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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/22/2012 10:43:00 PM   
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All I can say is we only have one side of the story and we don't know his and apparently neither does she since it sounds as if they aren't very communicative with each other. I'm not about to play the man-hating card just because he hasn't had sex with her.

Hell I haven't had sex in 6 months as part of Master's "Master plan" of discipline and training since I moved here. So I'm not ready to say that just because someone isn't having sex isn't a reason to kick them to the curb without further information first.


Who is playing the "man hating card"?

Was that plan explained to you?

You and I often differ on many things... this is just another.

I adore men. I adore men for many reasons. This isnt just about sex. This is about many levels of a lack of intimacy.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/22/2012 10:48:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

All I can say is we only have one side of the story and we don't know his and apparently neither does she since it sounds as if they aren't very communicative with each other. I'm not about to play the man-hating card just because he hasn't had sex with her.

Hell I haven't had sex in 6 months as part of Master's "Master plan" of discipline and training since I moved here. So I'm not ready to say that just because someone isn't having sex isn't a reason to kick them to the curb without further information first.





And thats fine that it works for you... However obviously it isnt working for the OP because shes here asking questions and shes unfulfilled. Im not playing the man hating card, Im playing the do not stay in a relationship where your needs are unfulfilled card.


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/22/2012 10:55:16 PM   
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would you walk away before finding out what's going on? Without first talking to each other? She asked him one question and he gave her a vague answer. In my book that's not communication and I don't walk away without knowing more information but that's just me.

Now if she's not happy at all and doesn't want to talk to  him and see if it can be salvaged, if there are other problems she's not telling us then hey...walk away and good luck.




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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/22/2012 10:59:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

In the meantime, a couple of thoughts to ponder. Never make someone a priority who makes you an option. And. When you settle for less than what you deserve, you get less than what you settled for.



Awesome statements, DesFIP!!! (Smiles)

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/22/2012 11:03:16 PM   
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If after two years nothing had changed? Id have been out the door at three months or less if my needs weren't being fulfilled and wrote it off as being incompatible...
From the OP
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As crazy as I am about him I have concerns.
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He has never shown any interest in pleasing me, it has always been him. He has never even seen me naked.
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At the beginning of our relationship I told him I wanted sex, but he ignorred those requests and told me to go out and compare.
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I asked him once "WIll we ever have sex?" and he said I can not answer that. But also keep in mind he told me once he preferred worship over sex.
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I dont think I can go without sex forever. I dont know how to approach questioning him either. He does not like excessive questioning.



Sorry in that alone and thats JUST the op, i see too much incompatibility for anything to work out.....Why he is the way he is is anyone's guess your right... However there are so many red flags in that op that I wouldnt stick around to figure it out...


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 2:00:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

I appreciate the advice.
Yes there has been some red flags in the relationship but my attraction to him is intense. I tried to end it a couple times but he pursued me and he is hard to resist.
I want to add I am a very attractive woman who has no problems getting men. I am not a frumpy desperate middle aged woman.
I could see where you think he is married but I assure you i know he is not. His work is public so knowing his background is very easy.
He has never said he was monogamous so I dont even expect that. This is not a lifestyle I pursued it pursued me.



Keep blowing him, Clean his abode... your perfect sub material as nothing will change after the ceremony. What was the question again? Oh and stop whining about it. As we say in the biz. "It is what it is."

ETA.. Ya know it could be he doesn't like fucking frumpy over 40 bitches. Without going into boring details. Suffice to say I had a bitch that gave me BJ on demand... I never boned her although she wanted more of a "relationship".



BadOne

< Message edited by SailingBum -- 1/23/2012 2:06:37 AM >


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 3:40:11 AM   
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Op,

It could be a form of control---withholding that very thing you want most. I have run into a few like that or those that demand you do what you least desire to do and do so only to please them.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 3:43:28 AM   
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In the beginning I do not have intercourse with my subs. It is something they have to earn. 2 years though? That's way beyond anything I would ever consider. He is using you and your thirst for knowledge against you. Bow out now and do block him everywhere. No matter what name you wear, you deserve happiness and fulfillment.

It's easy when you are older to think "this is my last chance". It isn't and won't be till you draw your dying breath. My "one" says we are two sides to the same coin. THAT is how it should be. As for age? We're both mid 50's and finally found each other this last year. It's never too late and don't sell yourself short thinking that it is.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 5:54:41 AM   
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OP: The epitome of being a good slave/sub does not translate into being unhappy. Find a relationship that makes you feel fulfilled and content, excited even! Anything less is just a waste of your time and efforts.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:13:52 AM   
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quote:

Could this mean he might finally have sex with me or please me in some way?


NO

He is perfectly content with the way things are now.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:15:13 AM   
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Why worry about pleasing her when she is more than willing to please him without it?

