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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/27/2008 7:31:20 PM

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OMFG......DOES THIS MEAN I HAVE TO PUT AWAY THE FUZZY BUNNY SLIPPER LIFESTYE FOREVER????????????

Can you whack an ass hard enough with a fuzzy bunny slipper to leave a mark? If you do it regularly does that make it a lifestyle?

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/27/2008 7:38:48 PM

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I love watching a good vivisection-I like the number 11 exacto for teasing out the nerves.

Nothing but ganglia. No brain at all.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/27/2008 7:51:34 PM

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I'm glad I have my Lucky Astrology Mood Watch to guide me through these waters.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/27/2008 9:06:05 PM

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Oh great!!!....i still didn't get my mood ring and now you guys have watches too! i'm soooo confused and don't know what mood to be in....can i have a mood collar maybe?

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/27/2008 9:56:57 PM

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you tell me john. what does collarme have to do with the OP. people on here seem to think this is the be all end all od bdsm lifestyle.

Well, you seem to want to paint with a mighty broad brush there, my friend. Do me a favor and practice your artistry on someone else, since I have never once portrayed Collarme or anything else as the be all and end all to anything. Of course, you may not wish to be encumbered by the facts.

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and when someone comes on the forum for the first few times, they maybe be new to collarme, but that does not mean they are new to the lifestyle..

Nor does it mean that they aren't spewing self-indulgent rhetoric. Which was my point in regards to the OP. What was your point?

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thats great that you have been on collarme for 4 years now, but do new comers to collarme really need to be treated like someone just stepping into the comunnity?

How long I've been on Collarme has nothing to do with this issue, just as someone being a newcomer has nothing to do with it either. We are challenged and judged upon the validity of what we say... not how long it took us to say it.

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oh the days i remember.... people actually used to answer the mail sent to them, the days before the PC and you actually had to go out of your way and pay to send mail,..... nowadays its hard to get an email returned, and email is free. remeber those days john? when you had to go find a magazine or newsletter, and then you actually had to hand write a letter, or even type it out, and then physically put an effort in to getting the mail into a mailbox. or you had to find that "place" where things happened.

Seriously, do you work for the Post Office? Do you secretly long for the days of the pony express and pine for the era of papyrus scrolls? Sounds like you have an issue with modernity and progress that has nothing whatsoever to do with me or this thread.

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now people get on the PC and say they are all these things, and they have know clue what these things they say are.

So you have no problem recognizing those traits, but do have a problem when someone like myself recognizes them. What do they call that? Oh, yeah... hypocrisy.

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we can have a group discussion on all this at IML '08 in chicago.

Am I supposed to be impressed or intimidated that you're actually attending a real time leather event? Get over yourself. I've attended more events in more states and provinces than you can find on a map.

John

i think you need to get over yourself john. you took everything i wrote and took it way out of context. you are the one who made the crack about the OP and 3 months on a forum.

at 2 years older than me,,, i find it hard to believe you can really be that self righteous over me. you seem to have more of a chip than what you seem to imply that i do.

i said i remeber those days,, i didnt say i long for those days. it would be nice however, if people could respond to email, after all ,,,,, it is free.

the density level on here i swear. i am not trying to impress or intimidate. i find it excellent though you are able to travel and see so many leather communties and events and be so close to all the activity.

maybe next time i am in PGH we can meet for some chat. and maybe you could show me around the community there. i visit a couple times a year.

so i take it you were neither intimidated or impressed about IML, but after your rhetoric, i expect to see you there. we can have a coffee clutch and discuss the pros and cons of the modern world. lets say about 5ish on sat evening?should we dismiss our slaves and have it be a masters only? or should it be an open forum, and let the slaves have a say in things too? anyone else is welcome to join.

i think all the BS on here has proven the point the OP was trying to make. to me anyway, but we have all experienced my view as being different than most on here.

talk about painting with a wide brush.... maybe it would be easier for you to explain what you meant by this, "
When I read threads like this, I'm prone to asking myself what the lifestyle *really* was like three months ago when the OP discovered it in an online chatroom."

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 5:52:59 AM

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talk about painting with a wide brush.... maybe it would be easier for you to explain what you meant by this, "
When I read threads like this, I'm prone to asking myself what the lifestyle *really* was like three months ago when the OP discovered it in an online chatroom."

