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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Yes well, now that I understand your idea of an "attack" I can see your point of view. 

Errr no, you cant see my point.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

As an American I am SO embarrassed by this.  At one time- we stood for truth and values.   Now we don't.

Anything that the military uses in war- can trickle over to civilian use meaning YOU.     The constitution has been so debased- that one would barely recognize the USA.

He who lives by the sword- dies by the sword.


.....we have gone so far off the edge- in the totality of our actions, that- I can understand why Americans are hated the world over.

When the private banker take over is complete- we too will be a country with no future- no middle class; ....which could lead to a world that no one wants to live in.

We screw countries left and right.  We con them out of there wealth- make them into peasants- and now that the middle class in America has gotten slothful, sloppy, lazy, dumb, distracted, the Illuminatti are making their move to take out the middle class once and for all.

The government must be accountable-   but it isnt.  


We squandered our countries future. We let it happen. 

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Errr no, you cant see my point. Sanity made a point about not having sympathy for the 9/11 planners, Khalid Sheik Mohammed was probably the main architect of that. I have posted before that I dont care if he lives or dies as long as its done via due process.

My point on waterboarding, was and is, that its torture, and like i say, many both inside and outside the US agree, including ex members of the Bush administration, such as Richard Armitage.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Prior to the utterly newfound ideal of full constitutional rights for nonuniformed combatants captured on the field of battle and held overseas, the only "due process" they had coming to them under the Geneva treaty was execution.

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And not only  are these men nonuniformed combatants but they're the architects of 9/11. At the time they were waterboarded they had names, they had phone numbers and addresses, and they knew all the plans.

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And not only  are these men nonuniformed combatants but they're the architects of 9/11. At the time they were waterboarded they had names, they had phone numbers and addresses, and they knew all the plans.

Actually, something like 90% ended up proven innocent. And of the about a dozen or so who may actually have had some involvement with terrorism, we will never be able to prove it due to the utter lack of due process.

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ORIGINAL: Eigenaar

America is founded by criminals/racists/terrorists and lead by them since.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

So, due process... hmm. Looks like these guys got off easy to me, as they're still alive. Legally, apaparently, it wasn't torture else Obama would prosecute.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Yes well, now that I understand your idea of an "attack" I can see your point of view. 

Errr no, you cant see my point.

Oh excuse me, I stand corrected again. Thank you so much. I don't know where the world would be without people who are always right. But surely the most valuable ones of all must be those like yourself, who can read minds.
 
K.
 
 

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ORIGINAL: ZhuRenDianandted

i am completely appalled at the Governmental response to terrorist activities.
i am shocked at the beheading of that terrorist journalist.
i am disgusted for all of the detainees that were killed during interrogation,
i am horrified at all the prisoners that were shot for espionage, for being engaged in combat without uniform or any way of determining them to be military.
i am sad and distressed at the group of detainees who have been carted to a secret location and shot dead for lack of cooperation.
my stomach is turning at how many detainees have been dropped from helicopters without a parachute to soften their compatriots.

What??? nobody died during the waterboarding? No reports of murder, execution, accidental deaths or starvation? the guy with the bug in the box not only did not get painfully stung, but did not even have a heart murmur?

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America is founded by criminals/racists/terrorists and lead by them since.

Shame on you. This is far from the truth, even for those who disagreed with Bush.

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My question is what does that say about what we have become as a country when we use legal maneuvering to justify something that has, in the past, been against every principle this country stood for.

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Actually, something like 90% ended up proven innocent. And of the about a dozen or so who may actually have had some involvement with terrorism, we will never be able to prove it due to the utter lack of due process.

You're mixing numbers. The 90th percentile that you're talking about never underwent water boarding. They were indeed held without due process. At present, there are only 2 or 3 known to have undergone that particular treatment.

Those 2 or 3 will will never see freedom again.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Saving untold numbers of innocent men, women and children from further terrorist attacks is a principle.

In the judgment of many, a principle which balances out subjecting  such terrorist planners and leaders as these three to being exposed to harmless little bugs or even waterboarding - which is exactly why these things were done.

At what point do we decide to win a war, and at what point do we decide to lay down and die and to allow others to die in order for us to say we fought more fairly than terrorists?

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Prior to the left having granted American constitutional rights to everyone on the planet (which is absurd), enemy combatants caught out of uniform could be treated as spies and saboteurs, and were therefore subject to being summarily executed under the rules of war.

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So your position is warm milk and cookies for captured terrorist planners, regardless of the consequences?

Foot rubs, hot tubs. The works?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Prior to the left having granted American constitutional rights to everyone on the planet (which is absurd), enemy combatants caught out of uniform could be treated as spies and saboteurs, and were therefore subject to being summarily executed under the rules of war.