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:21:18 AM   
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Yes there has been some red flags in the relationship but my attraction to him is intense. I tried to end it a couple times but he pursued me and he is hard to resist.


Oh boy have I been there. I had to move in another woman in, wait a year, and move out while he was out of town. He still pursued me! Actually, that was over two years ago and although the intensity has diminished considerably, he's STILL pursuing me!

I was an excellent source of narcissistic supply.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:23:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I've known actually quite a few men like that. To them sucking dick is just casual but actual intercourse was much more intimate and they were extremely burned by their last relationship and were afraid to have sex for quite a few years, afraid to get intimate, afraid to get too close.

Or like I said, maybe he's exerting his dominance over her and part of his training.

Or...another one that just went through my mind...is he spiritual or religious? Is he a born again Christian? Maybe he's the type that waits till marriage (yeah I know a few of these...to them oral doesn't count lol).


Yeah, but she said he's never kissed her either.....


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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:25:48 AM   
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How to NOT be Narcissistic Supply

1. Know what narcissism really is. Narcissism is a character disorder which causes the narcissist to "look outward" for a view that will reflect him as wonderful. Rather than having good self-esteem, the narcissist lacks it, and feels empty, and therefore must gain his pseudo-"self-esteem" from others--external sources--family, friends, lovers, workmates and children. Success is measured by over-evaluation of one's achievements, and by more concrete examples that seem to "prove" the erroneous achievement: money; praise; status; promotion; being liked; being powerful; being overly nice, etc. Objectification of people mirrors their objective to show themselves as having "objects" that conventionally define success. They desire the best, and are perfectionists. Their perfectionism derives from their internal, sublimated sense of worthlessness, envy and shame. Everything & everyone is, in essence, reduced to an object for the narcissistic, and some work together quite usefully: i.e. a wealthy partner; a good physique in yourself or in another (partner). These objects are known as "supplies" which the narcissistic feeds off of and ultimately drains of their own self-worth.

2. Analyze your behavior around the narcissist. Do you tend to pay more attention to their needs than to your own? Many people assume the role of a narcissistic extension, which means they are used, or allow themselves to be used, as a supply to keep the other person "on track", or in control, or feeling okay. Often the person who extends the narcissist does not recognise what is happening as the narcissist uses (unconsciously or consciously) strategies that trick the narcissistic extension into believing they have certain invaluable traits. They can be excessively loving, due to their need for a supply of love, but their needs overtakes any real love, and the extension is simply that, a part of the narcissist, not a full human being.

3. Think outside the box. Don't compare yourself to the stereotypical narcissistic extension; narcissistic extensions do not always serve as the trophy wife for the well-paid executive. They are more often targeted by the narcissistic for traits that the narcissistic (possibly reflexively) realises he can manipulate. He thus always plays a game with his potential partner, turning them gradually from the beloved, elevated "person of their dreams" into an object who is debased, wanting and "not good enough." That is because the extension can never fulfill the ever-empty hole inside, and his need to feel whole always requires more and more.

4. Understand that the narcissist often makes use of some psychological games to get what they want. At the same time, they never succeed in their never-ending quest of new ways to demonstrate themselves they're worth something. Thus material acquisitions or new people (or both) become necessary after a shorter or longer time, or at a time of insecurity, especially work and family problems, and particularly if the extension stops playing his or her inculcated role. The narcissist finds it exceedingly easy to devalue one previously "adored" narcissistic extension, and replace him or her with someone he ranks higher. This ranking is not rational, as it is the thrill of the new and exciting that keeps him from feeling empty and addressing his own weaknesses. He would rather move on, and, in a way, that is good for the narcissistic extension, who, once that often benign, even banal person has exited (often in a way that is dissimilar to the "normal" behaviour he play-acted for years, or months, i.e. callously; cruelly; deserting, etc. and, in fact, contradicting all the positive "spin" he used to trap his "victim." The next one will inevitably fall into the trap.

5. Be careful and use your intuition. It is not easy to spot a narcissist, as mentioned, as they can equally be "Mr Nice Guy" as "Mr 'I Am.' The signs are subtle, but one guiding rule is trust your immediate intuition, and do not believe his or her words, focus entirely on their actions.

6. Know that the narcissist can leave you at the very moment you stop making them feel important or they are bored. No surprise when you know, but when you don't it is a huge and traumatic shock, the guy leaves, usually without warning or explanation, or with lies, and has another person waiting in the wings: girls too, of course, not just men. And if asked, about their professions of love, they'll shrug it off: "I meant it at the time." Just like he means it at the time this time, but is deluded (to a greater or lesser degree and really believes this is it--the perfect love which will complete me) by his insatiable needs.