While I won't speak for John, I would imagine that threads and posts whining how the "lifestyle" isn't like the good old days of honor, respect, eloquence, blah blah (kind of like your post and the OPs) are usually written by online doofuses who are sporting some personal fantasy they have of a "purer and greater lifestyle" that never really existed.

There is a huge gap between the perspective shed of the "lifestyle" 20 years by the OP and the perspective shed of the "lifestyle" 20 years ago by historians.

I'm sorry that you don't get as much email as you used to, but to somehow make the link between your perspective of change on this single website to some kind of huge wordly difference in the great "Lifestyle" is a stretch I can't make with you.

I can understand how you would think such a myopic thing thought if this website was all the exposure you had to the "Lifestyle"....

I don't see anything "disintegegrating". I see it growing constantly. New sources of information, more people getting involved, the things we do less stigmatic and more familiar on a public level, more knowledge about safety and disease prevention....

I wish all the losers who feel the need to whine endlessly about everyone in the world isn't doing things that they like, not buying into the traditions they like, not treating them with the respect that they like, and not living their lives the way that they like would disintegrate.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 6:16:25 AM

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i think you need to get over yourself john.

Is this an example of "I'm rubber and you're glue"? The least you could do is be original. It keeps people interested.

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you took everything i wrote and took it way out of context.

Out of context? Where? How? I think you'll need to document each instance in which you allege that I took what you said out of context. Simply claiming it to be so does not instill me with any great confidence that your allegation is either truthful or accurate. Though it is a convenient (and rather thin) defense to the public embarrassment caused by your own post.

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you are the one who made the crack about the OP and 3 months on a forum.

Yes, I was and I stand by it. Unlike yourself I have the cajones not to not run away from what I have said. The rhetoric contained within the OP is representative of the kind of self-indulgent post made by someone with three months internet BDSM experience, not the 20 years real time experience claimed by the OP. Of course, different people have different learning curves and that may be all that the OP has learned in 20 years real time experience. In which case I am wrong and the OP is simply... intellectually challenged. I guess the jury is still out on that, as the OP has not responded to the thread that he started.

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at 2 years older than me,,, i find it hard to believe you can really be that self righteous over me.

It's not so hard to do, believe me.

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you seem to have more of a chip than what you seem to imply that i do.

I don't have a chip on my shoulder, as that would imply that I'm easily offended... which I definitively am not. But this is a bulletin board, not a billboard. People are expected to commment (good and bad) upon what others write. And if I think something worth my comment (good or bad), then I'm pleased to share it.

If your complaint is that you and the OP do not get positive comments from me, then I suggest that both of you improve the content of your contributions.

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i said i remeber those days,, i didnt say i long for those days. it would be nice however, if people could respond to email, after all ,,,,, it is free.

Seriously, what does this have to do with the thread? Or is it just some stream of consciousness extraneous thought?

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the density level on here i swear.

Yeah, it's astounding... isn't it.

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i am not trying to impress or intimidate.

Good... wasn't possible anyway.

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i find it excellent though you are able to travel and see so many leather communties and events and be so close to all the activity.

Yeah, lucky me.

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maybe next time i am in PGH we can meet for some chat. and maybe you could show me around the community there. i visit a couple times a year.

If I'm in town and you give me a week or two notice, I'd be glad to chat with you and show you around. Here's a link to our community calendar so you can view our local munches, events and their schedules.

www.pittsburghleather.org

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so i take it you were neither intimidated or impressed about IML, but after your rhetoric, i expect to see you there.

My rhetoric about what? First, do me the favor of supplying quotes of mine that you consider rhetorical. And second, please supply me with the leap of logic by which you expect to see me at IML. In fact, you'll have to draw me a road map in order for me to understand how you've come to that conclusion.

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we can have a coffee clutch and discuss the pros and cons of the modern world. lets say about 5ish on sat evening?should we dismiss our slaves and have it be a masters only? or should it be an open forum, and let the slaves have a say in things too? anyone else is welcome to join.

I think you'll find a "clutch" on motor vehicles. A "klatch" is much more likely to include coffee.

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i think all the BS on here has proven the point the OP was trying to make. to me anyway, but we have all experienced my view as being different than most on here.

