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Subspace - 12/18/2005 7:29:17 PM

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Hi I am a 40 year old female recently introduced to this way of life and I love it!!!!! However i had a trainer come over and wedid a lot of thing(mmm)or shall iI say he did a lot to me he tortured and whipped my pussy in many ways and well ,when w ewere done with the session he held me in his arms and cuddles me .i was discipined twice cause i dont know how to shut up only speak when given the permission
any way he proceeded to tell me he did not think I could ever hit subspace ,Reason being a cum to much i cum everytime my pussy is whipped or anything done to it .please i need feed back i need to know what you say? Ty luv2beflogged.

RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 7:40:06 PM

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Ever try using a gag of some kind?
Like a sucker or something?

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RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 8:04:52 PM

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quote:

any way he proceeded to tell me he did not think I could ever hit subspace ,Reason being a cum to much i cum everytime my pussy is whipped or anything done to it .please i need feed back i need to know what you say?

I have have multiple orgasms during cunt torture...especially if a cane is used...but each impact hit, and each orgasm pushes me further into space...but then, subspace is different for everyone...no two people will describe it the same.

Let me ask you a question.

Do YOU feel as if you are in subspace? Because quite plainly, YOU are the only one who will know it when you are...he may be able to pick up the subtle nuances from your body or reactions...but if he is just a casual play partner...I can not see this happening yet.

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RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 8:40:15 PM

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As IrishMist said, subspace is a very subjective thing. In my opinion, for a casual play Dom to tell you that you would never reach subspace is somewhat of reeckless statement, because subspace is very different for different people. Perhaps he meant that he didn't think that you would reach the level of subspace that he would find most enjoyable?

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RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 9:02:00 PM

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Too many orgasms -- what a dreadful problem to have. ;)

There is a line of thinking that suggests at one point the brain decides if it will process sensation into an orgasm, or into a trance like subspace set. Thus it is physically impossible to have an orgasm and reach subspace simultaneously. (Hey, I have no idea -- I am just reporting on an explanation I have heard repeatedly.)

If you are enjoying yourself, I would not be terribly concerned one way or another.

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RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 9:09:40 PM

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The idea that anyone can tell you what states of mind you can or can't experience for the rest of your life when you're brand new sounds like someone who's wayyyy too sure of himself and not at all interested in really giving you new experiences.

Oh and no, orgasms are not at all necessarily linked to subspace. In fact many people find orgasms take them deeper.

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RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 9:32:10 PM

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So i hear the term "subspace" often, but not entirely sure what this is
I've experienced quite a bit of bdsm play over recent months... at least weekly, and love it.
But while i've had different, intense reactions to it, i'm not sure i've achieved "subspace."
Would someone please define it for me, in terms of what it is for You?

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RE: Subspace - 12/18/2005 10:20:43 PM

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Isn't that the same as saying you'll never like butterscotch topping or you'll never learn Spanish? Since when can anyone tell you what you can and can't do in your own mind? Sounds stupid to me.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 2:13:59 AM

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Ty so much for sharing &caring,at least I have hope,when i orgasim I feel like I am floating most times because I Hve multiple climax"s.for me i feel like that is subspace.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 2:16:09 AM

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Ty for sharing and caring i have new foiund hope now.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 2:43:36 AM

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Sub space is a feeling only you know you are having. I never could find subspace for 13 years up until last year. It is something you need to allow yourself to go.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 2:49:00 AM

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That's the dumbest thing I can imagine any "dom" saying to an inexperienced newbie! Whether you eventually can or not, it's unlikely that you'll drift to any real depth during your first experience anyway, and especially not when he's actually stimulating your pussy ta boot! <sheesh>

Frankly, if you enjoyed the whipping as much as you say, I'd have little doubt you could sink into deepest sub-space. Tell your "trainer" to take his beginner's 'L' plates off and not be in such a rush to combine sexual stimulation (which you can get from ANY vanilla) with the unique physical pleasures of D/s! Better still, find another dom if that's all the imagination and "training" ethic he's got! I don't suppose he whacked on nipple clamps, too?

I find the helplessness of no-escape bondage has an excellent effect on a sub's mind (esp inexperienced newbies) once she knows she has no control or choice over her predicament - all she can do is accept and that's when she'll relax and drift off.... And when she's happily floating, I am too! There's dozens of ways to enjoy your sub (mutually) without even touching her pussy and if I were training you, I'd start by demonstrating just what control means for *both* of us. To that end, pussy pleasure is something I'd deny you (though I may tease you) until you've earnt any release. And you'd never have to hear any rubbish about not being able to find sub-space....

