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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 8:08:56 PM   
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Darn it, Chulain.  The first time I sort of heard the word onions said I did this...


Now you had to say it again... <whimpers>...I love onions with Chinese food. 

Pepper.  Steak. 

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 8:13:22 PM   
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Darn it, Chulain.  The first time I sort of heard the word onions said I did this...


Now you had to say it again... <whimpers>...I love onions with Chinese food. 

Pepper.  Steak. 

"Onions" with Chinese "food." I get it.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 8:42:12 PM   
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KeepMeUnderneath - as some of the intelligent women here already have said, your anger is not attractive - but it is very understandable. And you hit an important point that isn't often acknowledged for being as important as I believe it is:

ALL relationships are about MUTUAL SAFISFACTION OF EMOTIONAL NEEDS.

For D's and s's, those needs are different. But they are real, on both sides. You have a good match when the same action or interaction can satisfy the needs of BOTH parties in the relationship. Maybe not always simoultaneously - but, in the end, over time, there has to be a worthy balance, as the relationship otherwise will die.

I also think that this is indeed the very reason for most relationships going "sour" - the parties plain simply do not understand that
1. they must satisfy the most important emotional needs of their partner;
2. their partner must saitisfy their own most important emotional needs.

If the reciprocacy in this is not nurtured, the relationship will develop into abuse, physical or mental, and it can soon be "spoken for" whether or not it is also formally dissolved.

The first challenge in this is to know self well enough to understand what those most important emotional needs actually are... This is NOT simple! And it is not taught in school. I personally think this is a process that takes at least 40 years for an intelligent human, longer for most others. (Too bad that no one talks about those issues with their parents - it could prevent a lot of meaningless duplication of errors.)

But it is equally important to comprehend that this is NOT just a game of satisfying one's own emotional needs! It is goes both ways - so, without truly understanding the other party's most important emotional needs, the fiasco is very predictable.

Women are, by nature, way superior to men when it comes to "getting it" when we talk about emotions. Most men ignore their own right half of the brain, and a big chunk of them use mostly the head on the penis to control their actions. Even stupid women pick up on this lack of emotional maturity and they respond the way they are programmed by Nature to respond: they just want nothing to do with it! It does not matter if they can explain it, so a man can understand it - the result is still the same: rejection.

I do not subscribe to BS like "born supremacy", whether defined by gender, race, money, or otherwise. There is nothing wrong in being a man - or a woman. But it is unfortunate when the two do not understand each other BECAUSE they are different, and very few take the time and make the effort to actually LEARN about that!

In a D/s relationship you add another dimension - and it certainly complicates things. But the principles remain the same.

In our society, however, it is even more unfortunate, because everything has been centered around men exploiting women as sex objects. It is totally OK in commercial advertising to use images of sexually attractive women who are posing/inviting in a way most men connect with, directly, through the brain in their "lower" head. But it is illegal for a mother to nurse her baby in public! If this is NOT resulting in men getting their minds totally screwed up and perverted in regards to how to deal with women, on terms that make sense also to the women, then I want to know what is in place to mitigate that ridiculous media-controlled madness...

"Feminism" and its main elements, as seen from society's side, were not to create balance between the sexes, but to allow women to take over those functions that already were performed by men, often in a controlling sense. In order to prove they were "equal", women strive to act like men. And they are not very good at that... But this must leave the modern media-brainwashed man with the impression that there really is no serious difference between the genders, except that women are attractive to men and are pictured everywhere as legitimate objects for any man's urges.

I don't even know all the negative words I feel like associating with this - but I see it as a very real reason for so many men to be totally confused about how to deal with women.

And neither gender has learned anything from their parents, from the school system, or from society about how the other gender "functions" and "thinks". Even a sadistic Domme is still a woman also, first of all! Her needs for domination and inflicting pain on someone else is not changed by her gender - it is added on to it! But these women are completely outside the "norm" displayed by the media and by society - so I can understand very well why so many men are so confused about this and get so much of it so wrong that their contact attemps simply fail.