The OP couldn't make a clue out of "Colonel Mustard in the board room". Admitting that his point is proven to you is.... well... damning. Though I will agree that your opinions have often been "different". But hey, you gotta be you.

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talk about painting with a wide brush.... maybe it would be easier for you to explain what you meant by this, "
When I read threads like this, I'm prone to asking myself what the lifestyle *really* was like three months ago when the OP discovered it in an online chatroom."

Actually, that's painting with a very narrow brush... painting only the OP. Do you understand what "painting with a wide brush" means? One could reasonably doubt that you do.

And although most people will understand the meaning of that passage, I'm pleased to provide further explanation for those that require it (you). It means that the rhetoric espoused in the OP is reminiscent of three years of online chatroom experience, not the twenty years of real time experience claimed by the OP.

If you are in need of additional explanation, please do not hesitate to say so.

John

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 6:34:51 AM

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Ah....I love the smell of smackdown in the morning.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 7:30:39 AM

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This has actually turned into a serious thread. Okay, I can be serious.

Painting with a broad brush :-) there are two kinds of people: those who take responsiblity for their inadequacies, and those who blame others for them. The first kind of person fails at something -- like, oh, say, sends out a bunch of letters and gets no replies back -- and says, "Hey, wait a minute! There must be something I am doing wrong! How can I present myself better?" The second kind of person says, "I'm not getting the action that A MASTER OF MY CALIBRE DESERVES, so it must be because there are no true slaves anymore, the lifestyle has completely disintegrated."

Insanity: doing the exact same thing over and over again, but expecting this time there will be different results.

There are *lots* of threads from people asking how they can improve their profiles, how they can improve their abilities to approach subs, Dominant women.. even how to recruit webcam slaves lol. Some posters, however, already know everything there is to know about human nature, are phenomenally intelligent and ridiculously hot, so it must be the fault of the fake slaves that they're not getting any mail.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 8:31:47 AM

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MR.....the older we get...the better we were....:)

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 8:44:31 AM

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The second kind of person says, "I'm not getting the action that A MASTER OF MY CALIBRE DESERVES, so it must be because there are no true slaves anymore, the lifestyle has completely disintegrated."

Insanity: doing the exact same thing over and over again, but expecting this time there will be different results.

This is what I was trying to say a few pages back, only less well:) The LIFESTYLE does not control me, or my actions, or my relationships. What does what someone else is doing have to do with my relationship? I am not sure of the thinking process that would go from , "I am not getting what I want" to the conclusion that "And it's the disintegration of the lifestyles's fault".

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 8:49:21 AM

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This thread is giving me so much amusement that I haven't gotten any work done yet today.

Hey, could we make slacking off a new fetish too? I want a slacker fetish, then I could be finally be twue.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 8:56:15 AM

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i have learned that some of you are way too cool for me. i would expect to see john at IML after he boasts of being at more of these events in more places than i can find on a map. this is, as they say, john may know better, the biggest event for the leather community.

personally i care very little about this event. brunoslave has been requesting we attend an event like this as a family. oldmanslave and i went a few years ago, and found it to be a dazzling display of costumery and narcissism.

i guess you read my" see you at IML' as a pistols at dawn kind of threat.. when what i really meant was, see you at IML(smile). i figured it was such an important event that most on here would be attending.

you are talented though, being able to pinpoint someone so accurately. the OP does not have 20 years experience in real time, only 3 years of chatroom experience.

well, myself i cannot speak for the OP and his life of experience or lack of.

all these years,,, maybe we have just been crossing paths. cellblock, chaindrive, sf eagle,ramrod, folsom st, etc,etc. maybe someday, but i doubt i would have interest in such self rightousness you seem to agree you have. i think its better you are the only legitimate ones on here. i would rather be excluded than accepted on this one.

cheers

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 9:14:59 AM

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i have learned that some of you are way too cool for me. i would expect to see john at IML after he boasts of being at more of these events in more places than i can find on a map. this is, as they say, john may know better, the biggest event for the leather community.

personally i care very little about this event. brunoslave has been requesting we attend an event like this as a family. oldmanslave and i went a few years ago, and found it to be a dazzling display of costumery and narcissism.

