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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/17/2012 3:18:17 AM   
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If you met a lady that had everything you wanted in her attitude, disposition and willingness to submit would you be willing to help her transform her physical body into what you would find pleasing?


Of course. Your "if" is a big if, though. Men are different, so my reaction to your question isn't any more representative than anyone else's. But here's my effort.

If a woman had everything I wanted in terms of attitude, then it wouldn't be a question of my "helping her". I'd be transforming her in any case in a number of ways, including her physical appearance if I wanted to change that.

Your question reads as though you're not quite understanding a man like me. First, you give the slight impression of misunderstanding what I want and need, and taking it much too lightly. You seem to think "everything I want in terms of attitude" etc. is fairly easily achieved - but it's not. It would be for me to decide whether she lived up to that, and it'd almost certainly take me quite some time, and her quite a bit of work, pain and sacrifice, before I could say she did.

Second, the way you ask "would you be willing to help her ..." seems to assume this woman would be self-directed. She wouldn't. A woman who had "everything [I] wanted in her attitude" (your words) would be doing a lot of hard mental and psychological work, first towards relegating, then towards abandoning and freeing herself from her own goals and desires, so that she could focus solely on helping me achieve mine.

Finally, method. You mention surgery, but if I were with this attitudinally perfect woman, and wanted to slim her down, then obviously I'd decide how and over what timescale. There could be question of her being fixated on particular methods, or of her being impatient about progress - except impatience to achieve my goals for her. I know if I owned a woman like this, it'd be a long hard, very gradual road of diet, exercise and lifestyle change. There'd be no question of surgery, ever. If she really were attitudinally perfect, then she'd report to me any impatience she ever felt with my goals and strategy for achieving them, so that I could punish her if I thought appropriate.

There almost certainly are men out there who have a specific thing about driving bigger women to lose weight. I can understand that sort of kink, and that it could just work with a woman who wanted to use him instrumentally to achieve her own weight loss goals.

On the other hand, a woman may feel that to be happy she needs to be thinner and be with a very dominant man who was not happy being used like that. In that case, it's perfectly fair enough to make sure before starting a relationship that her would-be master, owner or dominant would like her to be slimmer. Fine. But once that's clear, I suspect the secret may be, paradoxically, to try to forget about the thin thing, and focus simply on pleasing him.

Perhaps I'm just talking about myself here, of course, but I can easily imagine feeling that excessive focus on her weight and looks, impatience about change and insecurity intruding into her thoughts and actions were a sort of self-centredness that did not serve to put my desires first, and were a potential source of resistance to me.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/17/2012 5:20:44 AM   
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Well said^^^^^ I personally have an attraction to woman of thicker builds so this has never been an issue in my.home. but I could certainly see where a dom may have a preference. I do not allow any sort of smoking. A sub unwilling to follow that would be doing so in defiance. I guess you could place weight contol in that same catagory? It's all about the flavor of ice cream ya want and what works for you and your household.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/21/2012 11:39:04 AM   
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I love training BBWs. Weight loss becomes a focus of our relationship that contributes to her having a healthy lifestyle and gives me a frequent reason to discipline her.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/22/2012 10:50:05 AM   
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I am a bbw sub and I personally think we are all attracted to different body sizes, I mean it is as natural as the air we breath. I don't judge Doms that clearly state on their profile that they are looking for HWP subs, thats just what they are attracted to and so be it. I am not attracted to black guys even in my vanilla life, does that make me a racist? Nope, its just that they don't turn me on so why waste my time with one? Even thought I am a size 12 sub I still get LOTS of messages from interested doms. Just like in the vanilla world, some guys do like bigger or "curvier" women. So forget about what anyone else thinks...

