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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 10:27:23 AM

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http://blogs.residentialtreatmentcenter.com/best-eating-disorder-blogs.php
http://fyoured.com/
http://runfargirl.com/2012/06/06/life-after-bulimia/

I just talk to my friends who I've known for many years...I don't follow blogs or go to websites or anything like that.

And that is why you don't know anyone who has recovered.

yeah...they always relapse... :( we've lost two girls in our small group...another is close to death right now. *sighs* it's hard. but it makes me want to try harder.

Being able to read stories of success will enable you to see it is possible.
It isn't that I think you should give up your support system.
It is that is is easier to recover around people who aren't sicker than you.
Being around it makes it normal.

If you don't see that recovery is possible then how are you ever going to know that it is possible.

That's true.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 2:44:08 PM

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You do realize your not wanting to give up your eating disorder friends is just like the drug addict who wants to quit but doesn't want to give uup all their druggie friends. Just another excuse.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 6:43:15 PM

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You do realize your not wanting to give up your eating disorder friends is just like the drug addict who wants to quit but doesn't want to give uup all their druggie friends. Just another excuse.

How is it any different than being in treatment around other patients with eating disorders?

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:06:25 PM

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You do realize your not wanting to give up your eating disorder friends is just like the drug addict who wants to quit but doesn't want to give uup all their druggie friends. Just another excuse.

How is it any different than being in treatment around other patients with eating disorders?

Let me see if this makes any sense:
If you have an alcoholic who is in AA and you have an alcoholic who is trying not to drink but hangs out with his fellow alcoholics in a neighborhood bar every night, who do you think is going to relapse first?

When you are in treatment you are in an environment that is focused on recovery.
You said that your group is getting smaller because people have died/are dying due to relapse.
That is not recovery.

You are in relapse.
You are purging.
It may only be once a day, but you are still doing it.
I am guessing that since you don't really know anyone who has recovered from an eating disorder, that you are all in relapse to some degree or other.
Your eating disorder behaviors and rituals are so normal to you and your friends that you can't even recognise that your little bit of purging is in fact relapse.

Now relapse can be a part of recovery, but as long as you are still purging you are in relapse.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:09:15 PM

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You do realize your not wanting to give up your eating disorder friends is just like the drug addict who wants to quit but doesn't want to give uup all their druggie friends. Just another excuse.

How is it any different than being in treatment around other patients with eating disorders?

Let me see if this makes any sense:
If you have an alcoholic who is in AA and you have an alcoholic who is trying not to drink but hangs out with his fellow alcoholics in a neighborhood bar every night, who do you think is going to relapse first?

When you are in treatment you are in an environment that is focused on recovery.
You said that your group is getting smaller because people have died/are dying due to relapse.
That is not recovery.

You are in relapse.
You are purging.
It may only be once a day, but you are still doing it.
I am guessing that since you don't really know anyone who has recovered from an eating disorder, that you are all in relapse to some degree or other.
Your eating disorder behaviors and rituals are so normal to you and your friends that you can't even recognise that your little bit of purging is in fact relapse.

Now relapse can be a part of recovery, but as long as you are still purging you are in relapse.

Then I've never recovered b/c I've always been purging some. Just not as much as I was.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:12:55 PM

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And girls purge and exercise and refuse food in treatment too. Most are there against their will under court order.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:15:29 PM

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You are just absolutely determined to avoid change.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:23:38 PM

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Of course she is. If she goes to treatment, all her excuses go away. Her little group of fellow bulemics will abandon her becauce she isn't one of them. She would have to face the reality and responsibilty for her weight instead of continually blaming various health problems.

OP, Your BP is in normal ran ge on the top, good for someone as overweight as you are. Yet, you don't think its low enough. YOU don't know what is normal or not. Your medical knowledge is excessively limited or based on false assumptions.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:44:15 PM

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And girls purge and exercise and refuse food in treatment too. Most are there against their will under court order.

