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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/28/2008 3:56:58 PM   
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Ohhh - good point!!!!

and in medicine there is a saying about looking for horses before zebras - if it looks like a horse and sounds like a horse and smells like a horse then it probably is a horse - rather than a zebra.  It is very probable that the woman is batshit crazy.            Sorry

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/28/2008 4:22:41 PM   
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Ummmm folks...
His profile is not found... and it's his 4th post and he hasn't been back...

ok...  just saying.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/29/2008 9:57:04 PM   
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quote:

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Greetings, I mirror your thoughts, well said.
Being in an unhealthy relationship can trun anyone into a bitch or asshole. Sometimes I have found out that people enjoy pushing buttons, just to see the bitch come out. Instead of looking within self, to see why one needs to push buttons, it's much easier to focus on look she's a bitch   poor, poor me, look what I have to deal with.




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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 8:34:40 AM   
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If we're really lucky, the submissive in question will visit and tell us her side of the story.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 8:45:57 AM   
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The OP posted it as a hypothetical... didn't say that they were involved in it from either side of the slash.  So is it real, or is it Memorex? (showing my age here)

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 8:50:20 AM   
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It's fun when people start threads and insist it isn't about their relationships.  No really, it's not about us!

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 9:42:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: happypervert

If we're really lucky, the submissive in question will visit and tell us her side of the story.


Setting us up for a sequal?...

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 9:57:57 AM   
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It's so easy to denounce someone as unstable without knowing the facts. The facts here are simple, we're provided with one person's perspective only as to a hypothetical occurrence - the OP pointed to none of the 'victim's' actions prior to the vicious assault.

I once had a man, whom I was having a disagreement with, raise his fist to me and put it in my face "You do it my way or this is what you're going to get" and to prove his point he thrust it into my face - hard. He did that once, I wiped the ground with him. To his friends/family I was 'that psychotic bitch', he omitted the crucial information when relaying the events - he omitted to tell them that he'd punched me in the face when I calmly disagreed with him.

It's all about perspective.

Edited to add: Speaking about perspective - The OP was referring to a forthcoming wedding, which indicates that unless it was an arranged marriage, the prospective bridegroom/bride would have spent considerable time together... there are always indicators for behaviours and when there's a pattern of dysfunction in one there's generally an enabler in their partner and/or family.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 11:37:59 AM   
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Assault and Battery charges, bare minimum.