First thing must be to use the UPPER brain - and focus on the RIGHT half of it. Then it is a learning process to go through that has absolutely nothing to with what the porn industry makes money on. And it is no longer part of what could be called "culture" or "good manners".

It is easy for those who understand to ridicule those who don't. In fact, it is very tough to comprehend that someone else does not understand what is obvious to one self. But it does not help anything to point out that someone "failed". It does not make me understand that someone tells me that I "need to understand", without explaining what it actually is, on terms that relate to MY ability of comprehension...

And I am not blaiming "the good ones" for not sharing. I would think that many of them are not even aware of this problem - because it is not a problem for THEM. (Same shit, just the other way around... Humans generally do not comprehend that other people might not understand what they take for granted.)

It takes more than communication - it takes desire to learn, from teachers that aren't certified and government licensed.


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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 8:59:38 PM   
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ALL relationships are about MUTUAL SAFISFACTION OF EMOTIONAL NEEDS.

When I say things like that, people get mad at me. Maybe I'm just too bombastic.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 10:00:04 PM   
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Of course - SOMEONE is to be blamed for the natural laws being what they are, when they are annoying to accept.... Why not you? Anything wrong with you that would disqualify you as scapegoat? (Sorry, just kidding...)

I stated this as an axiom = a definition I take for granted as natural law and am unwilling to discuss the validity of or provide proof of.

I use as logical basis for my reasoning. Anyone who disagrees with it is welcome to provide an explanation as to why they think it is wrong, or where my reasoning from it went astray.

Of, course, anyone who wants to take offense from it, is free to do so - that's no concern of mine, as I have no intention of dictating to anyone what their beliefs should be. Some people even believe that the Earth is a flat square; they may once in a while make some terrible conclusions on that basis, but if that's what they want to believe, then so be it.

It is still just "MY thoughts on..." and all attempts in the past teaching me political correctness have utterly failed and will most likely be completely futile also in the future, as I am sure it shows....

(No, I am not a loyal citizen of any State.)

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 10:28:34 PM   
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I'm newly single.  (Yesterday) after a 5 year relationship.  The first thing I've done after we broke up is come here to find someone more suited to me. 
I'm probably the kind of person whom would be hated in a place like this because I'm here as a single man to escape the hardship I just came from.

Hated?  No.  Avoided on a relationship level like the plague?  Probably.  It just screams issues that you haven't given yourself time to get over yet.  What balanced individual goes from a five year relationship straight into another one without dealing with the loss of the prior relationship first?



Well the simple answer to that would be an unfulfilled one.  One who wasn't getting the emotional satisfaction he needed and so is now looking for it somewhere else, thus the lack of feeling of loss coming from that relationship.   I don't want people to feel sorry for me because I'm single after 5 years.  I'm a strong individual and I know that what the future holds will be better and I know because the first step I've taken is coming here to interact with people who are similar to myself.

But, I'm not ACTUALLY looking for a girlfriend right now, you are correct.  I do feel it is a bit in, bad taste to come here for that but talking to people in this field was forbidden to me before. The girl was very, 'vanilla'. 

The point I'm trying to make is, I get the impression that, a dominatrix to an extent, although she acts like a mega bitch or what ever is deep down appreciative of her slave, and that acting that part is somewhat her gift to him.  Her way of showing that appreciation.  As opposed to say a (please don't hate me for using the term 'normal' here but I can't find the right word.) 'normal'/'vanilla' girl who will just ask for more and more and more and then just say "Oh yeah I appreciate you" to get even more.  Kind of like when some slime bucket guys tell a girl they love her just for the sex but even they know they don't.  

I'm sorry I find it hard to explain.  You have to bare with me I'm a little bit un-coordinated with words.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/30/2011 10:54:14 PM   
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You don't think that your stated "lack of loss" coming from that relationship isn't emotional baggage? 