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/22/2012 1:49:49 PM   
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In my arrogant opinion, "HWP" means that any healthy woman over puberty will be voluptuous and curvy.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/23/2012 11:04:04 PM   
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We are all subject to our own desires. Some of us just aren't physically attracted to larger women, just as many women aren't attracted to larger men. I have known many ladies who were positively awesome and whom I definitely would have been interested in, had the physical attraction been there. That said, some elements of attraction are more fluid than others and can be affected by the other aspects of the person: personality, interests, and the like. I tend to like short, tiny women. However, I have had taller, more "robust" women become more physically attractive to me as I've gotten to know them. Conversely, I've had women I've lusted after become unattractive to me as I've discovered they were willfully ignorant, unkind, or something else I couldn't accept. But I am almost never attracted to a significantly overweight woman. I don't know why but I've long thought it was because I am a large man. I believe there is a sort of drive toward the average in evolution that causes us to seek opposites. I typically see large men with small women and large women with small men.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/24/2012 6:39:02 AM   
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Maybe I've always had fairly strong self-esteem, but I've never chased a man. If a dom didn't want me because I was fat, I didn't take that as a failure on my part. I took it as I didn't fit his preference. He is allowed those, just as I am allowed mine. I certainly didn't try to convince him that he was missing out by not giving me a chance, just as I didn't tolerate that from doms that I rejected because they didn't fit my preferences.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/24/2012 9:57:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

Maybe I've always had fairly strong self-esteem, but I've never chased a man. If a dom didn't want me because I was fat, I didn't take that as a failure on my part. I took it as I didn't fit his preference. He is allowed those, just as I am allowed mine. I certainly didn't try to convince him that he was missing out by not giving me a chance, just as I didn't tolerate that from doms that I rejected because they didn't fit my preferences.

That's really all it's about: self esteem. We all have our types. We've been tricked by media into believing there is a narrow range of attractiveness that appeals to everyone but it isn't true. For example, I am not attracted to Angelina Jolie and it seems like every magazine holds her up as some paragon of hotness. Big people simply need the confidence to recognize that, while they may not be attractive to everyone, no one else is, either.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/25/2012 2:40:52 AM   
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I think this is kind of silly....I am big AND i am healthy, one does not preclude the other. I don't sit around eating candy all day, I work. I eat healthy. So God made me bigger, I can bench press 120 lbs, and I don't know any 120 lb women who can bench press their own body weight. I go to the gym and see them in the free weight section lifting a little five pound dumbell and acting like it's hard. All of the guys would rather hang out with me, at least I'm capable of spotting them.

I used to be a size four and I was tired, starving all the time, and there are videos of me where you can literally see me fall over or start to pass out mid-sentence. What's healthy for some is not healthy for others.

So this whole association of "healthy" with "skinny" is "silly" hehe.

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83

No one wants to be obese, Healthy body
Healthy mind. This will make me sound like
an asshole but why would I pick a girl that
needed years of management and work to
get to a point where she meets my standards
when there are tones of healthy ones out
there already? And to be completely honest
you have to do it for yourself, not so some guy
will give you the time of day...

-ARIES


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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/25/2012 2:55:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dreamhouse
So this whole association of "healthy" with "skinny" is "silly" hehe.


What do you think about the association of "attractive" with "skinny"? I can't help but notice you have dollification, and in particular food/weight control listed in your profile.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 9/25/2012 3:57:53 AM   
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This bothers me a lot. 1. You are defining yourself solely in terms of your weight. You are dismissing all the other compatibility factors. Bluntly, you're fixated. 2. Instead of thinking of a Dom that will be happy with you as you are AND as you intend to be, you're solely shooting for the ones that will accept you conditionally. I'd be very concerned, assuming that you would find someone like that, what would happen if your progress slowed or you were able to accomplish only part of your goal. 3. We occasionally get transsexuals here that want to find a Dom to finance their reassignment surgery. You're similar in that you are throwing out the possibility that you'd want your Dom to foot the bill for your surgery.
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1. Men define women solely in terms of their weight all the time. When I was a size four, every guy wanted to know who I was, figure out what we might have in common, find some way to be with me. Now I'm a size 16, and nobody gives a crap about me. It's hard to understand unless you've been a woman and seen how we're treated based on looks alone. Guys will always go for the prettiest thing in the room, and overlook all else. So if you're not perfect, nobody notices you. And if you are "perfect" everyone wants you all the time, and you're always miserable because they're making their girlfriends miserable trying to get you. Or openly staring. It's really hard to have friends when you're pretty, because men are so obsessed with looks. I do agree that this just seems like a money fishing expedition when you read the last lines.

