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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 12:12:01 PM   
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Morality is the ability to empathize combined with the willingness and self discipline to behave so as to minimize harm to others.



This is nicely put. I'm trying to think of a logical exception to the above, and can't. Holds up for me…..

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 4:07:12 PM   
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Those who spat on Christ, what were they feeling? It was moral outrage.


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In summary:

ETHICS is a pattern of belief a person feels compelled to adhere to.

MORALS is a pattern of belief a person feels other people should be compelled to adhere to.


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Clearly whether Canada should engage in gorilla war with the U.S. is a matter of discernment. It could be argued that their is a moral imperative. For every metric ton of acid rain, the U.S. receives as a gift of one simian and in exchange Canada receives one pair of boots.


Discernment was my response. Trends and counter-trends. Clearly Christ brought a deemphsis on morality by indicating its limitations and blessed the Church. He brought a different methodology or paradigm. Though as I have pointed out Christ spoke against hypocrisy, he spoke of it as something one must trend against, not as something to abolish.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 4:41:14 PM   
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There does appear to be a relationship between morality and violence.


What may make what I wrote confusing is that there is a customary distinction between sanctioned and unsanctioned violence. If it is sanctioned, it is often concluded that it is not violent that it is instead righteous and full of goodness.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 4:45:21 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 4:50:07 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 4:52:39 PM   
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What is the seat of these feelings of disgust or righteousness? The feelings are usually if not always automatic.


Since they are automatic there is reason to pause and suspend judgement. Why else do we have courts?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 4:59:13 PM   
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... Why else do we have courts?


Those in the know might immediately recognize the flaws in my reasoning and accuse me of being naive. This is certainly the rationale for why we have courts, but the technology is far from perfect. Our understanding how to be moral as a species is flawed. Can't it get better?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:11:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		The religious view "Judeo-Christian" in the absence of Divine intercession is it cannot get better and the temptation to make it better should be avoided since it will do more harm than good. The cards are simply too stacked against it. So instead, we settle for the best that can be done.

There is evidence to support this position.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:19:55 PM   
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There is evidence to support this position.


There is a great deal of evidence in support of this position. It is the sort of thing an atheist could agree on. All an atheist need do is consider the possibility of Divine intercession a hypothetical.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:23:17 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:25:25 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:36:18 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:44:35 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:51:10 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:54:17 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 5:57:08 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 6:01:07 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 6:03:28 PM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 6:07:32 PM   
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and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit,
as it was in the beginning,
is now, and ever shall be,
world without end. Amen.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/10/2014 6:19:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why don't you write a book... beats sitting here and mostly talking to yourself. How can you get the input of others if you ask a question and keep on talking? Seems you just wanted to set the stage so you could announce your thoughts on all of this and belittle or challenge what others had to say.

Kind of why I didn't take you seriously in the first place.

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