And again that giant red flag should be going off.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 2:51:38 PM   
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  So, yes, there are two sides to every story, and by popular demand, here is mine. 
She wanted to get married secretly because she admitted to being “flighty” and didn’t want her friends or family to know about it because none of them approve of me as , yes, I have said and done a few stupid things but they only hear one side of the story. She originally wanted to get married on her ex’es birthday, the anniversary of our first date, and the date I first ripped her pants down and fed her hungry kitty. She left all the planning details to me.  I was planning for a couple of pictures, a nice setting under the stars at the Stratosphere, nothing too fancy, just enough to make her happy.
Well, most men’s minds are not wired to plan weddings, so when she wanted to change the date it threw my equilibrium off balance and I requested to have a couple of days to give a well thought out response. There wasn’t anything I wouldn’t do to please her because I am just plain crazy about her. When I didn’t respond right at that moment she got very irate and that anger did not subside, only increased. One week later I walked 50 miles to give her a $4,000 diamond ring. Why walk? Because it seemed to be a romantic gesture. What man would walk that distance for his love?
 By the time I arrived there I was emotionally and physically exhausted, frozen for lack of remembering a jacket, diarrhea, sleeping in the bushes, I was at my weakest point. She began screaming at the top of her lungs, the smoke was coming out of her ears I looked at her and smiled, that upset her even more so she slapped me. When I did not respond to that she slapped me over and over. After about 30 slaps it was beginning to annoy me so I took a step forward and rubbed noses with her, eye to eye. Then her eyes started  popping out of her head, a very strange look that I had not ever seen on anybody’s face ever before and she began to focus her gaze on my cheek and began lightly tapping it with a clenched fist, then harder and harder before taking a step back and clocking me one.
I stood there and absorbed another 30 punches to the face, all the while trying to decide what to do. Taking her by the hair and forcing her into submission was an option, but something was telling me not to react in any way, to turn the other cheek, only feeling a tremendous love for her and wanting to hopefully show her that regardless of the circumstance, I may sometimes say the wrong things when angry, but would not ever strike her in anger as long as I live.
As I absorbed all those shots to the face I began to fade away and fell over backwards into her bathtub, narrowly missing a crash through the glass doors and a ride in an ambulance. She then remarked in a very childlike voice “Wow! I’ve never done that to any of my friends before!” Then she ran out of the bathroom   All the while we were planning on getting married she would remark that I had not got down on a knee and asked her, so I raised myself from the tub and got down on a knee and asked. She laughed at me. So I then stood over the toilet with the ring.
I pinched pennies, scrimped and saved for months to buy her that ring because she said it had to cost a least $1,500.(red flag??), but I wasn’t going to give her one that was any less than one full carat. I was not going to leave with it and then stress about it any more. If she didn’t want to wear it, no woman would ever wear it because it was for her and her alone.  So I made a movement as if I was going to flush it down the toilet. She said “Go ahead, see if I care!” So I flushed it down the toilet.
 As I stood there watching it swirl around the bottom of the toilet bowl, I felt inclined to reach down there and snatch it back, after all, it cost me four freaking grand. But I said No, I am not a materialistic person, it’s only money, they make new ones every day. I was man enough to flush it I wasn’t about to change my mind. We had discussed how if two people were really in love a crackerjack box ring would be enough.
After it flushed, she made another strange noise then ran out of the room only to return in about 5 minutes with more screaming until I left. As I was leaving I dropped some change out of the clothes I was carrying. I was jus going to leave it but she screamed even louder that if I didn’t pick it up she was going to call the cops. Without saying a word, I looked at her and thought “If the cops show up she would be the one they would haul away,” and I didn’t want her to miss picking up her son from school. So I picked it up and left, in tears, and in shock. That wasn’t supposed to be the way the Brian Adams concert that night was to unfold.
  When she wouldn’t talk to me after that, of course I did my little childish antics that were normal for the breakups and pushed her further away as usual, as there were previous breakups, each progressively lasting longer than the one before, but oh the makeup kiss!!! The sex combined with that level of emotion!!!! I have had difficulty dealing with my emotions because I had not once ever opened up to anybody the way I did for her.
She will pile lie upon lie about what I’ve done and what she has done, twisting the facts, accusing me of stalking her online, yes, I have tried to talk some sense into her, often by blogging on different web pages which she has copied each and everyone  then masquerades them as if they were emails sent to her, so who is stalking who?? If she really waned to hide from me she wouldn’t have sent me an email from her new address, and of course I play right into it being the fool in love that I am.
We had both agreed we were married in spirit, and to me that is stronger than any piece of paper. So if I break the vow I become a liar. So instead I try to make it through each day the best I can. That may sound kind of whimpy, but it has always been so easy to replace a warm, willing body for sexual purposes when necessary to avoid any emotional bonds. . I had considered assault and battery charges, but that is not my style, preferring to believe that what goes around comes around. Assault and battery??  Is there such a thing as attempted manslaughter?
Red flags???  I have not ever shied away from a fight or a challenge so my willingness to compromise myself for her pleasure may have undermined my dominance over her, as she had even removed her new collar without asking, saying it was too heavy, yet then posts a picture of it online to put it’s beauty on display.
Maybe this sounds kind of whiny assed, but it does help to vent in a different manner other than how I am accustomed to which would be , ummmm, going out and screwing somebody else’s brains out.  I want to find out what triggered the rage in her and work with her to help pacify it and use what psychological insight was gained from that experience to not only improve my own sense of well being, but ours together. It would take a  therapist years to get in as deep.  
When life gives me red flags,  I like to put them in a sack and go ice fishing. If anybody has ever been ice fishing before, you know of the excitement of freezing your buns off all day in hopes of hearing somebody yell “FLAG!!!” and the running to the ice trap and find dinner on the other end of the line.  Seek therapy for myself?? Ice fishing is very good therapy, but because of the anguish of not hearing her voice, yes, I have been to more than one therapist and they all have said the same thing, amazed that I have lasted this long…. I also went to therapy to try and learn how to deal with her, for I am only an amateur
Yes, I have said and done some very childish stupid things, but she blames me for allowing her to beat my face in when that kind of behavior lands most people in either jail, prison, a hospital, or even a morgue. So instead of feeling grateful she didn’t end up in any of those places, she plays it as if she is the victim, yet preaches how the mirror is slighted when one can not see their own actions. I took all of her best shots and guided with that knowledge I want to give her my best shot by putting my best foot forward.   Does that make me a psycho?? Good. She has said that not only can I make myself look like a very stupid fool, but I appear to even enjoy doing so. That is an art unto itself. When I find the right bass guitar player, the general public will find out just how off my rocker I can be and pay good money to see and hear it   It’s not a matter of replacing her, but a matter of not wanting to, even if that means someday being stabbed to death in my sleep.

