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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:13:57 PM

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I have used more than two levels of comprehensive grammar and placed my slang well. I have addressed what you said and given replies directed at the translations I discerned. I am not tossing off fluffy, uninformative quotes in an attempt to prance my prose like the oh so smart person I am.

Take a random academic publication. Everything is spelled correctly, but are they saying anything? What they are saying is I've got to publish something.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:19:21 PM

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This is despite all the safe guards. Consequently, one must ask, what good are they anyway?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:27:15 PM

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I have used more than two levels of comprehensive grammar and placed my slang well. I have addressed what you said and given replies directed at the translations I discerned. I am not tossing off fluffy, uninformative quotes in an attempt to prance my prose like the oh so smart person I am.

Take a random academic publication. Everything is spelled correctly, but are they saying anything? What they are saying is I've got to publish something.

What you are literally saying here is that you go out of your way to read uninformative books.

Is that why you talk like a passive-aggressive housewife with exaggerated notions of intelligence?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:28:04 PM

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That is some fancy talk, BenevolentM.

Is it about the straight and narrow?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:33:42 PM

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This is despite all the safe guards. Consequently, one must ask, what good are they anyway?

When the scent is overpowering, one must not run with the bulls, for fear of slipping and falling to the crap below.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:35:32 PM

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Is that why you talk like a passive-aggressive housewife with exaggerated notions of intelligence?

Call me a hypocrite, but I am something of a feminist. You said what? Do you have a passive-aggressive housewife?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 6:52:15 PM

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Is that why you talk like a passive-aggressive housewife with exaggerated notions of intelligence?

Call me a hypocrite, but I am something of a feminist. You said what? Do you have a passive-aggressive housewife?

Feminism isn't hypocritical, please consult your dictionary; and being something of anything shows a lack of commitment.

What I said was quoted; what you said was a poor attempt at clever thinly veiling the very seething heart of the passive aggression I cited. I used several stereotypical terms to paint an image, which says nothing about what I think of women or marriage really, for that matter. You could impose a meaning...

...oh wait! That's right, that's your thing, that's what you do. Impose. Never mind, it's silly to state the obvious.

(Pay attention to the words being used. There's something there for you. Let's see if you find it.)

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 7:29:10 PM

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It is just that I stand so tall next to you. I am in shock. You are amazingly short.

I do not know what you are talking about.

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Feminism isn't hypocritical, please consult your dictionary; and being something of anything shows a lack of commitment. ...

(Pay attention to the words being used. There's something there for you. ...)

That you are amazingly short?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 8:18:38 PM

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That is some fancy talk, BenevolentM.

Is it about the straight and narrow?

That is a good question. I like to think so. Smarter than the average chatterbox24 I would say you are.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/11/2014 8:25:47 PM

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It is just that I stand so tall next to you. I am in shock. You are amazingly short.

I do not know what you are talking about.

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Feminism isn't hypocritical, please consult your dictionary; and being something of anything shows a lack of commitment. ...

(Pay attention to the words being used. There's something there for you. ...)

That you are amazingly short?

Thank you for proving my points about needing to measure cocks and egocentricity. I'll leave you now to admire yourself as you think you contribute...well, anything.

Since your original point was lost, as well as all subsequent points, there is no more conversation to hold me here.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 12:48:57 AM

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MrBukani brought up something interesting in

Polio, back with a vengeance.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4655381/tm.htm

which helps support the atheist argument. There does appear to be a relationship between religiosity and wilful ignorance.

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"Nigeria and Pakistan are going to be tough. The Pakistan violence is evil," Mr Gates told the AFP news agency. "The truth is the vaccine is to help kids. And spreading rumours and attacking the workers on this... those people don't have justice and truth on their side."

India, which once suffered the most from polio, recently celebrated being three years without a confirmed case. But the disease remains endemic in Afghanistan, Nigeria and Pakistan and there have been new outbreaks in Somalia and Syria. Of the three countries where it is endemic, only Pakistan saw an increase in cases."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bill-gates-violence-in-pakistan-and-nigeria-threatens-plan-to-eradicate-polio-by-2018-9077564.html

What would you do if the life of your child was threatened, by fanatics who don't wanna vaccine their children against diseases?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 3:07:56 AM

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This imposer mantra suggests that there are people who will never be happy. This caused me to think of Freud's book Civilization and Its Discontents.

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The third section of the book addresses a fundamental paradox of civilization: it is a tool we have created to protect ourselves from unhappiness, and yet it is our largest source of unhappiness. People become neurotic because they cannot tolerate the frustration which society imposes in the service of its cultural ideals.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 3:43:58 AM

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Conformity when taken to an extreme is self-defeating because it becomes the conformity game. It rewards those who are shallow and have no principles.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 3:57:10 AM

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... you talk like a passive-aggressive housewife with exaggerated notions of intelligence.

Clearly the words of a devil.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 4:09:19 AM

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Morality is the ability to empathize combined with the willingness and self discipline to behave so as to minimize harm to others.

This is nicely put. I'm trying to think of a logical exception to the above, and can't. Holds up for me…..

It's nicely put, but I don't know that it applies universally. What if they want to be harmed, and you're willing to accommodate? Who can claim omniscience of all variables and calculate least harm?

The closest thing I've found to a Kantian categorical imperative is the non-aggression principle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

I would think harm can have both an objective and a subjective interpretation. I'm a masochist and I like pain. Someone who acts as a sadist to my masochist in a consensual way is not actually harming me (even though it might look like that objectively). Pain does not equal harm in my (masochist) brain. If you're not a masochist pain probably does equal harm. When I play with sadists they are always able to properly calculate the distinction between pain and harm. (I'm careful about who I play with). A sadist who cannot distinguish between pain and harm, or chooses not to distinguish between pain and harm, in my world, would not be acting in a moral way.

It may not have been your intent, but you've just illustrated how subjective the concept of "harm" is. When does the sadist cross that line? When he violates your consent. Hence, the non-aggression principle. Hurting someone is not intrinsically immoral. We do it by accident, in self-defense, or just for fun. But can you think of any instances where initiating coercive force against other human beings (and violating their peaceful free will) is morally defensible?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 4:33:22 AM

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I did some research on imposer. This is what I came up with.

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http://ivarfjeld.com/2013/04/08/the-age-of-false-teachers-and-deception/

Being persecuted for teaching wrong doctrines, will produce crocodile tears. Imposer's might claim to be under attack from Satan, but are basically under the discipline of God.

I wonder if this is a Mormon thing.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 4:37:55 AM

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So it seems I may have pissed off the Mormons and the atheists.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 5:12:55 AM

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Well thank you kind sir.

Wasn't quite sure if I would be called the devil, but I thought Id take my chances.

Morality is some good stuff, coming from someone who had a battle with the lack of it.

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That is some fancy talk, BenevolentM.

Is it about the straight and narrow?

That is a good question. I like to think so. Smarter than the average chatterbox24 I would say you are.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 8:07:30 AM

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Wasn't quite sure if I would be called the devil, ...

The Devil has many faces. Sometimes he calls himself a Catholic, sometimes he calls himself a Protestant, sometimes he calls himself an atheist, but he is always the Devil.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/12/2014 8:10:40 AM

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