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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 12:31:46 PM   
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I've asked you this before....what do you mean by vanilla??? No one has ever given me a definitve answer. I have no idea what "vanilla" is. I simply enjoy being wiht a dominant personality man whether he's ever heard of bdsm or not. I'm attracted to his personality not his kink.

If his personality suddenly changed then I'd wonder who hit him over the head with a 2x4 and get him a psych evaluation since a sudden change in personality usually means something is wrong.


littlewonder,

What is nilla in a male. Well that will bring a cascade of remarks of agreement of negative comments. I would see a vanilla male as one that would never tend to force his views or wants on his fem mate. He might well desire to see her lips giving oral service to his cock but would be very hesitant to bring it up. Onee who would feel it necessary to get her input on even minor considerations. Sexual positions rarely venture away from missionary and the list could go on but that should suffice.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 1:07:12 PM   
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Why am I here?

It's cheaper than the monkey cages.

Grins
Plus they can't throw poo through a computer screen.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 1:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

First let me clarify that by "here" I refer to the path of D/s and bdsm!

I have been on the path for more decades than I care to comment on and certainly longer than many newcomers have been on this earth. While I have taken Emeritus status I still come on daily to keep an eye on the path as a whole, and thus the point of this post.

Over the last 10 years the composition of path walkers has changed so dramatically, that when compared to yesteryear places like CollarMe have become little more than kinky dating sites; albiet with things like posting abilities. The number of teens coming onto CM is astounding to me. All claiming to be submissive etc. So my question or query is this if you have the intestinal fortitude to address it...............Why do you walk the path?

CP

Not submissive, but I'm going to answer anyway.  (I think this would have been a great question for anybody.)

I'm not especially sure that what I do is something that I would refer to as a path.  If anything, I travel both paths.  Both of which make Me happy in different ways.  Thankfully, I'm in a position of being able to enjoy both and both bring something significant to Me in My life.

Truthfully, when My pet first introduced Me to this site (please don't confuse the boys, as I'm not referring to clip), I laughed at the very idea.  I very specifically laughed at the name of the place.  It made Me think very much of what you allude to in your original.  That it would be filled with a bunch of people who were more fantasy than reality, where folks were converging because BDSM was somehow now hip and cool.  While it's true that there is that element here, those who have never really been involved in any of this away from the screen, there were people who were doing it in their real lives, too.  That's probably why I stayed  "here".  I've been lucky enough to meet quite a few of them over the years.

Like you, CP, I've been doing this for a long time and the truth is, things aren't the way they used to be.  It's terribly rare these days for someone to come to their first munch when they haven't been on the internet first.  In a sense, that means all that goes with it.  With a mixture of ideas that come from both good and bad sources.  It's not like they get their first exposure only from people really living this life.  They bring with them the nonsense that they've heard, too.  When there are fewer people with the physical world part of this, the fantasy of it all overtakes the place.

A few years back, I was at a private event with a number of lifestyle folks who came from several states.  I was sitting with a group of people, one of which I very much admired.  A much senior leatherman than Me, who, due to not revealing his identity, I'll just call him Sir M.  During the afternoon, while we were sitting around eating BBQ, the topic of CM came up.  He asked Me why I waste My time here.  That it was full of wanna-bes and nothing but a lost cause.

Later that evening, I was given a very humbling honor.  I was asked to present a vest.  It had belonged to a man who had passed away who had been very active in the community before I had moved there.  I had only heard stories about him, but his widow had wanted Me to do this.  I said no at first, but she insisted.

After the ceremony was over, Sir M quietly walked up to Me.  There were tears in his eyes and his voice was choked up.  He looked Me dead in the eye and told Me that maybe he had been wrong.  He called Me the next generation of leather that day, and I never forgot it.

I don't tell that story very often, CP, but that's why I'm here.


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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 1:13:52 PM   
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I would see a vanilla male as one that would never tend to force his views or wants on his fem mate.


I see it as someone who is so insecure in his own views that he has to force her to agree with him...agreeing or disagreeing with a "view" says nothing about an "action". I can disagree with someone and still comply with what they desire me to do...

As for "forcing" his wants on me, well if he has to force me into anything, he isn't a dominant, he is an abuser... just my opinion

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He might well desire to see her lips giving oral service to his cock but would be very hesitant to bring it up.

So a major part of being vanilla is being sexually communicative? Vanilla men can be very communicative about their sexual needs, as can submissive women




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Onee who would feel it necessary to get her input on even minor considerations. Sexual positions rarely venture away from missionary and the list could go on but that should suffice.

This is about "topping", not about "dominance", dominance is more than sexual

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 1:57:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

Why am I here?

It's cheaper than the monkey cages.

Grins
Plus they can't throw poo through a computer screen.