i guess you read my" see you at IML' as a pistols at dawn kind of threat.. when what i really meant was, see you at IML(smile). i figured it was such an important event that most on here would be attending.

you are talented though, being able to pinpoint someone so accurately. the OP does not have 20 years experience in real time, only 3 years of chatroom experience.

well, myself i cannot speak for the OP and his life of experience or lack of.

all these years,,, maybe we have just been crossing paths. cellblock, chaindrive, sf eagle,ramrod, folsom st, etc,etc. maybe someday, but i doubt i would have interest in such self rightousness you seem to agree you have. i think its better you are the only legitimate ones on here. i would rather be excluded than accepted on this one.

cheers

I find this somewhat amazing that you are so active in so many groups, clubs, scenes, and events when it says in your profile....

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not into groups, clubs, scenes

Edited to Add : Or was that out of context as well?

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 9:20:00 AM

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I don't plan to attend the Foundations of Nanotechnology conference this year. Perhaps that means I'm not a true nanotechonologist. Also, I don't own *any* leather clothing, because many of my friends are vegetarian, and I don't like the look enough to make people I care about uncomfortable.

I'm not going to FNano because I am using my travel budget for that month to go to a resort town with a sub female friend. She is *vegan* ("worse" than vegetarian), and trained in tantra.

I don't consider myself "cool." I certainly spend a lot of time doing nerdy, not-cool things. But I am very grateful that intelligent, kind, beautiful women care enough about me that they are willing to invest their time in me. And, enjoyable as those times are, it *always feels better* if I am in love with someone who loves me. So I am hopeful this section of my life will end with me having a -- (gasp) -- girlfriend.

Y'all excuse me now. I have to go hang my head in shame because I am so fake.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 10:07:32 AM

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Every remembers things when they were better.....no one remembers the shitty times. The OP smells of eliteism...thats what made it so unpalatable to me. blah blah blah,,,,,only I know the one true way, blah blah blah.

Jeff

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 11:30:33 AM

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A collared submissive, i think not!

i think you'll get as many answers as there are people here to answer this question. i think just about everyone views it differently. i have been in several discussions where the semantics of the question at hand were debated until everyone was fed up and blue in the face.

my own personal views have changed over time and during my personal development and growth have changed quite a bit, and might change further in the future since i am now owned and will learn more about myself and others.

i believe that submissive is a verb to describe either the behavior, reaction, or the nature of a person (or all of the above). There are some people who are submissive in some areas of their life and others who are submissive by nature.

When it comes to the lifestyle context, while i don't like using it as a noun, i view the term "submissive" as someone who is interested in or who by nature prefers being on the bottom end of a D/s or M/s relationship. They might not necessarily be submissive in nature all the way around, but within the dynamic of lifestyle relationships, they are inclined to be the person who is dominated or controlled rather than the dominator or controller. It is a convenient label to let people know what aspect of the D or the s that person is interested in in order to make things run more smoothly.

A slave to me is simply someone who is owned. To me, a Master can be a Master without owning a slave, but a slave cannot be a slave without having an owner.

They might be a submissive person - they might not be a submissive person. In order to fit into my (and Webster's) definition of slave, however, they must be abjectly subservient to another individual(s) i.e. their owner. They don't have to be submissive to the mailman, the grocer, or anyone else who claims to be a Dom or Master unless required to behave that way by their owner.

i no longer believe that limits have anything to do with the definitions of a slave or a submissive. Limits will be defined by the Master of the slave or pushed by the submissive’s Dominant.

A slave can be a submissive person. A submissive may or may not be owned. If she is owned, then she has in essence become a slave (submissive with a collar??).

Hence this is the most logical way for me to get past the melodramatic argument of debate as to what is the definition of both and the difference between them.

The BDSM lifestyle has created its own bit of jargon which in many cases leaves a lot of gray area to be filled in by personal interpretation. i find it all very confusing and miss informative to the newbie.

i agree with the line of thought that says that a slave doesn't have to be submissive in nature. In fact i am a much stronger person than i was before i met my Master, and he has taught me to be a better person, one who is comfortable with who and what i am and in doing this i think i am now much stronger in character and personality then many Dominants. That being said however, the submissive must be owned and in being owned, must be subservient to that particular owner.

i am not a submissive woman by nature, perhaps more so only when i choose to be. i’m not submissive to all Dominants and Mistresses, etc. i am, however, submissive by nature to strong, confident, Masters. i have surrendered to one man only and through his enslavement of me, he defines my limits. My reaction to him is submissive because of who he is and who i am.