Now of course me personally, I WANT to lose the weight already first for health reasons and second because I am not happy with my body. I am absolutely NOT talking about forcing someone to do this because it would please you. A person absolutely has to WANT to change and have the desire within them to be successful. This is just something that popped into my mind and I would like to get your views on it. TY


Nope. You're deliberately shooting for Doms who want a thinner woman. They will not be happy until you do lose the weight, which you say you want to change on your own. I suspect that they will not be unfailingly cheerful and supportive, but will get impatient and may get demanding, which will add stress and make it harder.

Again, I'd shoot for a man who will accept you as you are AND as you want to be.



Personally I don't think there is any guy like that. The guys who will go for me when I'm big, get jealous and scared when I lose the weight. The guys who like me skinny, are disgusted when I gain weight. (not that I randomly gain and lose weight, lol, I had a child)

I don't mean to sound rude but this post reminds me of the guys who used to try to get with me (and at first succeeded) by saying no pretty girl would ever want them and making me feel bad for them.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 1/17/2013 8:48:22 AM   
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I HATE to use BBW. Not every fat chick is beautiful, sorry. And to the men who, and i am serious, that bbw mean Big Breasted Women...oh boy. it takes a second to google it.

Now i say I am a Big Girl (FAT). lol. this is how i list it..Big Girl (FAT). I want it clear, I am 5'10 and big. this doesnt mean i huge rolls, no waist and no curves, lol. I just do not like surprises, so i am very clear as to my size. When I was lean, a size 10 before vanity sizing came about, at 5'10, I am still big because of the sheer height and shoulder width I have. When I was thinner (I am fat because I have been on meds the last 15yrs that cause all sorts of serious health problem, since cessation of drugs, no change in diet or exercise, have lost over 66lbs in last year), I was a workout fiend, benched 200+lbs, was really super fit, but even at a size 10, and you could count my ribs, i was 204lbs. Yep. So first weight means nothing. I was literally smaller in inches than the healthy BMI people yet mine said obese when I clearly was too thin according to my doctor. I was also a very slender child, a curvy-not fat nor chubby- teen, always very tall.

My only issue is i dont have an issue being fat. Sure Id love to be thin, lol, who doesnt? But it definitely is not something I actively think , worrying men will find me attractive. I can go out and have a group to choose from. And i do eat healthier than many thin people and also go to the gym 3 times a week-cannot do cardio due to perm damaged broken ankle, but am a weightlifting junkie, lol- so you must be active. And remember one thing--it does not matter what some random person thinks of you, what do YOU think of you? That is all that matters.

OP, change for YOU, no one else. It will not work otherwise and you will resent the other you begged for the support from-their encouragement can seem like bullying after a while.. Another bit of advice i have for losing weight, DO NOT BUY THE CRAP THAT YOU SHOULD NOT EAT. Food cannot call to you in the night, like many fat people claim lol, if it is not in the house :) Also eat slowly, never clean your plate. Start using a small saucer/sandwich plate instead of dinner plate. You can fill it to the top but only once ..that there can restrict 1000s of calories ..youd be stunned.

About wanting a Dom who doesnt like bbws--if you are a girl who is attracted to dark haired men only and blonde men just disgust you, would you want a blonde man harassing you to give him a chance he can dye his hair or change anything for you? You wouldnt. I wouldnt. I dont want someone who wants me to change the true me, nor me want to change the true them..if you were meant to be with me i wouldnt WANT TO CHANGE YOU!

;)


I hope some of this made sense, lol...I tend to babble, lol...

