tazzygirl
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Now you've been reading what I'm saying and you also should have a good idea where I stand on personal responsibility, but make a sound point like you did here and not a manipulative one. It assist in your credibility.
Both of my sons had sons out of wedlock, both are doing as I would have expected. This made the Nana very happy (Papa too, I might add).
But that isn't the point I was making early, at least when there are females that might be using abortion as a birth control. It's the what is good for the goose is good for the gander analogy you know.
You're a good girl Tazzy I'm not upset with you, I just have come to expect more of you.
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Men have no part until roughly 9 months later... if they are true men.
Don't you be tossing that manipulative fucking horseshit around in my thread. This true men bullshit belongs in third grade, not in an adult discussion.
And yes men should be responsible for their actions, I'm not arguing that and in fact have done well teaching my sons as much, but if we want this fucking country to be all fair and equal it goes both ways dammit. Men get the fucking shaft in this child care crap and it's not just about the money for the father, but that is often enough all it is about for our dear old Uncle Sam.
So cut the shit and slip your feet into both sets of shoes and examine it from both sides of the coin if you want your point in this debate to maintain any credibility.
Master Bull
i raised mine alone... took that responsibility upon myself... never looked for anyone for help except the two years it took me to graduate and pass the nursing boards.
i said "true men" not as a manipulation, but as an honest opinion of men who ditch and dodge their responsibilities. the "if you play, you pay" goes both ways. males abandoning their sperm then hiding behind the laws to avoid their responsibilities to the child they helped create does not equal "men" to me at all.
Master Bull
you may be surprised on my thoughts concerning abostion as birth control. its something i am stead fast again. i made that mistake of getting pregnant, decided not to compound it with a marriage, and took that responsibility upon myself. thankfully, while the father was male, his parents were a strong support for both myself and my son. father and son are just now beginning to build a relationship of sorts, 24 years later.
but, if we start legislating who can and cannot obtain an abortion, then the risk is that, eventually, the ability to obtain one at all may disappear. Why should a woman have to admit to the embarrassment of retelling a rape story... or an incest incident? Some women prefer not to report these things. Their reasoning is their own. Not much different than a man being raped, and struggling to forget instead of reporting. men have the added bonus of not having to worry about an"oops" (if that can be called a bonus). i dont approve of not reporting a crime, but i can certainly understand the reluctance considering the stigma behind those two.
not sure of any of this makes sense. women's rights is a hot topic because it does contain talks about abortions. i find it sad that when an abortion occurs "naturally" people talk about it being "god's decision". Was it god's decision that she became pregnant to begin with? if we take the religious argument, god gave man free will... that included women too... lol.. or at least some of the women.
considering the society's embracement of adult themes... porn.. alternative lifestyle... nudity in films, books, magazines... the ads on tv for birth control... the push for sexual freedom not only among the adults but also among teens... added with a thousand other mixed messages from society... and its no wonder why these men and women dont "just keep their legs closed or in their pants".
sexual freedom can be exhilarating... it also comes with a ton of responsibility.
(edited for those pesky typos)
< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 3/18/2010 7:29:35 PM >
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