7. Be strong and patient with yourself. It often takes the person who has played the role of narcissistic extension (which does not necessarily mean boosting the narcissistic partner's self-esteem, though it may include that or being critical but engaged with the person. If there is withdrawal, the narcissistic panics and runs) some time to recover from the shock of being dumped. He or she may also go through a normal "bad patch" but cannot bear the feelings that arise, so he finds, easily enough, some other to fill the place before he or she has a chance to feel empty. The narcissistic extension is in shock, and goes through the stages of grief. The poignant and problematical issue is that the narcissistic extension is grieving for what never was, and this means that it over takes much much longer to get over the relationship. They have to "miss" out twice, in a sense, while their ex does not grieve, and just moves on, until, perhaps, one day, he exhausts all avenues and has to face himself, but, by now, he is metaphorically "unseen" and unknowable to his or her non-self.

8. Heal your wounds and rise again, liberated from that person's negative influence on you. The narcissistic extension does his or her grief work and the grief work of the other, and then has to accept that the person never cared about him or her, or loved, as he or she, being a narcissist substitutes "other supplies" for love, and must come to terms her life with that person was a lie. It is difficult and painful work but it is work that eventually enables growth and the reintegration of the extension as an "I," the antithesis of narcissistic and a person of true empathy and compassion.

So, if you identify yourself playing this role, recognise it, do something, go through the harsh grief and recognition of the truth, and know that you will be a happier and healthier person who knows they can and do love.
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* Don't think narcissists are one type.

* Trust your first instincts and intuition

* Beware of quick professions of love

* Be very wary of excessive expressions of love, in words. Look at deeds.

* Do not take their word for anything! They have an unparalleled ability to lie to your face, even if evidence is right there. They will rationalise and make up excuses: they garner their skills to talk-the-talk when under pressure.

* Don't ever take them back a second-time. They will do it again. And again. And again.

* Therapy has some psychoanalytic techniques that can bypass the narcissistic tactics are being used, but should be handled by a professional in trauma or personality disorders.

* Though you may feel bad, you will feel better than before, once it's over.

* Grieve, believe the truth, that it was not a real relationship, and move on.

* Work on your own wants and needs before others.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:34:18 AM   
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Thank you for posting that, Kalika.

Amazing how much that mirrors my last relationship.

Yep, it hurt, like hell, when it was over.

But I am now stronger, smarter, and with a much better person.



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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 6:38:05 AM   
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I was a sucker for narcissists - hopefully, I'm in recovery :)

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:24:00 AM   
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ETA.. Ya know it could be he doesn't like fucking frumpy over 40 bitches. Without going into boring details. Suffice to say I had a bitch that gave me BJ on demand... I never boned her although she wanted more of a "relationship".



BadOne

< Message edited by SailingBum -- 1/23/2012 2:06:37 AM

I had to respond to this, always an idiot in the bunch....I would venture to say this frumpy 40+ yr old looks better then your play mate. Do not think since someone is over 40 they are not still very much in shape and young looking....so crawl back under your bridge moron. I am tempted to put a pic up but i will not be doing that.

For the other posters such as Kalikshama, you are hitting the nail on the head> I do believe he is a narcissist. I am actually a good communicator and how I managed to stay wrapped up with him this long is beyond me. One thing is he did mention it was important for me to learn how to please him and I ended up believing that. I have lived most of my live a very impatient "get my way now" type life. It took him a very long time to get me to give of myself without always wanting something for myself. So actually I have learned a good thing on one hand, but now I am back to thinking its closing in on two yrs, I deserve attention to my needs.
He did allow me to kiss him once , the very first meeting......before I kissed him he said " This is a one time thing, never ask for this again" well I did ask again and the answer is always no. Here is the only sexual thing he has said to me toward my own needs. " I almost grabbed your tit your last visit" ..................OH BOY!!!! hahahahaa, lucky me.

The other poster who said to ban him getting ahold of me, thats probably an excellent idea, in the past he has pursued his "money tree" which is me. I think he is a finanacial dom as you all have mentioned in other posts.
Funny thing is I am by nature an assertive person, almost borderline aggressive at times so I think he found it a challenge to try to manipulate me and mold me. I allowed him to do it by continuing this relationship. I do wish my attraction to him was not so great because leaving him will be one of the most painful thngs I have ever did. But Its obvious he doesnt love me. In his defense he never once said he loved me, just said he cared.
I also drilled him once about not having intercourse, because I needed to know. He said after much prying " I just dont like it" So hard for me to think a man doesnt like intercourse with a woman he cares about. He is either getting it with someone else was my thought, his spiritual thoughts keep him from doing it, or he is lying. My Master is an unusual man, and I do think the mentioning of personaltiy disorder is " dead on it" His ego is huge, and he is definitely a me me me person.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:28:54 AM   
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You gave him money on top of cleaning his house and blowing him? Oh dear.

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:33:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance
It sounds like hes married .....

Or castrated...

Or maybe he is a phigment...

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RE: Master does not want sex - 1/23/2012 9:34:57 AM   
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chatterbox.. he doesnt happen to live in Ohio, does he?

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