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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 8:11:13 AM

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Wasn't quite sure if I would be called the devil, ...

The Devil has many faces. Sometimes he calls himself a Catholic, sometimes he calls himself a Protestant, sometimes he calls himself an atheist, but he is always the Devil.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 8:42:57 AM

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Perhaps not

I do tell it in bits and pieces, here and there, and everywhere. Lets just say, I have learned a few lessons. I sound a bit like Dr. Suess with that line.

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Morality is some good stuff, coming from someone who had a battle with the lack of it.

Sounds like the introduction to a story. Perhaps you would care to share.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 9:05:19 AM

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Perhaps not I do tell it in bits and pieces, here and there, and everywhere. Lets just say, I have learned a few lessons. I sound a bit like Dr. Suess with that line.

I felt that such a response was likely out of a desire for privacy or modesty.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 9:10:28 AM

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Morality is best for everyone else, until you get called out on it.

Then you wish you'd banked some.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 9:14:25 AM

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When morality is defined in terms that are comprehensible and results oriented it is easily perverted. The Jewish question becomes no longer a Jewish question it becomes how do we solve this problem once and for all.

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A better way to put it is that morality is inherently impractical.

In this thread I've pointed out some of the perceived weaknesses of religion, but here I've pointed out a problem with atheism. I've discussed this in the past. This is the problem with atheism. The atheists think the religious are bad, but there is nothing worse than atheists who manage to get into power and think they can do it better.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 9:31:43 AM

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Morality and practicality tend not to mix, but there are places where they tend to be more or less compatible within limits. These are well-known. These are territories the religious defend.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 9:52:00 AM

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I can say overall I came from a good family and I was taught good morals. BUT I HATED THE CHURCH, that really isn't correct, I disliked and was disappointed with the PEOPLE who were claiming to be good Christians, when they treated people badly. JUDGE JUDGE JUDGE. THey did not practice what they preached, and I had little respect for them. THE FAULT of mine which I did not understand at two points in my life was, don't look to the people. During a very long confusing journey, I found I had stepped away from my morals (and the thing that kept me right) Sometimes we wonder why am I so unhappy, and learn, we are practicing things we have made excuses for that were not alright. Hurting people because we hurt. Sometimes it takes great pain before revelation. I quit looking toward the people and looked to where I had no real knowledge to do before. I heard it, but it didn't mean much until I learned a lesson, or many lessons.

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Perhaps not I do tell it in bits and pieces, here and there, and everywhere. Lets just say, I have learned a few lessons. I sound a bit like Dr. Suess with that line.

I felt that such a response was likely out of a desire for privacy or modesty.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 10:06:07 AM

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This is an asinine question, since morality is entirely subjective. Where person 'A' draws the line for what's good and what's bad is not where person 'B' draws it. So what?

We're not robots, we're humans, which means we're imperfect.

Many people have issues with the morality found in church, at school, at the workplace, whereever. Again, so what?

The adult person creates their own moral code to live by. Concerning yourself with why others don't adhere to your code is a futile waste of time.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 10:44:58 AM

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... Sometimes we wonder why am I so unhappy, and learn, we are practicing things we have made excuses for that were not alright. ...

Though such notions are useful what you wrote does contain a vulnerability. Attainment of happiness is a result; hence what you wrote is results oriented. Anything that is results oriented can be easily perverted. I would suggest thinking in terms of meaning and what gives your life meaning as opposed to what makes you happy. What made you unhappy may have been an existential crisis. That seems likely to me. You lost your anchor.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 10:45:04 AM

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It may not have been your intent, but you've just illustrated how subjective the concept of "harm" is. When does the sadist cross that line? When he violates your consent. Hence, the non-aggression principle. Hurting someone is not intrinsically immoral. We do it by accident, in self-defense, or just for fun. But can you think of any instances where initiating coercive force against other human beings (and violating their peaceful free will) is morally defensible?

