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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 12:05:31 AM   
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Morality defines the personal intrinsic value an action possesses to an individual. Shared values create the illusion of common morality, although there is no practical way to view it as an absolute with the inherent factors to consider.


Tell that to a mob.

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That value is usually filtered in the most basic terms as "good" or "bad", and often results in the assignment of a reaction that is weighed at some level (conscious or unconscious) and found as possessing merit relating to the action in question.


Sounds like theory.

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The reaction does not have to be violent, any more than the value must be viewed as wrong.


Tell that to a mob.

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You don't judge another human being as being bad because you need to define them; you do it to define how you wish to react to the person you are judging.


Good and bad are seriously defining labels so I do not understand where you get this. I briefly read the remainder of what you wrote. My impression is that it is robotic.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 3:00:22 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 3:46:41 AM   
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ETHICS is a pattern of belief a person feels compelled to adhere to.

MORALS is a pattern of belief a person feels other people should be compelled to adhere to.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 5:56:45 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 6:14:34 AM   
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Should Canada engage in gorilla war with the U.S.?

Well Canada may have more gorillas, but we have more shoes overall.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 6:36:16 AM   
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Should Canada engage in gorilla war with the U.S.?

Well Canada may have more gorillas, but we have more shoes overall.

K.





Kirata! You beat me to it. I will, however, comment, anyway:

If Canadia feels that sending simians after us is the way to go, so be it. I think that's a war we can win.

Now, if you're talking about guerilla warfare ("guera" being Spanish for "war"), I don't think that's a good idea.

I keep hoping that one Winter, Canadia will freeze so well that it will break off from the rest of North America.





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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 12:56:48 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 1:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clearly whether Canada should engage in gorilla war with the U.S. is a matter of discernment. It could be argued that their is a moral imperative. For every metric ton of acid rain, the U.S. receives as a gift of one simian and in exchange Canada receives one pair of boots.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 1:09:41 PM   
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Morals - Supposed to be universal laws that all decent people should adhere to. i.e. The ten commandments of Moses are one of the keystones of laws in the U.S. and considered the moral foundation of law.

Ethics - Fundamental principles of a society. Compliance with the laws of your country is an ethical deed. Changing laws found to be unethical could be seen as a moral imperative.

Ethos - Customs of your tribe. What you and your neighbors and friends think is appropriate behavior. (good manners, social graces, etc)

The problem with fanatics is that they think their ethos is a universal moral code.

Following local tribal customs will prevent friction.

And, I agree with R.A.H. that good manners and polite behavior is the grease that keeps the wheels of civilization running smoothly. But that is my tribal ethos and not something universal. <grin>


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 1:29:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Morals often makes its followers feel entitled to wrong doing. Consequently, one must ask is the metaphysical object morality possessed by a devil? It seems evident that it is. Was it not morality that spat on Christ?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 1:39:57 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 1:49:51 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 2:17:39 PM   
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It is what separates us from the Canadian gorillas.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 5:58:08 PM   
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"Depravity is the great mystery of creation." Robert Stone, p373, Damascus Gate

Then, is morality only a charade, "an empty or deceptive pretense?"

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 6:09:18 PM   
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I briefly read the remainder of what you wrote. My impression is that it is robotic.


Your brevity is obvious from your unrelated commentary. You didn't read what I wrote, made numerous replies entirely unrelated to the topic you started or my responses to your initial post, and then somehow found the ability to criticize something you made a point of not educating yourself on. Good jorb, lad. Good jorb.

Rawni had the right idea.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/9/2014 7:48:35 PM   
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Those who spat on Christ, what were they feeling? It was moral outrage.


I don't know about spitting on Christ but I'm reminded of a point a history professor once made about Roman oppression of Christians.

1> The death of convicts in the arena was a common form of punishment for heinous crimes.
2> Romans still had a serious belief in magical manipulation of the universe.
3> One of the most fundamental laws of Rome was to forbid cannibalism.

Now the roman matrons hear about this new cult going around. The hear the stories of the Christ Child in Bethlehem. They hear the words. Then they go to a service and are presented with the Eucharist.

Ermagerd, they are turning wine and bread into human flesh and blood and making us eat it!!!!!

Then hubby gets an earful about the evil Christians who eat babies.

Hubby goes to talk to that Senator he supported in getting elected.

Laws are passed to control these subversive cannibals that are infesting the city.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 3:00:24 AM   
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... you made a point of not educating yourself ...

Rawni had the right idea.


I reread it. It is as I originally described it. It is the sort of description of morality I could pick up in a computer science course on robotics.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 8:32:19 AM   
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What is morality and what good is it?


I'm not sure if I could come up with an all-encompassing definition. It may be just a matter of accepting a certain code of conduct which humans have formulated over thousands of years of philosophizing on the subject. It doesn't mean that everyone actually follows it, and there have been sharp disagreements among humans as to what they think is "moral" vs. "immoral." That may be the main problem, since so many people embrace a set of principles which they considered to be "moral" and "good," yet they don't even follow them.

Perhaps morality is idealized in certain fictional (including mythical) characters whom many people strive to be like, but can never really attain perfection. Even in fiction, there might be certain moral truths which come to light.

As far "what good is it," I would say its primary "good" is as an organizing principle. I think the better organized a society is, the more efficient, it's more conducive towards progress and advancement. I don't think we'll ever come up with a true and final answer to the question of "what is morality," but as long as we can agree on a few core principles, then we can ad lib the rest, which is what we've been doing all along anyway.






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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 9:43:44 AM   
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As far "what good is it," I would say its primary "good" is as an organizing principle. I think the better organized a society is, the more efficient, it's more conducive towards progress and advancement.


Sorry. I am reminded of what they said about Mussolini and running the trains on time

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 12:02:57 PM   
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As far "what good is it," I would say its primary "good" is as an organizing principle. I think the better organized a society is, the more efficient, it's more conducive towards progress and advancement.


Sorry. I am reminded of what they said about Mussolini and running the trains on time


Yes, but that's just yet another example of humans not following their own moral principles.

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