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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 12:53:10 PM

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I have to add that I am extremely turned on by power exchange between two bi or gay men.... though my preference is always towards the Dominant of those two men. I have had a few opportunities to watch a male Dominant with a male submissive and its hugely powerful and much more ruthless than anything I have ever witnessed with a male and female.

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I know right?! AND add to that them being both dressed in leathers........holy fuck somebody videotape that shit for me.

I'll admit it, I've had to leave the room during scenes like that so I could go get a smoke. It's just too fucking sexy.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:00:08 PM

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It is not comparable because you say your dominant partner is allowed to flirt with women but not with men because the latter would endanger your marriage. This is hypocrite.

Methinks you need a dictionary refresher. What you are describing is incongruence, not hypocrisy.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:03:11 PM

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I think you misunderstood me.
To give a parallel...

I did not misunderstand you and your parallel depicts an incomparable situation.

How is it incomparable?

It is not comparable because you say your dominant partner is allowed to flirt with women but not with men because the latter would endanger your marriage. This is hypocrite. You then tell me it is not hypocrite like it would not be hypocrite to have eating from a dog bowl as a hard limit. If you do not understand why these two things are incomparable I don't think I can help you here. I like to be taken seriously. I bet there are enough users willing to make this clear to you. That you imply I am being intolerant because of what I have said in this thread is the height of hypocrisy.

I didn't say or imply that you were being intolerant. Please show me where I said this.

And no, I don't understand why the two are incomparable. Like I said, to me they both depict the same thing - some things turn me on while other, similar things, turn me off.

You say my fiance is "allowed" to do certain things...I don't "allow" him to do anything. He is the man he is, and I choose to commit to a relationship with that men. He fit my criteria, so to say. Nobody is entitled to a relationship with me. It's not like applying for a job or apartment. I will commit to a relationship with someone IF he is sexually attractive to me. If he is interested in sexual things that turn me off, I have absolutely no obligation to commit to him or stay with him.

If my fiance were bi, and he wanted to flirt with men, you'd have a point. He isn't bi. I'm not preventing him from doing anything. I wouldn't feel right dating a bi guy on the "condition" he suppress his bisexuality. I think that everyone has the right to their own sexual preferences and expression, with whoever they want to share their sexuality with.

Including myself.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:03:30 PM

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I have no idea whatsoever what this is about really. I do not feel offended, I do not consider myself gay/bisexual and did not profile as such. You think all posters are bisexual because the subject is? Giving ones opinion and pointing others to shortcomings in debating is considered picking on someone? Earlier you complained about hijacking this thread, you are doing the same with your post attacking me with false arguments, if the former was a hijack at all and speaking of prejudice and hypocrisy. Using four-letter words will not impress me, by the way.

I don't honestly care what impresses you or not. I never once called you gay or bi-sexual. And what false arguments are you talking about? I did not post anything close to an argument. And your making accusations by assuming that I think everyone in this thread is bi-sexual. I posted my opinion that you are unwarrantably picking on someone, instead of having a calm rational debate. And I never once complained about hijacking this thread, I simply stated I was starting a new thread so I would NOT hijack this thread. And last time I checked, continually throwing out crys of "hypocrisy" and "prejudice" is not debating anything.

But, nice way of clouding the waters. You have yet to actually address the topic of this thread.

Throwing four-letter words is not debating anything. The false argument you ask about, as if you don't know what you say and this has to be repeated for you to have a clue, is that you state I pick on another user instead of debate. This user falsely assumes I do not understand her and comes with incomparable situations and claims not being hypocrite while it is obvious she is. Should I just say she is right according to you. Why don't you tell me I am right instead? This costst you more? Why are you telling me nobody picks on bisexuals/gays when I did not utter a word about this? Where is your rational debate? Show it to me!

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:04:15 PM

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It is not comparable because you say your dominant partner is allowed to flirt with women but not with men because the latter would endanger your marriage. This is hypocrite.

Methinks you need a dictionary refresher. What you are describing is incongruence, not hypocrisy.

Heh. Not that I'm agreeing that it is incongruent thinking, but yes, if he wanted to make the argument, that would be the proper one to make.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:13:54 PM

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Also one thing I want to add. I enjoy giving oral sex to men (well, to the man I'm with). Does that make me a "hypocrite" for not enjoying giving oral sex to women?

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:14:23 PM

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Heh. Not that I'm agreeing that it is incongruent thinking, but yes, if he wanted to make the argument, that would be the proper one to make.