Yes, I see now, I had misread the non-aggression principle - so I would agree that it seems to come close.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 10:47:58 AM

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... morality is entirely subjective.

It is hard to define.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 11:20:29 AM

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Yes I lost my anchor, was lost at sea. You are right also, I am not very clear at times. I prioritized. Its not always happiness, but there is peace in doing right, whatever ones right may be.

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... Sometimes we wonder why am I so unhappy, and learn, we are practicing things we have made excuses for that were not alright. ...

Though such notions are useful what you wrote does contain a vulnerability. Attainment of happiness is a result; hence what you wrote is results oriented. Anything that is results oriented can be easily perverted. I would suggest thinking in terms of meaning and what gives your life meaning as opposed to what makes you happy. What made you unhappy may have been an existential crisis. That seems likely to me. You lost your anchor.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 4:36:33 PM

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There is a vision I had not long ago. It concerns my authority to speak as a teacher. I had the vision when I addressed the Church. At this time I had concerned myself with some of the passages in the Bible, those words spoken by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount. I was given teaching authority by God. I saw Our Lord Jesus Christ where He gave the sermon. I did not see Him, however. I saw His outline in flame. Not the flame of a fire, but the flame of the sun with its brilliance and color. It was a smile. I did not anticipate that He would give it to me and so it took me by surprise. The Devil no doubt has issued His complaint.

Given the blessing of Our Lord Jesus Christ the path ahead of me is somewhat more clear. I have been hesitant to assume this role in deference.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 4:48:37 PM

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For those who are interested it was on the 18th of February 2014.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 6:26:06 PM

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What is morality and what good is it?

A bit nebulous there bud.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 7:03:13 PM

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What is morality and what good is it?

A bit nebulous there bud.

Yes, as in capable of filling a great volume. It is one of the last great problems.

Some believe computer science holds the answer (it is something of a religion), but it has been a dismal failure. They have been trying, but they don't have a clue.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/13/2014 4:56:31 AM

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There is a vision I had not long ago. It concerns my authority to speak as a teacher. I had the vision when I addressed the Church. At this time I had concerned myself with some of the passages in the Bible, those words spoken by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount. I was given teaching authority by God. I saw Our Lord Jesus Christ where He gave the sermon. I did not see Him, however. I saw His outline in flame. Not the flame of a fire, but the flame of the sun with its brilliance and color. It was a smile. I did not anticipate that He would give it to me and so it took me by surprise. The Devil no doubt has issued His complaint.

Given the blessing of Our Lord Jesus Christ the path ahead of me is somewhat more clear. I have been hesitant to assume this role in deference.

Congrats on your speaking on Feb 18! The bolded area above, could you explain? I am guessing that you may had more trouble then usual after your speech? Anyway thank you for sharing this personal story, I also had a similar experience, but I called it a "glow"

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/13/2014 10:06:11 AM

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... The Devil no doubt has issued His complaint.

... Could you explain? ... Anyway thank you for sharing this personal story, I also had a similar experience, but I called it a "glow"

It is long story at this point some of which I have shared here. Among the shoes I have worn is one of an exorcist. It was not an ambition of mine. It was just one of those things that fell into place. I have been threatened by the Devil and the Devil likes to remind me of the price I have had to pay, twisting the knife.

What I received on the 18th is a big deal because is clears the way for my future work. It no longer places my work in the category of a work of man, but one sanctioned by God. Put another way, it was made Kosher.

It would be accurate to say a glow, but bright enough to have the brilliance of the sun. His hands were outstretch and so by outline I mean a lozenge shaped sun.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/13/2014 10:19:40 AM

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I feared that my work would only serve me and propel me into the Heavens for reasons that are technical and not carry the power of Salvation. God answered my prayer.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/13/2014 10:25:44 AM

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In order to be propelled into the Heavens along with me others needed to be kind to me, but no one was being kind to me, the current spiritual state of man was important. Though it continues to remain important it is now less important. The Church was kind to me. The Church charged to the spell so to speak.

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