This was my wedding vow:

My dearest darling angel
Submits her body
To my complete control
In return
she is promised
All My
Heart and Soul

By reading some of these threads I hope to gain insight on how the submissive mind operates. Is she really a submissssive if she wants to control every aspect of a man's life for the privelige of tying her up?

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 5:15:36 PM   
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Sounds like my ex sister in-law.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 6:12:03 PM   
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wasn't this on some reality show?

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 6:27:29 PM   
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I am a crimally violent dominate.

I will beet you to unconcious, and I hope you can swallow while in a coma, it will go better for you if you can do that.



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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 6:40:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NumberSix

I am a crimally violent dominate.

I will beet you to unconcious, and I hope you can swallow while in a coma, it will go better for you if you can do that.




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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 6:43:00 PM   
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This relationship is poisonous to both of you.
I highly suggest breaking it off and NEVER getting back together with her again.
If either of you are abusing drugs or alcohol, stop.
And for heaven's sake, get enough therapy under your belt to know a twisted relationship when you are in one. (and don't even think about attempting another relationship until you have your own self under control.
This is not love.
This is obsession.
And I do have to ask; are either or both of you bi-polar or schizophrenic? Something doesn't sound right here. At all.
And yeah, it's gonna hurt like a son of a bi***, because you guys are co-dependent on each other, I think.
But you reallllly need to extricate yourself from this like, yesterday.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 7:07:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tormentise



By reading some of these threads I hope to gain insight on how the submissive mind operates. Is she really a submissssive if she wants to control every aspect of a man's life for the privelige of tying her up?


1) What makes you think that her behavior had anything to do with how the submissive mind operates?

2) Rather than trying to figure why she did what she did, you'd be better off trying to figure out why you CHOSE to be with someone that would behave that way towards you. You enabled that behavior. It only went as far as you allowed it to go.

3) Cut off all contact, heal and think about your choices and what you want from life.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/30/2008 11:37:47 PM   
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Enabled my .... foot. I remember the first time I called her a bitch. She went silent and her jaw nearly hit the floor. "Nobody ever called me that before," she said. She proceeded to tell me how all men fall at her feet and nobody ever challenged her. I did not enable her to becoming a lying, two-faced, violent bitch, she was before we met. To blame any of her actions on anything I did is childish and immature no matter how hard I push the proverbisal buttons. Learning can be a painful process and most often the hardest lessons to learn are the most valuable and it is human nature to try and discourage in others what one may not be capable of comprehending as an individual. A general rule can be applied to almost every course of action, but there will always be an exception. What is poisonous to one can be nourishment to another. Am I insane? I sure as hell hope so because if not I'd have to blame the stepfather and baysitters of my childhood for my actions. it's the crazy ones that invent and discover things previosly unknown so I'll act just as crazy as I possibly can without the assistance of drugs, alcohol, or any kind of processed or artificial food additive. If I have trouble coping, I'll do it on my terms until something gives, and something always will. As one of most trusted friends once remarked, I have a habit of opening a can of worms wherever i go. Beat me unconscious? An entire wing of inmates at the Memphis, TN jailhouse threatened me with those exact same words. They had me outnumbered twenty-five to one. Why didn't even one of them try to lay a finger on me? Probably because they wanted to keep their fingers attached to their hands. I am not trying to make sense to any of you, only her because as most of you surely know, the more somebody is told it can't be done you know darn well they will find a way. Heck, if she wasn't raaising her son, I'd have her locked in a cage way out in the woods where nobody could hear her scream, and she'd love every minute of it. The only commitment I ever made to any woman was that unless she was ragging it, the minute she didn't want to give me any pussy would be the minute I was going to go get it somewhere else.Call me any name you want, that's what the ignition switch is for. Bye!!. Figures, yeah, that's it.. Sure, I enabled her to beat my face in because it was attached to the front of my head. "Your honor, I was upset and all he did was smile so I had to eliminate him." How many of you complain about high gas prices and hate the president? How many of you can go one day wtihout using electricity, touching anything plastic or eing exosed to a petroleum based product? Who or what enabled that? Take away the plastic and electrical components and what is left of your computer? Enabled my foot.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 1:16:02 AM   
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Sure you enabled her. You were passive/aggressive and allowed a consistent pattern of behaviour to form towards you. People will only do to another what they are given the opportunity of doing. No one has blamed you for her actions, what has been said is that instead of nipping it in the bud, so to speak, you allowed it to perpetuate and made very poor choices.