Well, it is.

This is not to say it's "right" or "wrong", it's just imbalanced in this instance (as most everyone's preferences are). You'd feel your relationships threatened (based on your likes) by one human doing something that another human could do without you getting that feeling. I guess the best way to say it is that it makes sense for you to have those thoughts...although they're still incongruent. 'Tis the nature of being human.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:14:49 PM

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@Sunnyfey: If only Kenyon wrote gay romance, right?

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:15:37 PM

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Also one thing I want to add. I enjoy giving oral sex to men (well, to the man I'm with). Does that make me a "hypocrite" for not enjoying giving oral sex to women?

Depends which women you talk to and whether they think they can use that potential guilt-trip to get some good cunnilingus out of you.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:16:50 PM

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It is not comparable because you say your dominant partner is allowed to flirt with women but not with men because the latter would endanger your marriage. This is hypocrite.

Methinks you need a dictionary refresher. What you are describing is incongruence, not hypocrisy.

Or you should get rid of yours. It is also discriminatory besides incongruence but also hypocrisy. I looked into several dictionaries and some name incongruity describing hypocrisy.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:19:06 PM

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Heh. Not that I'm agreeing that it is incongruent thinking, but yes, if he wanted to make the argument, that would be the proper one to make.

Well, it is.

This is not to say it's "right" or "wrong", it's just imbalanced in this instance (as most everyone's preferences are). You'd feel your relationships threatened (based on your likes) by one human doing something that another human could do without you getting that feeling. I guess the best way to say it is that it makes sense for you to have those thoughts...although they're still incongruent. 'Tis the nature of being human. though.

Sooo...does that mean it's incongruent for men with a Penthouse subscription to get turned off by Bear Magazine or midget porn? After all, they're all naked humans

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

Also one thing I want to add. I enjoy giving oral sex to men (well, to the man I'm with). Does that make me a "hypocrite" for not enjoying giving oral sex to women?

Depends which women you talk to and whether they think they can use that potential guilt-trip to get some good cunnilingus out of you.

LOL

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:22:11 PM

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Or you should get rid of yours. It is also discriminatory besides incongruence but also hypocrisy. I looked into several dictionaries and some name incongruity describing hypocrisy.

Really? Show me.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy

Nope, not there. Not even listed under synonyms:

http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/hypocrisy

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

Hmm. Not there either. Weird.

http://www.wordwebonline.com/search.pl?w=hypocrisy

Or there.

What universe's dictionaries were you referencing again?

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:23:45 PM

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I have no idea whatsoever what this is about really. I do not feel offended, I do not consider myself gay/bisexual and did not profile as such. You think all posters are bisexual because the subject is? Giving ones opinion and pointing others to shortcomings in debating is considered picking on someone? Earlier you complained about hijacking this thread, you are doing the same with your post attacking me with false arguments, if the former was a hijack at all and speaking of prejudice and hypocrisy. Using four-letter words will not impress me, by the way.

I don't honestly care what impresses you or not. I never once called you gay or bi-sexual. And what false arguments are you talking about? I did not post anything close to an argument. And your making accusations by assuming that I think everyone in this thread is bi-sexual. I posted my opinion that you are unwarrantably picking on someone, instead of having a calm rational debate. And I never once complained about hijacking this thread, I simply stated I was starting a new thread so I would NOT hijack this thread. And last time I checked, continually throwing out crys of "hypocrisy" and "prejudice" is not debating anything.

But, nice way of clouding the waters. You have yet to actually address the topic of this thread.

Throwing four-letter words is not debating anything. The false argument you ask about, as if you don't know what you say and this has to be repeated for you to have a clue, is that you state I pick on another user instead of debate. This user falsely assumes I do not understand her and comes with incomparable situations and claims not being hypocrite while it is obvious she is. Should I just say she is right according to you. Why don't you tell me I am right instead? This costst you more? Why are you telling me nobody picks on bisexuals/gays when I did not utter a word about this? Where is your rational debate? Show it to me!

The four letter word I said was not even in reference to you, and should in no way have ever offended you, and was not making a point at all in the "debate" since it referenced what the other poster liked to do....So my use of a four letter word is entirely moot in this conversation.

You are also being condescending with your "if you don't know what you say and this has to be repeated for you to have a clue" comment. Besides the fact that me saying you were picking on her, was not an argument, but a statement made by me.