You won't get any crap from Me for calling someone normal or vanilla in comparison to kinky folks.  Whatever term gets used to distinguish one group from the other isn't an issue.

Yet, I can't say that I know anyone who comes out of a five year relationship, good or bad, that is all adjusted to a new relationship one day after it's over.  If you can, cool.  Somebody will probably want to write a book on you because you don't need a readjustment period.


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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 12:08:27 AM   
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You don't know me.  But Hi, pleased to meet you :D

What I'm saying is, I have to adjust to being single again, don't get me wrong.  But I'm not sad about being single again. 
I'm not sitting here crying saying "boo hoo my baby left me" because she treated me horribly. 

Being single doesn't have to be a bad thing, even for a submissive.  When you have no one to devote yourself to, you can spread the love.
I don't mean that in a dirty kind of man-slut kind of way, I mean it in that some people have alot to offer and all they want to do in life is dish it out simply cos they can.
They don't want or need rewards but they do need some level of justification. Sometimes that justification need only be appreciation.  As a boyfriend, all I wanted was to be
appreciated.  I wasn't.  Her actions portrayed that clearly, therefore I no longer had justification to hang around.  I am better off being single.

I also think that at the end of the day, this whole Mistress, Slave thing is still undermined by human psychology.  I still think if you portray yourself  with low self esteem, even on a website like this, people won't want to dominate you.  If I had to step into the opposite shoes it would frustrate me to have to control that kind of person and so I think thats why some are still single.  Because at the end of the day, I think even a Mistress would much rather a submissive or slave who can blow her away and sweep her off her feet.  It may be in the lengths he goes to for her and she may never tell him or admit it publically, but I bet you she will always find a way to let him know he's appreciated to keep him around.  Be it doing something to fulfil his fantasy or by some other means. 
But, I don't know a lot.  That's just an opinion based on distant observation.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 2:06:51 AM   
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I also think that at the end of the day, this whole Mistress, Slave thing is still undermined by human psychology.  I still think if you portray yourself  with low self esteem, even on a website like this, people won't want to dominate you. 



I think you are very right on this, and that's also why you probably can find both kinds of Ds: those who feel good about being in control of someone who has personal value (i.e. high self esteem) and those who can feel good exclusively by making other people more miserable.

I personally care not for the last type, as Ds or as humans.

Fortunaltey, it is not my impression that they are abundant among the females. I hate to say that I have seen it much more often amongst males...

I think it is very much like dog training: as trainer, I would want my dog to be a high performer, happy and full of workable energy; I would take pride in it being trained well.

But I also know dog people who pick up the worst crap they can find in the shelters, out of pity. They then spend tons of time "rescuing" this piece of misery. They are the good people, although they deserve better than what they get. The bad ones are those who feel power when controlling the animal through fear. There are, unfortunately, humans that do this to animals - and there are humans that do this to other humans.

The good news is that those evil bastards are relatively easy to recognize, because they have no concern for their own live property. Please note that I am not at all calling a sadist "evil" in this context. Sadism does not have to be linked to lack of care for others. If it is, it is dangerous, but I believe this is the rare exception, again, particularly amongst Dommes.

Also, about "recovering time" - then this is as relative as everything else, and preconceived opinions about it are most often founded in experiences that are not including any exceptions from the general rules that are based on certain assumptions that might or might not be valid in any specific case.

I know several people who have been in a relationship for over 20 years - and had no need for being alone before they entered another relationship, which (by the way), in several cases turned out to be very successful.

Some relationships are so bad or so empty that there is no trauma associated with quitting, only relief and joy. I think this happens when the relationship is formally kept alive, even though there is no emotional contents left in it - the previous partners are just living together because of financial convenience, for instance. Sharing the roof, but not the bed. Or holding on because of the kids.

But I also believe that most of us have good reasons to take some time to learn from the bad experience a broken relationship always represents. When the lessons can be learned before the formal break-up, then there is only little need for "time off" before "looking" again. But I also don't think this is the most common situation...