People are ordered to go to AA by the courts all the time.
The ones who don't drink and go to meetings recover.
The ones who go to meetings and then go hang out with their friends in bars don't.

If this isn't something you understand then there is a crucial part of what recovery is about that you are missing.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 7:57:53 PM

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You do realize your not wanting to give up your eating disorder friends is just like the drug addict who wants to quit but doesn't want to give uup all their druggie friends. Just another excuse.

How is it any different than being in treatment around other patients with eating disorders?

Let me see if this makes any sense:
If you have an alcoholic who is in AA and you have an alcoholic who is trying not to drink but hangs out with his fellow alcoholics in a neighborhood bar every night, who do you think is going to relapse first?

When you are in treatment you are in an environment that is focused on recovery.
You said that your group is getting smaller because people have died/are dying due to relapse.
That is not recovery.

You are in relapse.
You are purging.
It may only be once a day, but you are still doing it.
I am guessing that since you don't really know anyone who has recovered from an eating disorder, that you are all in relapse to some degree or other.
Your eating disorder behaviors and rituals are so normal to you and your friends that you can't even recognise that your little bit of purging is in fact relapse.

Now relapse can be a part of recovery, but as long as you are still purging you are in relapse.

Then I've never recovered b/c I've always been purging some. Just not as much as I was.

What does recovery mean to you then?
You say you don't know anyone who ever has, so you must have a notion of what recovery is to you.

For you to be a candidate for bariatric surgery you have to not purge for 1 year.
I am guessing that is so nothing inside you ruptures from the violence of vomiting?
I don't know but that is my best guess.
You may have been given a different answer when you asked them the reason why.

Go and look at some success stories.
Come to believe it is possible, because it is.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 8:12:49 PM

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Of course she is. If she goes to treatment, all her excuses go away. Her little group of fellow bulemics will abandon her becauce she isn't one of them. She would have to face the reality and responsibilty for her weight instead of continually blaming various health problems.

OP, Your BP is in normal ran ge on the top, good for someone as overweight as you are. Yet, you don't think its low enough. YOU don't know what is normal or not. Your medical knowledge is excessively limited or based on false assumptions.

the 94 is still a bit high for the amount of meds I'm on.

And my friends would support me if I went into the hospital. They would send me cards and care packages...I do the same for them when they go.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/18/2014 8:15:34 PM

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You do realize your not wanting to give up your eating disorder friends is just like the drug addict who wants to quit but doesn't want to give uup all their druggie friends. Just another excuse.

How is it any different than being in treatment around other patients with eating disorders?

Let me see if this makes any sense:
If you have an alcoholic who is in AA and you have an alcoholic who is trying not to drink but hangs out with his fellow alcoholics in a neighborhood bar every night, who do you think is going to relapse first?

When you are in treatment you are in an environment that is focused on recovery.
You said that your group is getting smaller because people have died/are dying due to relapse.
That is not recovery.

You are in relapse.
You are purging.
It may only be once a day, but you are still doing it.
I am guessing that since you don't really know anyone who has recovered from an eating disorder, that you are all in relapse to some degree or other.
Your eating disorder behaviors and rituals are so normal to you and your friends that you can't even recognise that your little bit of purging is in fact relapse.

Now relapse can be a part of recovery, but as long as you are still purging you are in relapse.

Then I've never recovered b/c I've always been purging some. Just not as much as I was.

What does recovery mean to you then?
You say you don't know anyone who ever has, so you must have a notion of what recovery is to you.

For you to be a candidate for bariatric surgery you have to not purge for 1 year.
I am guessing that is so nothing inside you ruptures from the violence of vomiting?
I don't know but that is my best guess.
You may have been given a different answer when you asked them the reason why.

Go and look at some success stories.
Come to believe it is possible, because it is.

