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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 4:19:58 AM   
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This IS the plot of a really bad novel, isn't it?

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 4:30:39 AM   
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You're right about one thing, whatever issues this person may have/had were prevalent prior to meeting you and just as you recognise the issues in her, reflect on those in yourself - no one makes you a victim but you. You were flippant about some of my comments, as is your right, however, the issue is not one about dysfunctions as a dominant or submissive, which is what you have tried to make this thread about, focusing on the latter,  it's an issue many people adopt as a coping strategy to help them deal with some kind of trauma/conflict. When two people have such issues it's a recipe for disaster, as you have experienced. Anger sneaks have a tendency to create a situation of frustration in another, usually someone they know to have an existing problem controlling their anger, but sit back and innocently question, "Why are you so angry, I haven't done anything!"
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ORIGINAL: Tormentise
I understand your point of enablement, but do not necessarily completely agree with it. If I am a psycho, I am a psycho, nobody is enabling me to be a psycho, no wait…. It’s the entire world, people make me a psycho, I wouldn’t be a psycho if people didn’t drive me CRAZY!!! Was she a crazy bitch before we met? Of course, I didn’t turn her into a bitch, she enabled herself to be a bitch. As she likes to say, Freely we bitch because we freely love to bitch  as in our will to bitch or not, in this we bitch and moan., or something like that. So there’s your enablement..
I debated with me and myself about whether she was bi-polar or schizophrenic as well, or maybe bi-schizopolar, but actually think it might be a case of dissociative identity disorder. I didn’t deny possessing my own coveted red flag collection., a red flag for every occasion, as a matter of fact, ask anybody that knows me well enough and they would inform you that I am one big, walking, talking red flag. If anybody is running low on red flags, I always carry extras and in all sizes. Wait…I feel a new song coming on… Toodles!!!.  


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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 7:52:42 AM   
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What ever happened to "sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can not ever hurt me?" The only time I have ever hit a woman, she was angry because I came home late, drunk, and broke. After deciding I didn't have to stay there and listen to her screaming, she got all apologetic, begged me to stay, then kicked me in the balls, dropping me to the floor. As I got up to leave again, she did exactly the same thing. I then told her if she kicked me in the balls again, I'd knock her effen ass out. Well, as soon as I saw that knee come up again I turned to the side and then tapped her on the side of the head and she went down like a sack of potatoes. Guess what?? she did not ever try to kick me in the balls again. I have been in 100's of bar room parking lot brawls. Back in the woods the rednecks like fighting the hippies or people smaller than themselves as recreation when they can't get laid. Not once did I ever hit a guy more than enough to keep him off me and often woke up bruised and cut , not remembering how I got home, but happy to be in one piece knowing somebody somewhere was hurting worse than I was. I bent myself over backwards to please her and the only thing I resent after 8 months is not having found a voice that soothes me the way hers does. yes, I enabled, allowed her to hit me and if I had wanted to try and maintain my balance a little longer more damage could have been done. A psychiatrist might blame me, a judge of law will blame her. I was trying to be patient, tolerant, and positive, and that pissed her off enough to almost kill me.  What pisses me off? watching somebody kick the shit out of somebody who isn't fighting back, that is cowardly. if she didn't blow up on me, being in a state of denial, it would only be a matter of time before she exploded on somebody else she "loves." I miss her. All the therapy and medication in the world is not going to change that. I go three or four days a week without sleep and when I do sleep it seems I enter directly into a dream state while still awake, l;aying there for maybe three hours, feeling as if it was only fifteen minutes. Many contractors will sweep shit under a rug, or hide flaws in their work knowing it will be years before anybody might discover them. That's not the kind of work I do. I don't consider myself the victim as much as just the ecpient of several blows to the head, The last couple of breakups were nearly identical, we were planning a legal marriage, her friends would criticize the manner in which we planned on getting married, I'd tell her to marry her friends, she stopped giving me pussy. Even when were were supposedly happy, she was secretly playing the harlot in all her little chatrooms. why is it that I get along fine with women, just not the one's I'm sleeping with? It's because they see so much potential in the rough model then get frustrated because they can't polish me up. I allowed her to vent like she probably had not ever vented before and hopefully will not ever again. If I saw this problem in her and did not try to do anything about it, if she walks away and then explodes on somebody else then am I also considered the enabler there as well because I allowed her to walk away in denial that she had that problem? Is that not comparable tom knowing somebody has a leaky brake lne yet failing to warn them? One thing is certain, she may be in denial as to the root of the problem, but I have confidence that she at least is now aware that it is there. And yes, I tried to get her into counseling several times but didn't follow through because everytime we'd get back together everything seemed so darn good. What the heck, it's Saturday and there aren't any soap operas on anyway.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 8:09:24 AM   
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Ooops, forgot to paragraph that last post, apologies to those offended.
Ironically, this is a verse from the very first song I wrote for her over two years ago:

slipping into submission
I saw the warning flag
by my own admission
I let the cat outta the bag
I tried to lock my senses
I tried to bite my tongue
I became defenseless
then the damage was done

it was the middle of the night
I was holding you tight
you heard my body scream
it was too dark to see
was that you with me
or was I in a dream
I was thinking of you
if it could be true
could be what it seemed
those words that I said
did not come out of my head
you heard my body scream
it screamed I love you

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 9:40:46 AM   
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Are you bipolar?
Is she?
The sleep cycle you describe sounds like manicing for a while, and then coming down.
There are drugs that can help that.
But really until you're *actually* thinking clearly; (yes, I know you believe you are but...), you can't really help the rest of your situation.
It's like putting faulty info into a computer and expecting the correct information to be given to you...
It just doesn't work that way.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 9:41:28 AM   
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Tormentise, I have a friend that lives in the US, he's a 'rough diamond' and out of an abusive marriage where his wife had affairs, would hit him and the moment he retaliated she would call 911 and have his arse hauled off to jail. Former lovers were the same, so too are ones he has now and he asks himself and everyone else why it is he can't get (in his words) 'a damn good assed woman'. There's a clear pattern to his choice in women, he doesn't and cannot see that, though. He thrives on addictive anger and enjoys its intensity. On one level he doesn't enjoy the negativity, the uneasiness, the 'never knowing when she's gonna blow', but on the other hand, he loves the anticipation and the powerful emotions such exchanges provoke - she stirred his motor and if you're honest with yourself, the lady write of stirs yours. In his words, b/c he has had so many violent/tempestuous relationships, 'wimmen are bitches'. Some are, it's not gender specific though and when we seem to attract the 'wrong' kind of person don't you agree that it's time to ask ourselves WHY?

I have had to do the same. I have no one to blame and really don't feel that anyone should be blamed, although each person needs to accept responsibility for their actions. I made very poor choices and rather than continue making them, I opted out, worked on why my cognitive awareness was impaired. I had to change, I had to learn to make better choices in life.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 10:07:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tormentise

To blame any of her actions on anything I did is childish and immature no matter how hard I push the proverbisal buttons.
I didn't say you were responsible for her actions, I said you enabled. You allowed her actions towards you to continue and kept coming back for more. That's called enabling.

While she bears the primary responsibility in her actions towards you, you bear the responsibility for putting yourself in that situation repeatedly. She didn't make the decision to keep coming back...you did.

As the old saying goes, you can only be victim once. After that, you're a volunteer.



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ORIGINAL: Tormentise
The last couple of breakups were nearly identical,

This is a sign that you're making bad decisions. This means you need to sit down and think about why you keep making decisions that keep putting you back in the same situtation.