You frequently mentioned 'red flags???', yet I see multiple in your actions also. You had many opportunities of simply removing yourself from the immediate area of volatility, not only did you refuse to do so, you exacerbated the situation. Take responsibility for how you deal with others and for the role you played in this long-playing dramarama, Tormentise. CBT and I'm not suggesting you offer up your testicles next time b/c there likely will be a next time until you address some issues.
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Enabled my .... foot. I remember the first time I called her a bitch. She went silent and her jaw nearly hit the floor. "Nobody ever called me that before," she said. She proceeded to tell me how all men fall at her feet and nobody ever challenged her. I did not enable her to becoming a lying, two-faced, violent bitch, she was before we met. To blame any of her actions on anything I did is childish and immature no matter how hard I push the proverbisal buttons. Learning can be a painful process and most often the hardest lessons to learn are the most valuable and it is human nature to try and discourage in others what one may not be capable of comprehending as an individual. A general rule can be applied to almost every course of action, but there will always be an exception. What is poisonous to one can be nourishment to another. Am I insane? I sure as hell hope so because if not I'd have to blame the stepfather and baysitters of my childhood for my actions. it's the crazy ones that invent and discover things previosly unknown so I'll act just as crazy as I possibly can without the assistance of drugs, alcohol, or any kind of processed or artificial food additive. If I have trouble coping, I'll do it on my terms until something gives, and something always will. As one of most trusted friends once remarked, I have a habit of opening a can of worms wherever i go. Beat me unconscious? An entire wing of inmates at the Memphis, TN jailhouse threatened me with those exact same words. They had me outnumbered twenty-five to one. Why didn't even one of them try to lay a finger on me? Probably because they wanted to keep their fingers attached to their hands. I am not trying to make sense to any of you, only her because as most of you surely know, the more somebody is told it can't be done you know darn well they will find a way. Heck, if she wasn't raaising her son, I'd have her locked in a cage way out in the woods where nobody could hear her scream, and she'd love every minute of it. The only commitment I ever made to any woman was that unless she was ragging it, the minute she didn't want to give me any pussy would be the minute I was going to go get it somewhere else.Call me any name you want, that's what the ignition switch is for. Bye!!. Figures, yeah, that's it.. Sure, I enabled her to beat my face in because it was attached to the front of my head. "Your honor, I was upset and all he did was smile so I had to eliminate him." How many of you complain about high gas prices and hate the president? How many of you can go one day wtihout using electricity, touching anything plastic or eing exosed to a petroleum based product? Who or what enabled that? Take away the plastic and electrical components and what is left of your computer? Enabled my foot.


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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 3:40:18 AM   
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It has often been said, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks,” but that is very untrue. Regardless of how old and stubborn that mutt may be, with proper leash training, it will learn. First you start out with a very long leash and allowing the dog to freely wander at it’s length but without yielding to the dog’s direction before slowly and periodically shortening the leash until the dog walks correctly at your side with barely a pinky’s worth of pressure on the leash. Some dogs may take longer than others and it is just as much the time spent with and the attention given to the dog that is equally important as the proper procedure that brings about the positive results. It works every time unless the dog is so darned old that it can barely move and ends up walking it’s master instead.
I understand your point of enablement, but do not necessarily completely agree with it. If I am a psycho, I am a psycho, nobody is enabling me to be a psycho, no wait…. It’s the entire world, people make me a psycho, I wouldn’t be a psycho if people didn’t drive me CRAZY!!! Was she a crazy bitch before we met? Of course, I didn’t turn her into a bitch, she enabled herself to be a bitch. As she likes to say, Freely we bitch because we freely love to bitch  as in our will to bitch or not, in this we bitch and moan., or something like that. So there’s your enablement..
 I debated with me and myself about whether she was bi-polar or schizophrenic as well, or maybe bi-schizopolar, but actually think it might be a case of dissociative identity disorder. I didn’t deny possessing my own coveted red flag collection., a red flag for every occasion, as a matter of fact, ask anybody that knows me well enough and they would inform you that I am one big, walking, talking red flag. If anybody is running low on red flags, I always carry extras and in all sizes. Wait…I feel a new song coming on… Toodles!!!.  

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 4:09:23 AM   
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Interesting topic. One cogent question for ME. What parameters are defining the "submissive" as such. This is an error I think many make in labeling someone "submissive". First, not all "submissives" are p-a-s-s-i-v-e.  A submissive may accept a physical role but does not have the metaphysical predisposition nor properly trained to be a true "360 submissive" (MY monniker for a fully trained submissive). The submissive was given roles that traditionally allow for independent decision making at the "outside society" level. So, I would perceive the violent behavior as a "volcanic magma" of poor training, massive assumption and all in all, pervasive misunderstanding of the concepts of "submissive versus passive".  Great topic!!!!!!  SSADOMASSTER

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