They do try lol


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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 2:12:51 PM   
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They sure do, which only adds to my pleasure.
We are such strange apes.



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What did Beck say:
"In the time of chimpanzee's, I was a monkey."


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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 2:36:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I see it as someone who is so insecure in his own views that he has to force her to agree with him...agreeing or disagreeing with a "view" says nothing about an action". I can disagree with someone and still comply with what they desire me to do... As for "forcing" his wants on me, well if he has to force me into anything, he isn't a dominant, he is an abuser... just my opinion


How convenient. After MercnBeth's last party I'm pretty sure I have give up my vanilla tag.... just in time to become an abuser.

@LadyPact
He called Me the next generation of leather that day, and I never forgot it.
And in part you have no passed some of that on to me and others by your presence here. Thank you.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 2:55:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
I see it as someone who is so insecure in his own views that he has to force her to agree with him...agreeing or disagreeing with a "view" says nothing about an action". I can disagree with someone and still comply with what they desire me to do... As for "forcing" his wants on me, well if he has to force me into anything, he isn't a dominant, he is an abuser... just my opinion


How convenient. After MercnBeth's last party I'm pretty sure I have give up my vanilla tag.... just in time to become an abuser.

@LadyPact
He called Me the next generation of leather that day, and I never forgot it.
And in part you have no passed some of that on to me and others by your presence here. Thank you.


If you and yours are happy with the entire forcing things... happy for you


Note: In my reply I said If he FORCED his wants on ME I would find that abusive... I did not say it was abusive to everyone... for ME it would be, and I wouldn't be with someone like that

Chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry make Neapolitan -

I was replying to someone that stated that a dominant forces his views and wants off on to a submissive, and every other way is "vanilla".. and if you agree with him... well you do, we all have opinions

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 3:03:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527
@LadyPact
He called Me the next generation of leather that day, and I never forgot it.
And in part you have no passed some of that on to me and others by your presence here. Thank you.

That means a lot to Me, Jeff.  Thank you very much.


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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 3:35:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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I would see a vanilla male as one that would never tend to force his views or wants on his fem mate.


I see it as someone who is so insecure in his own views that he has to force her to agree with him...agreeing or disagreeing with a "view" says nothing about an "action". I can disagree with someone and still comply with what they desire me to do...

As for "forcing" his wants on me, well if he has to force me into anything, he isn't a dominant, he is an abuser... just my opinion

quote:

He might well desire to see her lips giving oral service to his cock but would be very hesitant to bring it up.

So a major part of being vanilla is being sexually communicative? Vanilla men can be very communicative about their sexual needs, as can submissive women




quote:

Onee who would feel it necessary to get her input on even minor considerations. Sexual positions rarely venture away from missionary and the list could go on but that should suffice.

This is about "topping", not about "dominance", dominance is more than sexual



What she said pretty much covers how I was going to reply.

I'm still no closer to a definition for vanilla and btw..missionary sex?? Imo I can't think of any position that could possibly be more dominant...a man on top of a woman, bearing all his weight down on her, pushing into her, holding her down, body pinned down. If that's not dominant then I really have no idea what is.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 4:09:28 PM   
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About 10 years ago I was playing trivia games in a CompuServe adult chat room. When the game was over many went to a chat room called the Lifestyle Inn. I went, and watched, and observed what was happening. I was intrigued. I spent the next 8 months reading everything I could about BDSM, M/s, D/s, and everything in between. After my research I realized that this was what I was missing in my life. However, circumstances dictated that my wants be put aside and tucked into a dark corner.

Fast forward 4 years. Circumstances changed. I was free to discover the real time community I knew existed and did. I went to my very first munch. I attended my very first kinky event and I loved it all!!!!

Now to the present and to answering CP's question. I walk this path because it makes me happy. I have never been so happy or had so much fun in my whole life. Every day is eagerly greeted. My duties for him include being best friend, companion, lover, housekeeper, cook, as well as adoring submissive. He is the center of my universe and that is just the way we like it. [/quot

peppermint,

I remember those days on cs with good thoughts and also those days as you being JT's peppermint, good thing come to those who wait.......good on you girl and thanks for your input.

CP

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 5:45:58 PM   
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I'm still no closer to a definition for vanilla and btw..missionary sex?? Imo I can't think of any position that could possibly be more dominant...a man on top of a woman, bearing all his weight down on her, pushing into her, holding her down, body pinned down. If that's not dominant then I really have no idea what is.


True... I have been in "missionary" that was anything but vanilla... when someone's full weight is on you and it feels like your ribs might burst... can't breath... that is definitely NOT vanilla to me.. it is yummy though

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 5:59:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

So my question or query is this if you have the intestinal fortitude to address it...............Why do you walk the path?

