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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 9:18:31 AM

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I dont see this huge close minded attitude to "Gunplay" that everyone is saying they are having. Just to "Gunplay with Guns that are able to be Fired".

Perhaps we should replace our modern day S/M toys with ones straight from Medevial dungeons.

My ropes are actually not much different from the ropes that were used in Japan centuries ago. The ties I use are somewhat safer, but the ropes are still able to injure and kill.

I think gunplay with real working guns is dangerous as hell, and participants should seriously weigh the possible consequences for both against the benefits, just as with all edgeplay.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 9:27:26 AM

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It has been scientifically proven that life is the leading cause of all deaths.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 9:30:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: tsatske

So why is it there there are safety procedures to make gun play fine and safe for reinactors, but no amount of safety measures would make it okay for kink?

The primary reason is the difference in dynamic between re-enactments and kink. The re-enactments I have watched did not involve placing a firearm right next to somebody's head, or inserting the muzzle in the orifice of choice.

In SASS' safety rules, allowing the muzzle of a firearm to "sweep" other participants is a violation and grounds for disqualification from part or all of a competition.

Finally...the nature of kink works fundamentally against safety. The eroticism, as described here and elsewhere, derives primarily from a level of "not knowing". Gun accidents happen because people do not know the state of their firearm.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 9:30:58 AM

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[Well, knives etc are certainly capable of killing someone. Someone killed with a knife, is just as dead as someone killed by a bullet, is just as dead as someone choked to death. No guess needed, that's a fact.

I don't know about you, obviously, but when I play and no matter what I am using, I'm aware of the potential dangers and apply the relevent safety measures.

When trying something new, e.g. single tail whip, I research it's dangers, speak to experienced people and make sure I understand the potential dangers prior to using it. Then I learn how to use it.

Many of the 'toys' we use in BDSM are potentially dangerous. Many can be potentially fatal. So isn't it logical that if we strongly try to dissuade people from using one potentially fatal toy, we should try and dissuade them, equally strongly, from using every potentially fatal toy or play technique?

Well, then in the name of safety, share all this research and knowledge you have gained.

It has already been suggested here that people could play with professional grade prop guns, or replicas that look real, but are weighted so differently that the holder wouldn't mistake a real one for the prop, or by rendering the inert ammo identifiable in a more fool proof manner, etc.

You've pooh-poohed all of those safety ideas as hysterical refusal to engage in any form of gunplay, so I know you won't disappoint us by now claiming them as your own.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 9:39:51 AM

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Well, knives etc are certainly capable of killing someone. Someone killed with a knife, is just as dead as someone killed by a bullet, is just as dead as someone choked to death. No guess needed, that's a fact.

This is a tired and not very credible straw man argument.

The ease with which a firearm can take a life exceeds that of a knife or bare hands by several orders of magnitude. That differential is what pushes gun play beyond any reasonable level of risk.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 12:03:56 PM

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I hope we, as a community aren't going to start down the path of deciding for each other what is "beyond any reasonable level of risk" or what is "an acceptable level of risk". How about we stick to letting each individual make those decisions for themselves?

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 12:33:34 PM

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I hope we, as a community aren't going to start down the path of deciding for each other what is "beyond any reasonable level of risk" or what is "an acceptable level of risk". How about we stick to letting each individual make those decisions for themselves?

Great idea... and when one of those decisions ends up on the front page, who'll be the first one to pronounce 'That wasn't Twue BDSM play'? The 'community', I'm sure...

Why does the notion of common sense, reliable knowledge, and thorough precautions meet so much resistance?

Does it spoil the ego-stroke of 'born Masterhood' or the machismo of 'Real Masters don't need no steenking precautions' or something?
People too lazy to do all the work required in safely carrying off an extreme fantasy?

Sorry to be such a bummer by suggesting that people play like responsible consenting adults, instead of like kids making it up from comic books....

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 12:40:02 PM

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I think it is the way that you are 'suggesting'. You may not see it but it really is coming across as your-way-only-way. I didn't see anyone saying they wanted to do casual or dangerous play, rather different ways of securing safety.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 12:46:49 PM

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I appreciate you pointing that possibility out.

Clearly, somebody is not getting what I'm saying for some reason.

I'll have to consider it in light of the claims about what I am saying being exactly the opposite of my words though.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 1:14:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: EclipseAbove

I hope we, as a community aren't going to start down the path of deciding for each other what is "beyond any reasonable level of risk" or what is "an acceptable level of risk". How about we stick to letting each individual make those decisions for themselves?

Folks are free to do as they will.

I am free to say that gun play is foolish, reckless, and beyond any reasonable level of risk.

That is the beginning, middle, and end of that discussion.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 1:29:36 PM

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Great idea... and when one of those decisions ends up on the front page, who'll be the first one to pronounce 'That wasn't Twue BDSM play'? The 'community', I'm sure...