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 1/17/2013 11:25:23 AM   
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Please stop posting on threads more than 3 months old (since last post).  It is right in the TOS.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 2/20/2013 5:50:29 AM   
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I love to be with all types of Subs/ Slave. to me Domming over a Sub is Deeper then looks.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 2/20/2013 9:29:16 AM   
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Oops, just noticed that this thread was a necro thread brought back from the dead like Lazarus. So I deleted my comment. Sorry, Mods

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 3/6/2013 7:50:06 PM   
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It''s always best, even if all you hear from are players or online only types, to be honest about who you are and what you want in your profile. Now as a BBW, I will hear from the l cranks; however my info Is accurate so if a man says 'hello' I figure he knows and is ok with it. Who wans to even speak with someone who dislikes you for surface reasons anyway? That said we all have our physical preferences in a partner. let it be and move on. We all like different types so let him go.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 3/6/2013 8:22:30 PM   
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Please see the TOS on old threads.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 3/7/2013 1:51:01 AM   
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Interesting

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 3/7/2013 2:20:43 AM   
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Alot of male dom are not as shallow as alot of female dommes are.Some males can look past looks.Most women,especially female dommes,are just usually shallow women looking to find some men for money.You stand a better chance finding a male dom than a male sub would finding a fem domme.Its usually called a "double standard" and the general BDSM community accepts this just fine becaue there are alot of shallow people in this lifestyle.


Wow.

1. You sorta-claim that men are less fixated on looks than women are. I disagree.
2. You then claim that most women are out for money. I disagree.
3. You compare tribute Dommes, whose job/hobby is getting money from subs, with non-pros.
4. You're correct that a femsub can find a maleDom easier than a malesub can find a Domme. But that's due to the relative populations of them, not due to shallowness or bias. It is NOT a double standard.
5. There are a lot of people outside the lifestyle that are "shallow" as well.

With that said, you sound like a bitter malesub who's having trouble finding a Domme, after having been on this site a couple of weeks. With a blank profile, that's not a surprise. From your username, you're into feminization. You also hijacked a thread about a woman believing that a Dom intolerant of BBWs would be the best way for her to lose weight, with a diatribe.

First, unhide your profile.
Second, check out OtterSwim. He's a malesub into feminization who found his match. He did it through his character and the fact that he's just fun to be around. If you can develop a style similar to his, you'll do much better.
Third, I hate to bring this up, but spelling and proper presentation of ideas counts for a lot online. I'd suggest you work on those.

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RE: Doms that do not accept BBWs - 3/7/2013 4:08:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AngelinChainz

First off this is not a rant nor am I trying to be snide. I am serious about this question. I love all body types and respect everyone's choice in what they choose to look like and who they find attractive.
I have a serious question for Doms/Masters that will not accept BBW sub/slaves. If you met a lady that had everything you wanted in her attitude, disposition and willingness to submit would you be willing to help her transform her physical body into what you would find pleasing? I am talking about a safe weight loss program involving diet and exercise. Plus your control/Dominance over her as your property, not to mention her deep desire to please you, as a motivating factor. Even all the way to helping her get financing for weight loss surgery, which has become much safer and allows many options. Speaking for myself I know that with the drive of my Master/Owner behind me, as well as his support, pride, and even rewards for doing well would be a huge boost.
Now of course me personally, I WANT to lose the weight already first for health reasons and second because I am not happy with my body. I am absolutely NOT talking about forcing someone to do this because it would please you. A person absolutely has to WANT to change and have the desire within them to be successful. This is just something that popped into my mind and I would like to get your views on it. TY


And you think subs line up for heavy men? Or short men? Etc?

People get to choose. People who don't chose us save us the trouble of not being with someone who doesn't like us as we are. It's a good thing. You don't want everyone---you want the one (or, I suppose, ones) who is/are a good fit for you.

Stop worrying about what everyone does, and focus on finding the right ones for you.

Life will be so much simpler, and you so much happier.

Good luck.




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