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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 12:06:18 PM   
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  Yes, she certainly does stir my motor, and like nobody ever has before. The last night we were together, as I was leaving the office, I recall looking at her picture and feeling a sort of holiday feeling throughout my entire body, just from looking at her picture, that's how wild I am about her. Then when things started going downhill that night it resembled the feeling of having the evil stepfather give all my presents to my siblings and forcing me to sit there and watch them open them all on christmas morning and not having anything (true story, that'll sure teach me not to ever peek at the presents again!!)  
  I recall one study determining that if a person gets angry four times a year they are bipolar.  In my days of being a lumberjack, quite often a tree would lean the wrong way and pinch the saw blade inside the notch rendering the saw inoperable, leaving two choices, either move the tree enough to pull the saw out, or stand there like an idiot and get nothing done until the machine returned to push over the tree. Quite often, if you pushed hard enough, the tree would move just enough to get the saw out. Push, push, push with all one's might, purposely getting angry to raise the adrenaline level to summon enough strength to adequately move the tree.   I was working eight hours a day building houses with my uncle after school beginning at age eleven. We worked 18 hour days when there wasn't any school. Every job I have ever had I have at least doubled the production of anybody else that was hired, I have always, always been balls to the wall. Until about a month before we met, I had worked over 4 1/2 years without one single day off networking for a law firm. When I met her I exploded with creativity, writing some of my best songs and poetry. My '65 panhead sat in storage, completely torn apart, barely touched for nearly 16 years. A desire to please her has it almost completed and ready to start. It would have been started had not I have put extra effort into making it as clean as possible without ruining the integrity of the bike, completely rebuilt right down to the flywheel.   While traveling for work, I produced more than any of our other reps, setting the standard for what was expected of them. After meeting her, I nearly doubled that. If I can stay disciplined and focused enough the woman is going to inspire me right onto your FM radio. What breaks my focus? Considering giving up on her does. If that makes me bipolar, I'll take that over a handfull of pills every day.   Last year at this time, I fasted 40 days without solid food, only using juice, milk and tea. I just went 15 days on a straight water fast, but i broke it because of a lousy cigarette. Still, I am aiming for a complete 40 water only fast and to accomplish most of it during the upcoming trip. There are many misconceptions about fasting. www.falconblanco.com/health/fasting.htm    My biggest mistake this past year was taking a client from a well known motorcycle club out on the town, so you can guess where that landed us. I had a few beers, a lot of beers actually, and we ended up partying until the sun had risen for a couple of hours. Although I repeated at least three times or more to every stripper in that place, "No thanks, I love my wife." I paid the price for being out all night, hung over the next day, and in the doghouse again, still.   I have always felt guilty about being online, especially lusting through dating sites, when there are more productive and beneficial activities that can be enjoyed, yet I absolutely find myself quite impressed with the intelligence, if not brilliance, of some of the posts relating to everyday situations unrelated to the BDSM lifestyle on this site. Years ago, having studied journalism before switching the focus of my poetry to music, I was an aspiring writer, the power of the pen. It is a way of venting, just writing , writing, writing, every possible thought that can come to mind, much of it ridiculous nonsense often bordering on the edge of insanity. That's what writers do, spend hours and hours writing, often just to crumple it all up and throw it away, only to rewrite the same exact garbage the next evening.  I taught myself how to play the guitar and read music to combine with my poetry. Yes, I may be moody at times, but without those moods, my songs would be flat, monotonous and useless. I have always rebelled against authority, not ever wanting to become what I rebelled against, until a few days ago, uncovering some pictures from the three years I coached a team of Special Olympics basketball players who couldn't make it on any other S.O. basketball teams because they were told they weren't good enough. Without any previous coaching experience, we went forward and beat every single one of the teams they couldn't make it on. While at those tournaments, those children eschewed their own parents and relied on me to guide and protect them, they clung to me even as their own parents were present. I was their authority. I used to joke that the reason I got through to those kids to motivate them was because I was the most handicapped one of them all so they could relate to me as basketball players, not handicapped children.   I very recently have begun putting my first band together, and the bass player said it all, "You're the boss, so just keep playing the guitar like that." I met a guy that lets his wife beat him up about once a month or so. He says it keeps her from getting into fights at the local bar. Ask anybody who has been together over twenty years and there almost always have been long rough periods. Her and I went from point A. to point E. without touching B,C, & D.   Are you familiar with the Soulmate Emotional Destruction Theory? Can't remember where I actually found this:  "Ultimately the consequence of this notion is the unfortunate reality that soulmates often possess the ability to inflict serious emotional injury unto their twin flame, greater than any other being could. This often results in the separation of idealized love, due to the severe emotional impact. Many soulmates are destined for an eternal search, not for lack of meeting, but rather lack of acceptance. The encounter is often equivalent to the collision of matter and antimatter, a violent explosive reaction will occur, but if held through to completion only pure energy, and thus harmony, will result. Unfortunately few encounters are held through to completion."   Pure energy and harmony? That's what I call Rock & Roll, which is why I prefer to sleep on a sleeping bag in the back of my pickup, gazing at the stars instead of a more conventional, socially acceptable structure. Rock & Roll flows through my veins. One of my songs she liked the best, "Just one time I want to have it my way, To feel the kind of love I want to feel, So when I reach the end of the highway, For once just to know that it was real" about sums it up.   The other night, from the back of the truck, I was able to listen to quite a gun battle which couldn't have been more than a block away. It sounded as if it was a 9 mm against a .22, at least fifty shots total with at least the last dozen or so coming from the 9 mm. Life in the big city, isn't it wonderful??.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 5/31/2008 5:45:27 PM   
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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/1/2008 12:44:35 AM   
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Okay I will probably read that one again.{ joking } But I can say that I am just amazed at the saddness of the entire story if any of it is real. Why would anyone put up with that and then why would you post it? I like fiction but come on even that one made my head hurt.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 4:09:07 AM   
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Fiction?? Ask dear Candisa.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 7:32:16 AM   
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Remind me to add "being beaten into unconsciousness" to my list of hard limits.