What I mean to say is really that what it takes from one person to another is different. But the objective is the same: it is simply not fair to neither ourselves nor to our potential partners to engage in a relationship without having a clear understanding of ourselves, our needs, our goals, and what we truly have to offer. I agree with LP that, for most people, this takes some "healing time" after the break-up, but I do not agree that there should be a standard that fits all (and LP also did not say that).

Whether D or s, a human who does not feel "whole" by being content with self will inevitably bring trouble to any relationship, no matter the nature of that relationship.

So, the objective is not so mcuh to take time off, because that's what one is supposed to do. The objective it to heal the wounds and learn the lessons, so we can move on with better odds than before.

"If it does not kill me, it makes me stronger". But it takes that we digest the experiences we had. And, as long as a person still feels HURT, that digestion has not yet finished...

It is easy to say, "I forgive" - but it is much more challenging to truly MEAN it... particularly when the other person actually was an ass hole!


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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 4:08:03 AM   
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Also, about "recovering time" - then this is as relative as everything else, and preconceived opinions about it are most often founded in experiences that are not including any exceptions from the general rules that are based on certain assumptions that might or might not be valid in any specific case
know several people who have been in a relationship for over 20 years - and had no need for being alone before they entered another relationship, which (by the way), in several cases turned out to be very successful.



I agree about recovery time.. but I, personally, and most everyone else I know, would shy away from anyone that just ended a long-term relationship,, too much baggage/hurt/etc.  Objectively, when my marriage ended recently, if I was a third person, OBJECTIVELY I would not have trusted the motives/sincerity/ ABILITY of the hurt person to be able to engage in another relationship.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 4:28:44 AM   
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I'm newly single.  (Yesterday) after a 5 year relationship.  The first thing I've done after we broke up is come here to find someone more suited to me. 
I'm probably the kind of person whom would be hated in a place like this because I'm here as a single man to escape the hardship I just came from.


You might be better off taking a few months - join a gym, take a class, join a book discussion group. Give yourself some time to reflect and heal, otherwise you will poison your next relationship with your pain from the last one.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 9:35:07 AM   
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Some people even believe that the Earth is a flat square; they may once in a while make some terrible conclusions on that basis, but if that's what they want to believe, then so be it.

My take is whatever they want to believe in private is their business. Once they make their view public, they are inviting comment. If they weren't, they'd keep them private. And some people do enjoy arguing (e.g., me).

Post-modernist thinking is fine for literary criticism, not so good for cosmology.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 12:36:25 PM   
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Hello, it's nice to meet you as well KMU.

No, I am not saying there is one thing wrong with being single.  I've actually had times in My life when I have sworn off relationships of any kind for a certain period (sexual, romantic, etc) because I felt it was the right option for Me.  If I were to divorce My husband or release My boy (worst case scenario, both) I'd absolutely do that again.  I would definitely want healing and adjustment time.  Another poster mentioned that I didn't say how long that should be and that is correct.  Mostly because I feel that amount of time is different for everybody.  Minimum of six months to a year for Me.

You know, it occurs to Me that it isn't necessarily just for the "boo hoo because she left or treated someone badly".  Sure, that happens in some cases, but not all.  However, in a high majority of cases when a person is coming out of a long term dynamic or relationship, they do have to come to terms that their hopes and dreams that they had at least once, wasn't the way it turned out.  Some do that before the relationship ends and others don't experience it until after.  That part pretty much sucks no matter who you are.

There's also that part of relearning to be yourself, by yourself.  That's not always a picnic either, at least not right away.

Either way, you never know.  Maybe sticking around here and taking a little time for yourself will help you to formulate a better idea of how you might like your life to be with someone in the future or reveal to you places where you can avoid making certain mistakes.  We're kind of a strange bunch, but every now and again, we do have some interesting things to talk about.