Why does the notion of common sense, reliable knowledge, and thorough precautions meet so much resistance?

Does it spoil the ego-stroke of 'born Masterhood' or the machismo of 'Real Masters don't need no steenking precautions' or something?
People too lazy to do all the work required in safely carrying off an extreme fantasy?

Sorry to be such a bummer by suggesting that people play like responsible consenting adults, instead of like kids making it up from comic books....

I have no resistance to common sense, reliable knowledge and thorough precautions. I support all of those. I also support people playing like responsible consenting adults. I wish more people took the time to examine and evalutate the risks of what they do.

I just don't support anyone deciding for everyone how much risk is too much or too little. And some of the comments made in this thread on both sides sounded to me very much like deciding for everyone what is OK and what is not.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 1:34:40 PM

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Frustrating isn't it.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 1:42:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: camille65

Frustrating isn't it.

Yep. It sure is.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 7:38:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: EclipseAbove

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Great idea... and when one of those decisions ends up on the front page, who'll be the first one to pronounce 'That wasn't Twue BDSM play'? The 'community', I'm sure...

Why does the notion of common sense, reliable knowledge, and thorough precautions meet so much resistance?

Does it spoil the ego-stroke of 'born Masterhood' or the machismo of 'Real Masters don't need no steenking precautions' or something?
People too lazy to do all the work required in safely carrying off an extreme fantasy?

Sorry to be such a bummer by suggesting that people play like responsible consenting adults, instead of like kids making it up from comic books....

I have no resistance to common sense, reliable knowledge and thorough precautions. I support all of those. I also support people playing like responsible consenting adults. I wish more people took the time to examine and evalutate the risks of what they do.

I just don't support anyone deciding for everyone how much risk is too much or too little. And some of the comments made in this thread on both sides sounded to me very much like deciding for everyone what is OK and what is not.

Yeah...

Thats why its called...

*drum roll*

advice...

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RE: Gun Play - 9/28/2007 7:44:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: EclipseAbove

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Great idea... and when one of those decisions ends up on the front page, who'll be the first one to pronounce 'That wasn't Twue BDSM play'? The 'community', I'm sure...

Why does the notion of common sense, reliable knowledge, and thorough precautions meet so much resistance?

Does it spoil the ego-stroke of 'born Masterhood' or the machismo of 'Real Masters don't need no steenking precautions' or something?
People too lazy to do all the work required in safely carrying off an extreme fantasy?

Sorry to be such a bummer by suggesting that people play like responsible consenting adults, instead of like kids making it up from comic books....

I have no resistance to common sense, reliable knowledge and thorough precautions. I support all of those. I also support people playing like responsible consenting adults. I wish more people took the time to examine and evalutate the risks of what they do.

I just don't support anyone deciding for everyone how much risk is too much or too little. And some of the comments made in this thread on both sides sounded to me very much like deciding for everyone what is OK and what is not.

Yeah...

Thats why its called...

*drum roll*

advice...

PUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
but anyways, fuck guns - it's all about having a book pointed at your head.
TABOO. RISKY. HOOOTTTT.

Love,
GM

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RE: Gun Play - 9/29/2007 5:38:45 AM

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Actually, Celtic, one of the early posters to this thread said that while Gunplay seemed to her to be too dangerous to try, she had to admit that the thought was hot. And she was directly responded to ( the poster responding to her quoted her, so he was talking about her post, clearly, not mine) and said she was a canadate for the Darwin Award.
Huh? How dangerous is thinking about guns?

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RE: Gun Play - 9/29/2007 6:04:48 AM

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Dontchya know its just as dangerous to talk about them!

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RE: Gun Play - 9/29/2007 7:15:47 AM

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Points finger at hot sub, and yells "bang"!!!!!!

Are you dead yet?

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RE: Gun Play - 9/29/2007 7:43:59 AM

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No kidding. I have some pretty volatile books on my shelf that could do serious damage to a sensitive sub. Definitely RACK play, that.

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PUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
but anyways, fuck guns - it's all about having a book pointed at your head.
TABOO. RISKY. HOOOTTTT.

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RE: Gun Play - 9/29/2007 8:09:28 AM

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I have found that a lot of people have a unreasonable fear of firearms. They know only what they are fed on TV. They have no real life experience with firearms. A firearm not the living breathing monster that a lot of people believe it is. It is only a tool, just like all the dangerous tools in my tool box. Your neighbor's dog is a lot more dangerous to you then that firearm.

A unload firearm is a lot less dangerous then the saw or screwdriver sitting in the toolbox. That kitchen knife in your kitchen will cut you in a minute if you are careless in reaching for it. See any sharp edges on a gun? You can handle it all day and it will not cut you.

Just like a drill, don't feed it power and it will not do any damage. Don't feed a gun bullets and it is nothing but a piece of pretty metal.

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