Also, is it just me, or does beating a dom into unconsciousness seem like very un-sublike behavior?

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 7:41:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub
Also, is it just me, or does beating a dom into unconsciousness seem like very un-sublike behavior?
Considering that asking a woman that you know is not mentally stable and is a habitual liar to marry you after walking 50 miles to her house and then flushing a $4K diamond ring down the toilet seems "not very sane-like".........it's all even.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 8:02:09 AM   
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Stop feeding the troll guys. This is a teenaged kid getting his ya yas here. None of this is real, and continuing to feed him just encourages him to keep going. Unless of course you are replying to him to get some entertainment out of it your ownself.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 9:43:55 AM   
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For starters the Op doesn't even have a profile, this sounds like a line of BS.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 10:27:11 AM   
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Any sub who inflicts pain (let alone unconsciousness) on their Domme needs definite retraining. This is out of line with the "job " description in D/s and way crazy and illegal in the vanilla world. If you want to keep her punish her, distance yourself and eventually retrain her-assuring that she gets therapy as well.

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 10:49:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tormentise

Scenario: Dominant male and submissive female are planning their wedding. submissive wants to change the date, Dominant has no objections, but is stunned at submissive's reason why, which is wanting to spare her ex'es feelings.
Dominant says he wants a couple of days to think his response over before saying something he may later regret. Submissive instantly boils over with anger, continues to seethe and one week later beats the Dominant into unconsciousness. What person or persons, submissive or dominant, can justify this kind of violence?


Beats the Dom into unconsciousness?  i'm not a criminal lawyer, but sounds like the aggressor could be charged with anything from Domestic Violence to Attempted Murder.
 
i hope the cops and DA's office treat the Dom with dignity and respect, and that He fully recovers.
 
i think s'times Doms 'forget' They have safety issues just like submissives do.  After all, A/anyone can shoot a gun or swing a bat.
 
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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 12:25:07 PM   
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Okie dokie I am going to weigh in here....CAN WE SAY CO-DEPENDANT RELATIONSHIP? go ahead....give it a try

This whole situation is stupid IMHO. If you didn't think it was wrong, you wouldn't have posted it in here at all. If this was a normal "beating" that so many of us would/do enjoy then we wouldve said "Hey good for you" and we would all have gone about our day. You are in a toxic relationship that has, IMHO, very little to do with D/s, and more to do with a fear that both of you have instilled in eachother. And thats even if I believe the situation which I am not too sure that I do.

This post has gone on for 4 pages and everyone is saying the same thing. The only problem is, you seem to have your subs tampons shoved so far into your ears, that you cant hear anymore (just ask her to remove them because as I see it, any "Dom" who lets their sub beat the hell out of them needs to be collared and called bitch)

Ok I think I am done for now

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 1:48:32 PM   
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The majority of people would respond the same way if given all the same circumstances. Collared and called bitch?? Suppose I lost my temper and sent her into an early grave? I read another of your posts spirited, and yes, there seems to be a similarity between you and Candisa, and that is you don't know how to keep your pie hole shut and there isn't a "DOM" in the world that can make you shut the fuck up without taking a chance of you retaliating and calling the police because you don't get your way. It's easy for you to talk shit when you are hiding behind a computer screen. 

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RE: Criminally Violent Sub - 6/11/2008 2:53:17 PM   
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OK fine, say whatever you want. But let me ask you this...

Where in my post even when I was angry fly off the handle and BEAT my Master? And here is the biggest differences between me and "Candisa"
1-I came for help on how to keep my ATTITUDE not my HANDS AND FEET in check
2-My Master has made me shut up, in fact he did it last night!!!! So the fact that you cant for fear of "Retaliation" speaks volumes about how much she respects you and how much/good of a Dom YOU are!

One thing I have learned, both my Master and myself, is that a subs actions are generally directly related to a Doms actions. check yourself! I have never and would never call the police on my Dom, NOT EVER! You dont believe me then email my Master for yourself!

So again, check yourself at the door and go get yourself a nice tall glass of shut the fuck up

Have a GREAT day.......and hey, maybe next time you get a sub, you should figure out how much they top from the bottom cause thats what she's doin if you have to "fear retaliation" or worry about manipulation.

PS
If you dont want advice you wont like, put a generic post up like "how to achieve orgasm control"

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