CP


I don't know about "intestinal fortitude" but I will give you as honest an answer as I can at this time.

When I started to explore "this" it had less to do with bdsm and more with D/s...the power/control dynamics within the relationship felt right for me.  Most of the time, I would take the s-type position within a relationship.  Sometimes that would change, depending on my partner and the energy.  I didn't realize that some of the activities I enjoyed prior to exploring the kinkier aspect of these relationships fell under the bdsm umbrella.  They were just things that turned me on.

I didn't know what a dom/me or top was not to mention what a sub/bottom was.  I just knew that insofar as the activities went, I enjoyed being the reciever and later, the giver...depending on the partner.

I don't follow any "bdsm or D/s path"...I do what feels right for me.  For now, that means not being in a relationship...D/s or otherwise.  I don't need bdsm or D/s to be part of a relationship dynamic for me...I like it but I don't need it.  If and when I decide I'm in the right mindset for a relationship, I'm sure kink and, to some degree, D/s will be part of the dynamic but it won't be because I'm needing to make some grand step on the path of bdsm glory.  It will be because it pleases me.

I'm selfish like that.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 6:36:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince


WD,

Now that is candor!...........but I will bet if you really try you can identify the mental issue that brings you back and keeps you here, albeit solo.

Thanks for your thgoughts.

CP


I return because my exploration of BDSM played a large part in molding me into the woman I am, and I like her a lot.

In truth, I don't think that I really started living, until I stepped out on my own at 30 and allowed myself the right to explore what I wanted and needed to be happy. Up until that point, everything I had done had been what was expected of me by parents, the church and my husband.

It is kind of a cliche', but I was one of those women who had never had an orgasm until she was 30. Despite having been married and given birth to 4 children.

The day I stumbled upon BDSM, I went in search of how to experience it. Within a week I was at a munch, that night I was at my first playparty. In a month I was incorporating our group as a Non-profit and renting a place for us to play in. That was more than 12 years ago, and as far as I know the group still exists. It felt good to be a part of something, and still feels good to know that I had a hand in its birth and growth.

There is really no way to express exactly how shy I was then. I lacked confidence in myself, but I made up for it with an insatiable desire to learn, and to experience things.

I did more the first year of my exploration of BDSM than I did the entire 30 years of my life prior to that.

Munches, play parties, training under female dominants to learn technique, attending Leather Leadership conferences, being collared, learning to love and share and give as a member of a poly household, meeting authors, attending Lord's of Leather Mardi Gras Balls and attending their party at a Gay Leather bar, organizing events, tesifying in court, and throwing myself into the experience of it all has been an amazing journey for me. It opened up a world of life experiences for me, that I never knew before had existed.

This doesn't even cover the intimate, personal growth where I learned how to stand up for myself. To set limits, and accept that it was ok to demand those limits were respected.

I return, because this is where I grew up. No, not on CM, but on my path of personal growth and fulfillment.



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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 6:59:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527


How convenient. After MercnBeth's last party I'm pretty sure I have give up my vanilla tag.... just in time to become an abuser.



Welcome to the dark side. Don't drink the water.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 7:03:49 PM   
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AWWWW damn, and here I thought you to be a kneeling groveling, begging puddle of fem.


haha~ I am definitely open to meeting an outstanding, liberal-minded, stable dominant, I can not tell a lie.  But it is not my life's mission, if it happens he will have to come to me and be nothing short of extraordinary.


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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 7:05:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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AWWWW damn, and here I thought you to be a kneeling groveling, begging puddle of fem.


haha~ I am definitely open to meeting an outstanding, liberal-minded, stable dominant, I can not tell a lie.  But it is not my life's mission, if it happens he will have to come to me and be nothing short of extraordinary.



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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 7:07:07 PM   
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YES!  'zactly.  Sometimes the sub in me comes out.

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 8:27:31 PM   
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Ok I'm here because one day out of boredom I logged on to see what CM was up to and Jeff wouldn't let me leave!


laurell3

Tis a free board in a free site and in a free country so I guess you can put anything you wish in a thread. In my mview however one might spend their time as well as others in a thread to lend a serious contemplation to the thread.

CP

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RE: Why are you here? - 7/15/2010 8:30:37 PM   
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And again I go on the record comparing self knowledge of being submissive or dominant to self knowledge of being homosexual. You don't have to have sexual experience to know who you are attracted to. I was heterosexual before I started dating boys, it was that knowledge that had me date boys and not girls. I didn't experiment dating girls to know I wasn't into them sexually.

Now do you need life experience to be good at relationships? Hell yes. But that's a totally different topic.

And I'm on CMe for the forums.


Des,

forums huh! at last a link of agreement.

CP

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