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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 2:15:03 PM   
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We had a thread a while back that was on the topic of why some folks are single.  (Forgive Me for not linking the thread, atm.)  I'll say here what I said there.  In some cases, it really does boil down to location.  There are some fabulous subs of both genders that, at least on first impression, would make excellent partners for someone.


I pretty much agree. For me, it's definitely location. I don't seem to find too many people in this neck of the woods. Doesn't mean they're not out here; just not that easy to find. Since arriving where I'm at, I run across a number of women looking for men, but then I discover they're actually already married and looking for something else. Getting involved with a married person (when the other person isn't aware) isn't really my thing, so I tend to just stick to myself these days. Not a complaint, but just a rationalization.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 2:57:55 PM   
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We're kind of a strange bunch, but every now and again, we do have some interesting things to talk about.


I am very new here myself, but I have already enjoyed that there are people here who are sincere, straight-forward, and helpful. You are definitely one of them, LP!

Sometimes, though, the truth hurts. And in a situation with a broken relationship in the ballast, we might find it in a different place than what we think and hope, simply because we are too inviolved in our own case. I don't believe anyone can point the exact location out for anyone else, and I also don't think it is wise for anyone to even hope that it could be so! This means that what an outsider can see is never the truth - but it could be part of the truth, or it could point in direction of the truth.

In the end, we are all responsible for ourselves and our own choices. But we get more relevant choices when we understand at least some other people better.

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 8:58:34 PM   
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I suggest giving up...

If you're not trying, you can never fail.

(I'm only half serious) 

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 9:03:04 PM   
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I suggest giving up...If you're not trying, you can never fail.

Damn, that's so funny I wish I had posted it.

Crap.

At least I'm taller than you.


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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 1/31/2011 11:39:07 PM   
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I'm newly single.  (Yesterday) after a 5 year relationship.  The first thing I've done after we broke up is come here to find someone more suited to me. 
I'm probably the kind of person whom would be hated in a place like this because I'm here as a single man to escape the hardship I just came from.




You might be better off taking a few months - join a gym, take a class, join a book discussion group. Give yourself some time to reflect and heal, otherwise you will poison your next relationship with your pain from the last one.


I am signed to two gyms.  (Long before we broke up), I am a little bit of a writer so, I sometimes discuss books with the girl who sells them at work, and yeah. I don't want another long term thing now, I just want some fun.  I'm not going to sit there and cry about this.  I'm too shallow a person for that.   I work, I play, I lead a great life.  Thats all.  I'm only after a good time now, which is why I think this forum would hate me.  But that doesn't mean I'm a bad guy.  I'm very strong emotionally.  I'm lucky in that no matter how hard things get I always know I can make them better.  Leaving her makes the situation better.  Being here makes available the possibility to find someone into what I'm into, which makes the situation better.

Lady Pact,  I agree completely with what you are saying.  My hopes and dreams were dashed.  I saw it coming. Thats why I grew to dispise her.  I saw in her a lifestyle that would drive me nuts.  A negative one. So, I find it hard to be sad when I've left a bad situation. 
I know it seems very shallow but, when you come from having nothing you have nothing to give and nothing to lose..  No sorrow.  No remorse. It takes something though to leave the nothingness in order to find something else, so that you have something to give.  .Yes, it was the hardest thing I've ever had to do.  Yes I miss her for her good traits, but sadly, the bad outweighed them.  I know the next relationship I have won't work.  I know the one after probably won't either.  But I still need to have them to eventually find the one that does. Besides, I'm apparently the worst boyfriend ever so you never know.  Maybe being here will teach me some good in the vanilla world.


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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 2/1/2011 7:08:33 AM   
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You've written off your next few relationships before even having them?

No baggage there...

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RE: My thoughts on why some sub men are still single - 2/1/2011 11:15:03 AM   
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Nope, single women and married men live longest, so all men should marry, no woman should ;-)


aha.. maybe that's why so many married men wanted a Mistress~



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