I never once stated or made any allusion to "nobody picking on bi-sexuals or gays", so I'm not entirely sure where you came up with that little tid bit.

And I have yet to see you debate anything. You are still only throwing the words "hypocrite" and "prejudice". Those are buzzwords in this conversation, they have made no salient points, and you have not defended any thing your have brought up, you just keeping calling people hypocrites or saying their points are illogical. You have yet to state WHY the points are illogical. So you have yet to debate anything.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:23:50 PM

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Sooo...does that mean it's incongruent for men with a Penthouse subscription to get turned off by Bear Magazine or midget porn? After all, they're all naked humans

It is indeed!

Wait a second and I'll ask Eigenaar to have sex with me. Presuming he's had sex with someone who's asked before, the moment he turns me down we'll have proof he's a "hypocrite" and then we can just ignore any point he makes henceforth on principle.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:24:55 PM

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It is also discriminatory

You're darn skippy it's discriminatory. Want to know who else I've discriminated against?

Women
Men under 26
Men over 45
Men who do not speak fluent English
Men who use illegal drugs
Men who are shorter than 5'9
Men who weigh less than 160 lb
Redheaded men
Submissive men
Polyamorous men
Men seeking a TPE slave
Men with no education
Men who dress and speak like "gangstas"
Gay men (well, okay, I haven't discriminated against them...But they discriminate against me!)

And that, my dear, is the shortlist. Now go right ahead and say I'm wrong for discriminating, how my pussy is public property to anyone who wants a shot at it, whether or not they actually do anything for me, sexually.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:27:06 PM

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Wow.... I leave for a couple of hours and come back to find 4 pages ..... but its not looking good. I think I may well abandon this thread and go and join the other one thats just started.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:29:34 PM

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Sooo...does that mean it's incongruent for men with a Penthouse subscription to get turned off by Bear Magazine or midget porn? After all, they're all naked humans

It is indeed!

Wait a second and I'll ask Eigenaar to have sex with me. Presuming he's had sex with someone who's asked before, the moment he turns me down we'll have proof he's a "hypocrite" and then we can just ignore any point he makes henceforth on principle.

Brilliant.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:31:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella
I think you misunderstood me.
To give a parallel...

I did not misunderstand you and your parallel depicts an incomparable situation.

How is it incomparable?

It is not comparable because you say your dominant partner is allowed to flirt with women but not with men because the latter would endanger your marriage. This is hypocrite. You then tell me it is not hypocrite like it would not be hypocrite to have eating from a dog bowl as a hard limit. If you do not understand why these two things are incomparable I don't think I can help you here. I like to be taken seriously. I bet there are enough users willing to make this clear to you. That you imply I am being intolerant because of what I have said in this thread is the height of hypocrisy.

I didn't say or imply that you were being intolerant. Please show me where I said this.

And no, I don't understand why the two are incomparable. Like I said, to me they both depict the same thing - some things turn me on while other, similar things, turn me off.

You say my fiance is "allowed" to do certain things...I don't "allow" him to do anything. He is the man he is, and I choose to commit to a relationship with that men. He fit my criteria, so to say. Nobody is entitled to a relationship with me. It's not like applying for a job or apartment. I will commit to a relationship with someone IF he is sexually attractive to me. If he is interested in sexual things that turn me off, I have absolutely no obligation to commit to him or stay with him.

If my fiance were bi, and he wanted to flirt with men, you'd have a point. He isn't bi. I'm not preventing him from doing anything. I wouldn't feel right dating a bi guy on the "condition" he suppress his bisexuality. I think that everyone has the right to their own sexual preferences and expression, with whoever they want to share their sexuality with.

Including myself.

You ask where you imply I am intolerant. I am not a parrot, you can simply scroll to read what you said. We can furthermore go on about this but I have the impression you would stick to the image of yourself you seem to want to stick to. You keep making comparisons that say nothing about the matter and you keep being incongruent. This post of yours is contradictory to earlier posts in which you said you do not want to know about certain sexual preferences. And it is you who in other words said your fiancé is allowed to do certain things.

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:33:28 PM

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Wow.... I leave for a couple of hours and come back to find 4 pages ..... but its not looking good. I think I may well abandon this thread and go and join the other one thats just started.

Noo! Come back! We need more naked avatars!

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RE: Would you take on a bi Master/Dom? - 9/15/2009 1:34:42 PM

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Er...something tells me I'm getting trolled here.

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