

Now, as much as I would like this to go on for pages where you admit no fault and reduce this to me being immature or emotionally out of control (rather than maybe accept that I sincerely mean what I am saying).

If you can however construct some kind of argument against my orginal opinions that isnt along the lines of self idolization and talking down to me without any real substance, perhaps we can have a discussion.

And, unfortanely, I am right, Bob. There is no special level of control, some amazing attributes for a Master, no Wow factor that applies universally for one to make a power exchange work.

There is just two mature adults in a relationship that is just another relationship. The only values that are important are the one's the two individual finds value in. Just because someone has imperfections and not achieved a level of Zen like control doesnt mean they cant make a power exchange work. I know plenty who do who are nothing more than an average Joe.

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 6:27:10 AM

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And, unfortanely, I am right, Bob. There is no special level of control, some amazing attributes for a Master, no Wow factor that applies universally for one to make a power exchange work.

There is just two mature adults in a relationship that is just another relationship. The only values that are important are the one's the two individual finds value in. Just because someone has imperfections and not achieved a level of Zen like control doesnt mean they cant make a power exchange work. I know plenty who do who are nothing more than an average Joe.

Rabbit, the "average Joes" are the "fakes, liars and wannabes" I see mentioned in far too many profiles belonging to female sub/slaves.

There are a considerable number of these profiles who complain that the only people they hear from are the fakes, liars and wannabes.

That is your "average Joe", and PE is not working for him.

Which demonstrates my point that BDSM is not for the immature or the faint-hearted.

Now how mature one needs to be to make it work, and keep it working is another matter.

You say a master can get angry with his slave and beat her to the point where she needs to use a safeword, and that this is ok: he's a legitimate master.

I say that is plain wrong. No legitimate master would or should lose control of himself to the point where he needs his slave to bring him back to reality.

Who says an angry master is actually going to respect a safeword? What magic is being invoked that any master out of control with anger is going to respect a safeword?

Now you have said that if my standard were the expectations of all sub/slaves, there wouldn't be enough doms to go around.

My opinion? That is not likely to be true, as the refusal to accept anything less would force some men to grow up and learn to control themselves.

And those who refuse to grow up would not be in a position to harm any sub/slave by losing control of himself and getting angry with her and beating her till a safeword is uttered.

There's a down-side to this?

(O.o)

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 6:28:51 AM

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Why should I give a rat's ass what you do?

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

the twue master is always right

Does this mean I have to be deliberately wrong from time to time so as not to become a "twue master", Rafe?

"The sun is purple."

"Bill Clinton is still president."

"Slaves don't need air to breathe."

"Satisfied?"

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RE: How to tell a true Master? - 9/6/2007 6:53:20 AM

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He dips His lid to all;

Humbleness versus Condesendence is an aspect of Domliness that I continually juxtapose particularly relative to the company I keep. (Kink, Professionals, and the true 'yes true' peasant 'no bullshit ethical' thinkers, the latter which keep me most grounded)

But interpret as you may (cos frankly my Dear.......)

Sing together- you all know the tunes......
(to Here we round the mulberry bush)
Here we go round the subby's (exquisite feline) cage, the subby's cage, the subby's cage.
Here we go round the subby's cage; on the Collar Me boards......

(Jump down turn around, pick a bale of cotton)
Jump up Bob! whip Rabbit tail's cotton,
Jump up Bob! whip His tail again.

Oh Moderator twist both Their nipples,
Oh Moderator, give their scrotums a twist.

Pain is the name, ..... of the BDSM game
Pain is the name of Their game.
(Sir Smuggy's personal song)
Sir Smuggy tries so hard to be humble,
Sir Smuggy proffers His dommy Cane.

Oh Lord it's hard to be humble (look up Mac Davis's version)
When you' re such a twue Dom in every Way.

He can't wait to look in the mirror
He gets better looking each day......

Oh, Gees. I love these Boards and us personalities!

Warm regards to all. Driver.

(edited for my english mistakes- Americans wouldn't notice the difference?)

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