Focus.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 3:25:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: cravinspankin

So i hear the term "subspace" often, but not entirely sure what this is
I've experienced quite a bit of bdsm play over recent months... at least weekly, and love it.
But while i've had different, intense reactions to it, i'm not sure i've achieved "subspace."
Would someone please define it for me, in terms of what it is for You?

I'm not gonna write 3 pages on what I think sub-space is but I'll give an example or two.... I have my own theory (based solely on being the one observing) that sub-space is what allows a sub to endure without feeling real pain or constraint etc and, indeed, creates the opposite effect in her mind via endorphins or whatever.

The scariest thing about a sub who's "under", especially if she's laying down, is that she hardly seems to be alive. As long as she's not distressed or distracted, you really have to look carefully to see signs of her breathing such as chest movement. She can hardly talk and it sounds like gibberish when she tries anyway so I tend not to distract her by asking questions. Mind you, she'll swear blind she was talking normally.... lol

The other thing is time.... I've had fem/subs hogtied for over 2 hours and once released, were convinced only a few minutes had passed despite any inevitable stiffness etc. "Lost" time is also true for me and Top-space as well. But I'm still aware of how long the time was, it's just that it feels surreal and just doesn't feel like it was that long.

If you're really not sure you've been there, ask your partner what he/she saw.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 4:13:12 AM

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Likce Focus50 said, it seems pretty simple to do other things to you. Do you cum when he flogs your back or when he canes your ass? If you just have a erotically sensitive pussy there are other ways to play.

Your “problem” is not unusual. I once flogged an apprehensive woman for her first time and after I went through elaborate explanations with her about what to expect and how I wanted her to behave. Well, once I started, she went into one orgasm after another. I’m sure others can relate similar experiences.

As far as subspace, I don’t think it is that hard to define, although from the looks of the comments so far, this may spark a debate. I do think most of us readily recognize when a sub spaces. The behavior when spaced is varied, but the state seems pretty easy to distinguish.

Technically, in cold, scientific terms, what happens during spacing is a vagal response to excessive sympathetic stimulation resulting in neurogenic shock. A Freudian psychologist may say something like it is an egoless state of early childhood and a pathological condition. Ah, but these sterilized definitions negate the beauty and emotions of the whole magnificent event.

I do think there are lesser levels of spacing where the sub becomes high as the endorphins build and her tolerance increases. Our minds can block out things after a while. What happens if you smell something bad? After a while the intensity does not bother as much. What about the details of driving? We need to block out and enjoy the ride at times without worrying about exactly what is happening.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 4:44:27 AM

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Seems that there is a lot more opinions around here nthen there is accurate information. That's a balance that needs changing.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 5:31:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: MasterRobert1

Seems that there is a lot more opinions around here nthen there is accurate information. That's a balance that needs changing.

It's pretty hard to have "accurate information" about something that's entirely subjective. I haven't even seen an operational definition of "subspace" yet so really all we have to work with is self-reports.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 5:33:32 AM

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Sir ,
If I may say Sir i wish to talk further on this with you Sir
If you wish to speak to me please e-mail me [email protected] or luv2beflogged40 is my screen name on yahoo Sir .
Ty for letting me speak. to

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 5:54:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: cravinspankin

So i hear the term "subspace" often, but not entirely sure what this is
I've experienced quite a bit of bdsm play over recent months... at least weekly, and love it.
But while i've had different, intense reactions to it, i'm not sure i've achieved "subspace."
Would someone please define it for me, in terms of what it is for You?

Subspace can you control it?

Subspace?

Not talking subspace or sub drop, what is it?

Subspace or just fantasyland?

Subspace safe?

Subspace or subdrop anyone?

Subspace? (2)

A thing called subspace

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 6:22:25 AM

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LA, great links and I did realize this thing has been beat to death. As usual you take the time and energy to provide us with valuable previous posts.

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RE: Subspace - 12/19/2005 11:48:55 AM

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Seems that there is a lot more opinions around here nthen there is accurate information. That's a balance that needs changing.

Now who woulda thunk public Forums could be used by just anyone to post their opinion, ay?

The thing I'd like to see changed is the number of people who post without bothering to address the actual topic!

However, as one who doesn't believe I know it all, I'm looking forward to any forth-coming "accurate information" from you....

Focus.

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