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 12:38:12 PM

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to you op, in case you have forgotten, i'm not owned and collared by you. so whatever lesson you're trying to teach your slaves does not pretain to me.

my opinion stands.

in another 20yrs, you'll be here whining again how your beloved lifestyle has changed once again for the worse (or better). it seems there's no pleasing you. we do not have to conform to your lifestyle ways and/or beliefs. everything changes ...nothing ever stays the same especially in BDSM as i have seen with my own eyes. yet i'm not going to bitch and complain that it's disintegrating the current status of the kink lifestyle because people are doing things that i wouldn't even consider doing. whatever floats their boat is fine with me or as the common saying goes around here "your kink is not my kink".

perhaps you should try remembering that for the next time you post a complaint about the status of BDSM in the near future

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 12:51:18 PM

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i have learned that some of you are way too cool for me. i would expect to see john at IML after he boasts of being at more of these events in more places than i can find on a map. this is, as they say, john may know better, the biggest event for the leather community.

Get your story straight. I said I was at more events in more states and provinces than you can find on a map (post # 148) after you had made the IML reference twice (in posts #143 and #145). This is part of the factual record in this thread that anyone can find for themselves.

You are back pedaling, without the stones to stand behind what you say. I don't respect that.

As for IML being *the* biggest event of the year, that is a matter of opinion. For some it's the Folsom Street Fair. For others it's Black Rose. And there are many other fine events, and many different opinions as to which is *the* event of the year. If you want to limit your assertion to the gay community (which you did not), then I'd agree that IML is probably *the biggest event of the year for gay leather.

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personally i care very little about this event. brunoslave has been requesting we attend an event like this as a family. oldmanslave and i went a few years ago, and found it to be a dazzling display of costumery and narcissism.

i guess you read my" see you at IML' as a pistols at dawn kind of threat.. when what i really meant was, see you at IML(smile). i figured it was such an important event that most on here would be attending.

Ok, so you're the one saying it's such an important event that "anyone who's anyone" would be there, and then accusing me (and others?) of placing undue importance upon this event? Honestly, your reasoning is beyond my comprehension. If you want to say something about IML, spit it out in plain English. Have the stones to say it for the record instead of making cryptic references that you can plausibly deny.

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you are talented though, being able to pinpoint someone so accurately. the OP does not have 20 years experience in real time, only 3 years of chatroom experience.

Actually, I misspoke when I said 3 years online chatroom experience. I meant to say (as I did initially) 3 months of online chatroom experience. And I stand by that assessment of the self-aggrandizing rhetoric in the OP, while allowing for the fact that regardless of chronological experience, some people never learn anything more.

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well, myself i cannot speak for the OP and his life of experience or lack of.

Kewl, then don't.

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all these years,,, maybe we have just been crossing paths. cellblock, chaindrive, sf eagle,ramrod, folsom st, etc,etc. maybe someday, but i doubt i would have interest in such self rightousness you seem to agree you have. i think its better you are the only legitimate ones on here. i would rather be excluded than accepted on this one.

What happened to the request of my company during your next visit to Pittsburgh? No longer interested in having a chat, and being introduced to our local community? Did you think (hope/wish) that I wouldn't take you up on your offer?

And bully for you to have attended a few more events than just IML. In the future you would be well advised to make sure that it's considerably more impressive before you whip it out in public.

John

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RE: Is our life style disintegrating so fast that there... - 1/28/2008 1:03:39 PM

sambamanslilgirl

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quote:

A submissive may or may not be owned. If she is owned, then she has in essence become a slave (submissive with a collar??)

this is where we'll have to agree to disagree politely because you wouldn't like my pov about this statement you made.

i'm owned/collared submissve in which Daddy as well as SO does not see or treat me as a slave. in their eyes, i'm still submissive and will always be. and in the same token, i don't treat or call them "master" since they prefer to remain as my Dominants.

< Message edited by sambamanslilgirl -- 1/28/2008 1:04:46 PM >

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