I consider myself in recovery when I have a reduction in behaviors.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 4:42:14 AM

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I can understand that definition.
Since you only do it once a day that is a pretty narrow edge you are on:
If you go up to twice a day you are no longer in recovery and if you cut down to less you will be reducing your margin further and increase your risk for relapse.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 5:05:29 AM

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I consider myself in recovery when I have a reduction in behaviors.

That's the same thing I kept telling myself when I didn't want to stop smoking, amazing how we can close our eyes deliberately if we don't want to see things and how we lie to ourselves.

For years I was involved with people who self-harmed (purging is a form of it) and the ones that recovered were the ones who broke the circle, looked for treatment and looked for different friends. If you're depressed and suicidal, hanging around people who think obsessively about suicide is pulling you in. By keeping in touch, you keep a toxic element in your life.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 9:55:50 AM

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I'm a bit disappointed I can't do physical therapy right now. :( Was looking forward to burning extra calories.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 10:30:38 AM

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Saw the neurosurgeon this morning...he says that the surgery caused a fracture and that he can't even see anything in my facet joints that they were supposed to of put in there during surgery. He says I can't do physical therapy for at least 8 weeks to see if it will heal. He prescribed flexeril (sp?) and refills on the hydrocodone. I go back in 8 weeks to see if the fracture is healing and then maybe start PT.

What can you do? Are you on bed rest for 8 weeks? Can you walk? Swim? Cook? Clean? Shop? Stretch?

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 10:38:17 AM

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Saw the neurosurgeon this morning...he says that the surgery caused a fracture and that he can't even see anything in my facet joints that they were supposed to of put in there during surgery. He says I can't do physical therapy for at least 8 weeks to see if it will heal. He prescribed flexeril (sp?) and refills on the hydrocodone. I go back in 8 weeks to see if the fracture is healing and then maybe start PT.

What can you do? Are you on bed rest for 8 weeks? Can you walk? Swim? Cook? Clean? Shop? Stretch?

I was supposed to be doing pool PT but he said that was too dangerous right now...so I don't know. I cook and clean everyday but it's really difficult and I have to sit down and rest every 2-3 minutes b/c the pain gets too intense.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 10:43:05 AM

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I think you should ask him what exactly you can do, especially if you can walk.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 10:48:17 AM

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I think you should ask him what exactly you can do, especially if you can walk.

I can't really walk yet anyways...just getting to the bottom of the stairs of my apartment and I have to sit down and rest for several minutes b/c the pain is too much. I do that at least twice a day though. Go down the stairs, sit and rest...and go back up. It's really pretty pathetic.

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RE: Natural/OTC ways to treat severe pain? - 2/19/2014 11:19:11 AM

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I'm sure one of your docs has recommended this before, but sleeping with your feet raised helps with the edema, also pretty mild herbal teas that are slightly diuretic, there is a tea made from green oats (hence green oat tea) that helps with a lot of different cases of arthritis and is generally a pretty good cleaning agent as it washes you out, you have to steep it for 10 minutes though to get the ingredients out, because it's so cleansing it's excellent for kidneys and ideal for any urinary tract infections, a pretty good but very very mild detox, it also gets rid of uric acid.

Should be available in health food stores, in case you can't find it, shoot me a PM, I usually order it from Germany where it's pretty much the thing people do when they have a urinary tract infection, or gout or arthritis problems, their liver results are a bit off, etc. First thing most docs recommend or actually ask if you've done that, before they prescribe stuff, if you got a PO box or anything, I'll send it to you.

For your skin problem, I checked with a friend of mine who's a dermatologist in Austria, he said you've possibly had the whole lecture about the antiseptic soaps, trying to avoid synthetic clothing, keeping the areas dry and all that already, but you should try to find a store with natural remedies, or even better a bee keeper (cheaper and better quality) and buy yourself some propolis creme, it's a natural antiseptic that should avoid infections, not very expensive, you need very very little of it and it is extremely effective and over the counter...

I didn't think of asking him when we were on the phone, but just explaining what the propolis creme is, I would think that tea tree oil would also work wonders for you?

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